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Old Posted Jan 18, 2014, 7:46 PM
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Where does the mayor plan to add all of these units? It seems like big development space is dwindling down now that eastern soma and Transbay are mostly entitled and under construction. Mission Bay is also becoming scare in land opportunity, but has height restrictions as well, limiting density. The western soma plan is limited in height by something stupid like 4 stories. Good luck putting anything above 4 stories in the western part of the city. I just can't see it happening without severely gutting the appeals process.
SOMA and Mission Bay still have lots of empty lots or abandoned or underdeveloped areas. Nearly the whole eastern coast of the city -- from Mission Bay to Candlestick -- is empty, blighted, landfill or abandoned industrial/port areas

the older more established western parts of the city could use some improvement, but building there is hard
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2014, 8:11 PM
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This just happened less than 5 minutes ago...the taking down of the NeMa crane!





It was a total of about sixty seconds...luckily I had my phone next to me!
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2014, 9:41 PM
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"Mayor Ed Lee is promising to add 30,000 more housing units to the market within the next six years with at least half accessible to those earning middle incomes or less, as San Francisco’s rents continue to soar and force many to flee to less expensive pastures."
The pipeline already has 50,000 units, as reported just a month ago:

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2013/...ng_pipeline_breaks_the_50000_unit_m.html
     
     
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The pipeline already has 50,000 units, as reported just a month ago:

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2013/...ng_pipeline_breaks_the_50000_unit_m.html
The pipeline just refers to early-stage plans or approvals, not actual projects in the works. Much of the pipeline would take until 2040-50 to build out; Lee's plan is to accelerate that so more of it is built out by 2020
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2014, 10:55 PM
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Crane Taken Down at NEMA, Market & 10th St.

fimiak - nice view from your apartment of the crane being taken down.

Another perspective from my point of view. The 3 guys were standing on the arm of the crane for hours. Scary, dangerous work!

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Old Posted Jan 18, 2014, 11:55 PM
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fimiak - nice view from your apartment of the crane being taken down.

Another perspective from my point of view. The 3 guys were standing on the arm of the crane for hours. Scary, dangerous work!

That does take a lot of steel nerves. On a side note, traffic in the area is a mess, traffic is being diverted onto Market Street.
     
     
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SOMA and Mission Bay still have lots of empty lots or abandoned or underdeveloped areas. Nearly the whole eastern coast of the city -- from Mission Bay to Candlestick -- is empty, blighted, landfill or abandoned industrial/port areas

the older more established western parts of the city could use some improvement, but building there is hard
Potrero Hill NIMBYs have already made it very clear through lawsuits that they don't want density and height along the eastern waterfront, along Mission Bay and Dogpatch.

The huge One Rincon Hill complex, probably the largest residential project in the city, is 700 units. But I don't see any plans for project nearly that size in the works. But that is what is going to take to reach those goals. So with all of the NIMBYism in SF, I don't see how any of this is possible.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2014, 12:31 AM
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Potrero Hill NIMBYs have already made it very clear through lawsuits that they don't want density and height along the eastern waterfront, along Mission Bay and Dogpatch.

The huge One Rincon Hill complex, probably the largest residential project in the city, is 700 units. But I don't see any plans for project nearly that size in the works. But that is what is going to take to reach those goals. So with all of the NIMBYism in SF, I don't see how any of this is possible.
Ava 9th is 400 units, Mission&1st 500 units, NeMa is 750 units, Lumina is 725 units, Transbay Block 6 is 550 units. The Van Ness/Market/Mission intersections alone are probably going to see another 1500 residents from projects on each of the corners, at least five projects so far. I think the city is set to hit 5k easily for the next three-four years. What do they do after the easy spots are filled in, though? There will be more fighting over density in the years to come.

There was someone actively campaigning against growth on the waterfront at Trader Joes today. We need pro-development foot soldiers.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2014, 2:16 AM
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Ava 9th is 400 units, Mission&1st 500 units, NeMa is 750 units, Lumina is 725 units, Transbay Block 6 is 550 units. The Van Ness/Market/Mission intersections alone are probably going to see another 1500 residents from projects on each of the corners, at least five projects so far. I think the city is set to hit 5k easily for the next three-four years. What do they do after the easy spots are filled in, though? There will be more fighting over density in the years to come.

There was someone actively campaigning against growth on the waterfront at Trader Joes today. We need pro-development foot soldiers.
I was referring to plans of development that are not u/c or entitled.

The entire Soma plans needs to be reworked, and towers of 40-50 stories should be the norm. ESPECIALLY 4th st., where a subway is being built!
     
     
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iPhone quality (ie: not that great) photos for some Hayes Valley and Franklin Corridor projects I saw today. I've included a quick reference link for most of them, since the infill projects are less distinctive and memorable than the larger Transbay/Mid-Market projects.

