Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3 - Page 308

SLC Projects · #**6141** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 6:05 PM**

My Brother works at the COB. I ask him about a month ago if there were any rumors. He hasn't heard of any development news. He works for the Web design that used to be on the 26th floor, but has since been move to the West building on North Temple.

scottharding · #**6142** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 7:13 PM**

Here's an article detailing the economic impact of the Outdoor Retailers Convention that starts this week. This article alone should be argument enough for a Conventional Center Hotel. Add in the fact that it's also Sundance this year, which is bigger than ever. I'd love to know what the hotel occupancy rate is during January in SLC.

http://www.visitsaltlake.com/articles/vi...ace-Convention-Center-January-22-25/665/

Bob The Builder · #**6143** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 7:39 PM**

LOL! “Plaid Shirts” said that Salt Lake/Utah “is the HQ's for Zion's Bank and the Mormon Church, as far as known businesses/organizations go”.
I guess you have never heard of:
Overstock.com, Ogio, Ancestry.com, Kennecott/Rio Tinto, Huntsman Corporation, Skullcandy, Nuskin, Xango (I too hate MLMs).

Plus Adobe, eBay and other big names are putting regional offices here.
All of these have are know on a national and international level. Plus you can’t tell me that how big and important or more of a ‘Major City’ a place is base on sports teams, that is just lame argument. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Nashville and Indianapolis are smaller markets and than SLC yet have MLB and NFL teams, so they are more notable because of that? There are other bigger cities that don’t have all or any of those things, so what! The point is that most people here are making is that SLC is growing, and not that is needs to become a Denver or a Vegas. I think we understand what SLC/Utah is.

Orlando · #**6144** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 8:12 PM**

If there were to be any announcements made regarding a new COB or campus, it would probably be announced at conference in April or October. But, that is interesting news. I saw plans long ago for a campus on the vacant parking lot between north and south temple, and 200 and 300 west.

tygr · #**6145** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 8:54 PM**

Plaid Shirts: If professional sports teams are what a makes a city, then Los Angeles is small town because they don't have an NFL team and Green Bay is a major city because they do. Having an NFL team seems to be what many feel is what says a city has "arrived" at major status.

If population only determined locations of professional teams, then Los Angeles (metro) should have twice as many pro teams as Chicago in every league. On the other end, Boise (Ada County) is 1.5X the size of Green Bay (Brown County).

Sports teams don't make or break a city and its small/mid/major status. Most team locations are based on the owner(s) and where they live. If Warren Buffet wanted to own a team, then Omaha would have a team—it's that simple.

Plaid Shirts · #**6146** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 9:07 PM**

Professional sports teams is not one of the things I look at when it comes to 'what makes a city a city'. I was just giving the sports example when referring to Seattle. It was others that thought sports teams help make a city major.

I look at tourism, business HQ's in the city and nearby area, and the airport system.

Some of you say that SLC is similar to Phoenix. They are not even close. PHX is 6th in national population. The have two commercial airports that serve the city (Sky Harbor & Phoenix-Mesa). They also have a huge metro area. A ton more people visit the Phoenix area than the SLC area. Phoenix is way ahead of SLC. That's like comparing apples to oranges.

Along with Denver, Phoenix and Denver are the two cities that headline the mountain states region of the U.S.

RC14 · #**6147** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 10:43 PM**

I have a few thoughts about a COB II.
Usually when I picture it I think of one being built on the site of the North office building directly across North Temple from the COB. However, I was thinking about the two mostly empty blocks dirrectly west of Temple square. Is it possible the church might build an office complex on one of those blocks? It sounds like the church would prefer to have all the offices under one roof but developing on those blocks would allow for growth.

ToysNoiz · #**6148** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 1:15 AM**

I thought you guys would like some ignorance from the Deseret News.....

Don't Force Tax Payer To Building a Convention Center Hotel

"You might think state lawmakers would be a little more careful with the public’s money while the nation is struggling to recover from a recession.

And yet, as Utah’s legislative session is winding to a close, an effort is afoot to give tax credits to anyone who would agree to build a large convention headquarters hotel near the Salt Palace Convention Center in downtown Salt Lake City."

http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deser...e-taxpayers-to-build-a-convention-hotel/

Makid · #**6149** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 4:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

I thought you guys would like some ignorance from the Deseret News.....

Don't Force Tax Payer To Building a Convention Center Hotel

"You might think state lawmakers would be a little more careful with the public’s money while the nation is struggling to recover from a recession.

