Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 484

caltrane74 · #**9661** Posted **Jan 26, 2014, 11:31 PM**

I'm thinking along the same lines as you. The city will likely get one or two towers scrapped which would be the equal of 140 to 150 floors of condos. In turn they may grant 10-15 floors additional height on the remaining towers. All but guaranteeing a new tallest tower for Toronto.

The wait and see game begins....

rbt · #**9662** Posted **Jan 26, 2014, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by DrNest

Not necessarily. Just because one developer has the means to build 90 floors in a tower, doesn't mean to say all will. Equally, doesn't mean to say no others will. But if the Mirvish towers were approved and built at 90 floors, I don't see an influx of other towers built at that height in that locale anytime soon.

Mirvish is really far down the totem pole for developer experience and resources in Toronto.

If Mirvish can do it profitably then a half dozen other companies who do have more resources, experience, and better margins will be putting up their own projects pretty quickly. In 20 years you won't see them unless you're standing directly infront of them.

caltrane74 · #**9663** Posted **Jan 26, 2014, 11:37 PM**

Gotta give Mirvish credit for putting up the tallest tower at the beginning of the boom. Just had the wrong partner in Harry Stimson at 1 King West.

rbt · #**9664** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 12:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Gotta give Mirvish credit for putting up the tallest tower at the beginning of the boom. Just had the wrong partner in Harry Stimson at 1 King West.

Perfect example. It was the tallest residential when completed.

Also, Harry seemed to have the lead for that project. Mirvish appeared to be a fairly silent investor until the last year of construction.

WhipperSnapper · #**9665** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 1:49 AM**

One King West was the tallest condominium when completed. It is a hotel though.

I see the One Yonge podium absorbing more density long before each tower getting a 10 to 15 floor increase.

caltrane74 · #**9666** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 2:02 AM**

I'll settle for a 5 floor increase on each tower....

The podium idea is good too.

Beedok · #**9667** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 2:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by DrNest

I would disagree. I think the three towers in Shanghai work together because they are together screaming "look at me." What also makes them stand out, literally, is the fact that they are so much taller than the buildings around them.

In order for the Mervish towers to asthetically have a similar positive impact on the Toronto skyline, they need to have a noticable height above their surroundings.

To me they all seem to be screaming 'look at me' which just creates a mess. Having one tower here, and another tower their, that works. It's like leader-type personnalities. You have one here, one there, etc. and it gives you working harmony. Stick three of them together and they start fighting over who's in charge and no one gets anywhere.

DrNest · #**9668** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 2:42 AM**

^ I'll respectably agree to disagree. I recognise each has their own tastes and preferences.

Gresto · #**9669** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

I'll settle for a 5 floor increase on each tower....

The podium idea is good too.

I'll "settle" for that too.

uzi · #**9670** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:31 AM**

they should eliminate two towers and add 10 floors to each remaining tower. they should keep the bended towers though.

LeftCoaster · #**9671** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:10 PM**

A new one to add to the list. The first of Brentwood's planned towers was submitted to the city on the 22nd.

This one is coming in at 56 storeys or 183M, so no slouch. It will contain 591 residential units above a 3 storey commercial podium.

https://burnaby.civicweb.net/Documents/DocumentList.aspx?ID=14427

caltrane74 · #**9672** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:23 PM**

Burnaby seems to be a consist performer here on this list, with regards to getting new proposals out there at least. And certainly with good size too!

Chadillaccc · #**9673** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:25 PM**

Atlus is already well under excavation. I think it is actually considered UC. That is the 183 meter one.

LeftCoaster · #**9674** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:28 PM**

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Atlus is already well under excavation. I think it is actually considered UC. That is the 183 meter one.

This is brentwood town centre, across the street from Altus.

Different tower, same intersection. Will be pretty dense when complete!

caltrane74 · #**9675** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:40 PM**

Wow! At the same intersection with the Altus tower..

Crazy density for real.

Chadillaccc · #**9676** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:41 PM**

Oh jesus! I didn't differentiate the wording, sorry about that. Wow though! That will be quite insane! Hopefully the Brentwood Mall towers have a bit more of an innovative design...

LeftCoaster · #**9677** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 7:18 PM**

One can hope, it is a suburban condo though so the price point won't be very high.

Chadillaccc · #**9678** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 7:30 PM**

I would love it if someday, the two main cores of Burnaby (Metrotown and Brentwood) could connect via Willingdon. Metrotown is already sorta connecting with the Edmonds node via the semi-urbanity of Kingsway. Willingdon is completely suburban though. When I lived there, I always envisioned a future skytrain or streetcar line connecting the two. Willingdon does have that large BCIT college campus, so it certainly is a candidate for densification.

vegeta_skyline · #**9679** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 11:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by rbt

If Mirvish builds 90 floor towers at a profit, you better believe the neighbours will start tossing towers with similar massing. OMB will require approvals of other similar height towers. We can't approve just this one group; OMB doesn't have a metric for `this one is pretty`.

Projects have been scooping up much of the available land in the entertainment district, is there really much land/big enough lots left for multiple 900 foot tall projects?
But even if Mirvish gets built as is I doubt it will lead to a slew of 900ft giants there's only so much the market can support.

rbt · #**9680** Posted **Jan 28, 2014, 1:37 AM**

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Projects have been scooping up much of the available land in the entertainment district, is there really much land/big enough lots left for multiple 900 foot tall projects?

With empty lots? No. Anything industrial/office below 10 floors is available for demolition though (subject to OMB's interpretation of preservation rules). It would be a similar ratio to 88 Scott and Chaz old/replacements. The lot bounded by Pearl, Adelaide, Duncan, and Simcoe is one obvious site where you could put up 2 large towers; Duncan to John would be harder to consolidate but doable. The CBC building is another nearby site ready to go in the next 30 years as is the Toronto Hydro site (underground replacement in the basement?) behind 300 Front.

Mirvish towers are 10 to 15 years from completion so 30 years is relatively soon.

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But even if Mirvish gets built as is I doubt it will lead to a slew of 900ft giants there's only so much the market can support.

Mirvish buildings will be around for more than a few years. The market can support hundreds of 900ft buildings given enough time.

The statement was that Mirvish buildings only look good if they are taller than their surroundings. That means they've failed as the surroundings will eventually catch up and pass them.