300 IVY

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2013/08/nine_new_hayes_valley_condos_for_under_360k_a_piece.html

I was walking along Ivy Street, the small one-way street parallel to Grove and Hayes, and for the first time saw the nearing completion townhouse component of the large 300 Ivy condo development, which is at the corner of Hayes and Grove. Thought they were very well done, and attractively scaled for the alleyway.

In rough order, an overview, parking entrance, and pedestrian experience detail.


300 Ivy Alley View by jamessteele3, on Flickr


300 Ivy Garage by jamessteele3, on Flickr


300 Ivy Details by jamessteele3, on Flickr

450 HAYES AND 350 LINDEN

http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2013/07/09/contemporary_condos_planned_for_heart_of_hayes_valley.php
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2013/08/20/350_linden_off_the_ground_in_hayes_valley.php

Took a faraway picture of 350 Linden rising off of Ivy, viewed through the future site of 450 Hayes. If the back of 450 Hayes is pleasant on Ivy Street, 300 Grove and 450 Hayes will make this alley exceptionally attractive, alongside the highly regarded and intimate new wine bar, Fig and Thistle.


Hayes St Condo by jamessteele3, on Flickr

400 GROVE/PARCEL H

http://sf.curbed.com/tags/400-grove

Some early work on this former parking lot, which is one of my favorite infill designs of any SF neighborhood. Very excited to watch this one closer.


400 Grove by jamessteele3, on Flickr


400 Grove by jamessteele3, on Flickr

CATHEDRAL HILL HOTEL DEMOLITION

Taken from a car, the rarely seen Franklin Street view of the demolition.


Cathedral Hill Demolition by jamessteele3, on Flickr

1450 FRANKLIN

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2013/...ranklin_13_stories_and_69_condos_on.html

Could not see the progress here, but at the least it seems to be fully demolished and signage is present.


IMG_0781 by jamessteele3, on Flickr
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2014, 7:51 PM
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^^^^^

#6 and #7 sound great, everything else is utter bullshit IMO.

1-5 will do absolutely nothing to "solve" anything, as usual they will simply enable many people who have no business living in SF to stay here because the all-powerful "City" has deemed they are sacred cows.

Of course everyone else will pay more as a result but who cares as long as the mayor and BOS can pat themselves on the back over how "compassionate" they are.
First off, who are you to say who has business living here or not? I'm a pretty poor person, and could potentially benefit benefit from 15,000 new affordable units, protections from evictions and protections on rent control, as could hundreds of thousands of other SF residents. Yet according to you, I don't belong here, in the city I was born and raised in, just because I don't have enough money to pay rent in a market-rate unit with these current ridiculous housing prices. Those people who you say have no business being here (the middle and lower classes, which is what 1-5 are aimed at) make up most of SF's population, and contribute greatly to one of the big things that most people love about SF: diversity. Who wants an economically homogeneous SF? Who wants an SF where most non-wealthy people have been priced out, where artists have been priced out, where most immigrants have been priced out? Not many people I've encountered. I realize this is a capitalist economy, but is it really a good thing to advocate pushing out an entire population and alter the face of a city just because a bunch of transplants are capable of paying--and willing to pay--ridiculously high rents?

Of course just building affordable housing and protecting rent control would not solve anything (and rent control does screw with the market, so maybe it could be modified so that only those who actually need it get it?), and building a ton of market-rate housing and removing restrictions on development is the real thing that will help meet demand and maybe bring prices down for everyone...and most of the 50,000 or so units in the pipeline/the 30,000 Ed Lee is talking about will be market-rate. But it's not like helping the disadvantaged out at the same time is a useless or bad thing to do. In fact, I think it's a very important thing to make it clear that the city is worried about the future of the city's poor and middle class (AKA most of its residents), if we want to be able to allow sufficient market-rate development in the future.

When selling this plan to the people of SF, I think it's definitely smart to give extra attention to anything related to affordable housing, as the key to getting the city's widespread support for increased development at the required scale (increased height limits, a lot more highrises) is to show the non-wealthy majority of this city that they're not being ignored. A lot of residents see the large amount of highly expensive market rate stuff going up currently, and think "where's the stuff I can afford?" They think prices like that are how it might be forever with increased development, because they don't realize how supply and demand works. So we build a lot of affordable stuff, and even more market rate stuff, and everyone is happy. If we neglect to build sufficient affordable stuff and protect rent-controlled units (which house a huge amount of SF residents who could not afford the city otherwise) along with building tons of market rate stuff, It also gives the wealthy NIMBY commanders of SF more propaganda to throw at un-informed people: "nothing is affordable! Stop all new development now! Save SF!" ...which is a tactic that's has been proven to work, as 8 Washington showed us.