And yet, as Utah’s legislative session is winding to a close, an effort is afoot to give tax credits to anyone who would agree to build a large convention headquarters hotel near the Salt Palace Convention Center in downtown Salt Lake City."

http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deser...e-taxpayers-to-build-a-convention-hotel/

At least the article is from last session. Hopefully some people are more informed this year and understand what is actually being talked about and not jumping to conclusions.

scottharding · #**6150** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 3:59 PM**

And while Utah does all it can to make itself a destination for conventions, festivals, tourism, and commerce, Old Reliable is always there to pull the choke chain and keep us "peculiar." This just pisses me off.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57429543-78/utah-alcohol-church-liquor.html.csp

Plaid Shirts · #**6151** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by scottharding

And while Utah does all it can to make itself a destination for conventions, festivals, tourism, and commerce, Old Reliable is always there to pull the choke chain and keep us "peculiar." This just pisses me off.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57429543-78/utah-alcohol-church-liquor.html.csp

that pisses me off as well. The Mormon church needs to stop controlling people, and stop deciding what to do for people that are not members of the Mormon church!

The Mormon church needs to let the government run the state. Right now it seems the Mormon church is trying to run Utah. It's annoying as hell!!

scottharding · #**6152** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 4:29 PM**

Therein lies the root of the problem, I think. The State government is (for the most part) just another arm of the LDS church.

DCRes · #**6153** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 4:43 PM**

The streets downtown are bustling this morning with convention goers walking from their hotels to the Salt Palace

DCRes · #**6154** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 4:51 PM**

When i mentioned looking at the number of sports teams a city has as a way to gauge the size of the city the first line of my comment was "It may not be the most scientific method of ranking but it kind of works". I then ended my comment with "Like i said, it's not an exact science, Seattle lost the Sonics, Austin has no teams, but it works."

I wasn't actually making the arguement that having sports teams makes you a more major city or that it should be used to rank cities. I think it was just my way of combining two of my interests, sports and development.

stayinginformed · #**6155** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCRes

The streets downtown are bustling this morning with convention goers walking from their hotels to the Salt Palace

Hopefully they don't get the black lung from the inversion. I am kind of glad the inversion is so bad this year during Sundance and the OR, because it seems state government doesn't want to do much about the inversions for residents, but maybe if the complaints from Sundance/OR get loud enough, something might change.

Deek1978 · #**6156** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 6:08 PM**

What can be done about the inversion? It was here before people were. The Native Americans called these the "Smokey Valleys"... Sure there is a significant portion that is attributed to humankind, and the grayness comes from that as well... but unless GE starts making really big fans, the inversion will be back every year.

On Monday I was up on Traverse Ridge, I took photos of both Salt Lake Valley's inversion and Utah Valley's inversion. Salt Lake's is dingy and gray, Utah Valley's is for the most part white. I imagine 150 years ago the inversions were all white... but still prominent. I wonder if back then they blamed bovine flatulence....

SLC Projects · #**6157** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 6:27 PM**

So what's the latest on the 111 south main/UPAC site and the state street housing development?

Hopefully with the winter outdoor show going on now maybe we will finally learn more about the CCH.

Makid · #**6158** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 7:41 PM**

Last I saw for both 111/UPAC and State St. Housing is that they looked the same as they did last month and that was a couple days ago. Hopefully there is more going on than can be seen from the outside.

I don't think we will hear anything that we don't already know about the CCH during the OR Winter show.

That is because the Legislature doesn't begin session until Monday and OR ends on Saturday. The Legislature is the first step of the process. If they pass the bill, it will go through the County and SL City rather quickly.

That would mean that we may hear of something big during the Summer show, if all goes well. If the legislature doesn't pass the bill, we may start hearing about the alternative funding options a lot more before the Summer show.

jimmycdii · #**6159** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 10:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Deek1978

What can be done about the inversion? It was here before people were. The Native Americans called these the "Smokey Valleys"... Sure there is a significant portion that is attributed to humankind, and the grayness comes from that as well... but unless GE starts making really big fans, the inversion will be back every year.

On Monday I was up on Traverse Ridge, I took photos of both Salt Lake Valley's inversion and Utah Valley's inversion. Salt Lake's is dingy and gray, Utah Valley's is for the most part white. I imagine 150 years ago the inversions were all white... but still prominent. I wonder if back then they blamed bovine flatulence....

Congestion pricing on roads/highways/freeways would be a good start. The air pressure systems creating the inversion have always been here. The pollution, especially in current volumes, has not.

RC14 · #**6160** Posted **Jan 22, 2014, 10:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by jimmycdii

Congestion pricing on roads/highways/freeways would be a good start. The air pressure systems creating the inversion have always been here. The pollution, especially in current volumes, has not.

This cannot be true. There was a time when people use to heat their homes with coal and burn their garbage.
Congestion pricing seems like a good idea but it would be political suicide in the United States. Especially with the current concerns about NSA spying. Many people would be uncomfortable with the government knowing where they are driving at all times.