The people worried about views and traffic and such will always complain, but we can at least get a lot of those NIMBYs simply worried about affordability to get on board the development train if we prove that things are getting built for the poor/middle class as well as the wealthy. And of course, once enough market rate stuff goes up, market rate rents will drop. SF will still be relatively expensive, as it always has and will be, but will be more affordable for all.

So I see all the affordability-related stuff in that plan as not just important for poor residents of SF, but also as an important political move on the city's part, that could possibly kill some NIMBYism and end up benefiting all residents in the city, rich, poor, and middle class alike, by opening up the door for more housing development, taller height limits which leads to more units per development, etc. We should probably clamp down on all the air BnB style tourist rentals too, which have apparently taken thousands of units off the market.
     
     
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@tech12:

Neither you nor I have a "right" to say who can live here or not, which is why the only fair system is to let the free market decide, not an activist BOS with a "progressive" agenda and a ridiculous lottery for a handful of under-priced units.

I bought property here at a MARKET rate through hard work, sacrifice and wise life choices.

You, on the other hand, seem to think the rest of the world owes you a subsidy because you want to live in SF. You are the one who posted a lengthy tirade in which you essentially play God and dictate to the rest of us how The City According To Tech12 ought to be, including everything from your own personally biased vision of diversity to "clamping down" on air BnB!

Wow, entitled much?
     
     
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@ Tech12:

Amen sista'! I'm one of the "richies" that moved here just over 12 months ago and pay market rate for an apartment, but I agree with you. I don't want to have to afford $2400/mo AVG rent for a studio in this city. That is absolutely ridiculous, especially for what you get for that. As long as we're at least trying to keep up with demand, i.e. building more, then I'll carry on not complaining about my own rent. However, in order to build in SF, one needs to make sure that everyone is appeased. View NIMBY's (though I'd love to see the city stick it to the Four Seasons residents and approve a 600'+ tower for Millennium there). Poor/middle class. Hippies. And political activists of other denominations.

If everyone is happy or at least "content" with all the building going on, then there will be less complaining and more getting built.

When I first moved here, obviously knowing what I was paying and what it was I was paying for in a RENT-CONTROLLED apt no less, I found a 36th Fl junior 1 BR in the Trump Tower Chicago (~700-750 SF) for rent for less. OK?!?!?!
     
     
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What is the glass building going up behind (that is, south) el Twitter?
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^^^More Twitter. LoL

Twitter is rumored to be committing to nearly the entire office portion of the building, or roughly 321,000 additional SF. I've heard several figures thrown around, but all-in, they will be well north of 600,000 SF between the two adjacent buildings, which total to 1,075,000 RSF of office space.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-02/twitter-said-to-be-in-talks-for-san-francisco-office.html

The whole complex is marketed as Market Square, though the glass building is technically 1 Tenth St and the olf furniture mart is technically 1355 Market.

http://marketsquaresf.com/specs.html
     
     
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2175 Market St. @ 15th Street

When I left Whole Foods ($91 for 1 bag of groceries - and no wine - I don't think Safeway will be affected much by the new market across the street) at Market & Dolores Sts. I was surprised as how much of the skyline 2175 Market St. dominates. Being up a hill makes a big impression!

(Picture of building at Socket Site: http://socketsite.com/archives/2012/05/from_76_station_to_88_apartments_at_2175_market_street.html)

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Thanks for the pictures Jerry of San Fran and JWS!

JWS - Here is a new rendering of the project you captured at 1450 Franklin:

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@tech12:

Neither you nor I have a "right" to say who can live here or not, which is why the only fair system is to let the free market decide, not an activist BOS with a "progressive" agenda and a ridiculous lottery for a handful of under-priced units.

I bought property here at a MARKET rate through hard work, sacrifice and wise life choices.

You, on the other hand, seem to think the rest of the world owes you a subsidy because you want to live in SF. You are the one who posted a lengthy tirade in which you essentially play God and dictate to the rest of us how The City According To Tech12 ought to be, including everything from your own personally biased vision of diversity to "clamping down" on air BnB!

Wow, entitled much?
this is inconsistent with the values of san francisco, one of the first of which is that the incumbent city dwellers have always determined the type of city in which they wish to live. this "the market decides" has never been how it has worked in san francisco.
     
     
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this is inconsistent with the values of san francisco, one of the first of which is that the incumbent city dwellers have always determined the type of city in which they wish to live. this "the market decides" has never been how it has worked in san francisco.
so SF values = allowing ppl who are 40+ who have lived in SF for over a decade to build up wealth and buy property while paying 1k/month on a 2bd apt while shutting out (younger) newcomers by forcing them to pay 3k for a studio...gotcha
     
     
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