Cambie Corridor Updates - Page 16

Vin · #**301** Posted **Dec 27, 2013, 11:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

It's not bad a smuch as boring. Cambie is the city's grandest boulevard and deserves better. This looks no better than Bluetree's Main Street which I posted.

Prelude (which is concrete) at 48th is at least a bit more interesting. The city really dropped the ball with the whole Cambie redvelopment. The boulevard deserves more monumental archutecture, not the usual boring dross we get everywhere in Metro.

Right on

officedweller · #**302** Posted **Dec 27, 2013, 11:46 PM**

I think Elizabeth looks okay - remember the area it's going up in is conservative and the buyers will be too.
It's symmetrical and its size gives it a presence that the one on Main doesn't have.
It's also not biege.

http://www.buzzbuzzhome.com/elizabeth-by-mosaic

There's an uglier one proposed for 33rd and Cambie.

Vin · #**303** Posted **Dec 28, 2013, 7:41 AM**

It is boring and looks cheap, and just ok is not good enough, especially since it's named after the Queen of Canada.

A regal-looking concrete building would be more suitable.

squeezied · #**304** Posted **Dec 31, 2013, 3:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

I already got one, thanks for the offer tho.
Expensive? That's what the forestry industry tries hard to make you believe. In the long run, wood frame buildings are way more expensive, especially in wet BC. For the prices they are charging these days, condos at such a beautiful boulevard ought to be built in concrete.

I thought you mentioned you lived in a concrete highrise, not a lowrise.

Just how often do you see concrete lowrises? You have to be a bit more realistic with the market. There aren't a lot of buyers who would pay a premium for brand new concrete lowrise unit.

whatnext · #**305** Posted **Dec 31, 2013, 7:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by squeezied

I thought you mentioned you lived in a concrete highrise, not a lowrise.

Just how often do you see concrete lowrises? You have to be a bit more realistic with the market. There aren't a lot of buyers who would pay a premium for brand new concrete lowrise unit.

As I mentioned, Prelude at 48th is concrete and Empire at QE Park (29th-33rd) will be as well, so its not unusual. None of these projects are going to be "affordable" so you might as well pay a bit more for the concrete ones.

Vin · #**306** Posted **Dec 31, 2013, 9:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by squeezied

I thought you mentioned you lived in a concrete highrise, not a lowrise.

Just how often do you see concrete lowrises? You have to be a bit more realistic with the market. There aren't a lot of buyers who would pay a premium for brand new concrete lowrise unit.

I did live in a downtown low rise concrete condo before, and my studio suite cost the same as any other woodframe suite of a similar size.

Concrete lowrises will become more popular if more people here start realizing how much better they are compared to a woodframe. As far as I know, the price of a concrete suite is not a lot more expensive than a wood frame one in the Lower Mainland, even though most people actually believe that wood frame homes are a lot cheaper to build.

Again I see no reason why Cambie can't be all concrete.

phesto · #**307** Posted **Dec 31, 2013, 4:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

I did live in a downtown low rise concrete condo before, and my studio suite cost the same as any other woodframe suite of a similar size.

Concrete lowrises will become more popular if more people here start realizing how much better they are compared to a woodframe. As far as I know, the price of a concrete suite is not a lot more expensive than a wood frame one in the Lower Mainland, even though most people actually believe that wood frame homes are a lot cheaper to build.

Again I see no reason why Cambie can't be all concrete.

If it's 6-storeys, you'll find most of the developments along Cambie are concrete. If it's 4-5 storeys, it will be typically be woodframe. It simply boils down to cost and revenue. Generally, concrete is ~$230/SF to build, whereas a 4-5 storey woodframe building is $175/SF, and woodframe is usually built much faster as well. 6-storey woodframe is largely unproven still and typically costs more.

In areas of high demand and high prices like the Westside of Vancouver, the sale price for a woodframe unit is not much different than a concrete unit and this simply provides an incentive to the developer to try and build cheaper woodframe wherever possible. Your point simply serves to reinforce why developers build woodframe.

Thankfully the City is allowing just enough density along the Cambie Corridor to result in 6-storey buildings that will mostly be concrete. Along with Empire at QE Park, most of the rezonings in the queue along Cambie are concrete.

Elizabeth should look quite good for a woodframe building; Mosaic has a good track record.

squeezied · #**308** Posted **Jan 4, 2014, 4:02 AM**

Revised rezoning application for 4139-1487 Cambie (corner of Cambie and 26th Ave)

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/4139-4187cambie/index.htm

I have to say this has improved dramatically from the previous design.

officedweller · #**309** Posted **Jan 4, 2014, 7:00 AM**

Yup, looks better (not spectacular, but better):

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http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/4139-4187cambie/index.htm

Vin · #**310** Posted **Jan 5, 2014, 8:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by phesto

If it's 6-storeys, you'll find most of the developments along Cambie are concrete. If it's 4-5 storeys, it will be typically be woodframe. It simply boils down to cost and revenue. Generally, concrete is ~$230/SF to build, whereas a 4-5 storey woodframe building is $175/SF, and woodframe is usually built much faster as well. 6-storey woodframe is largely unproven still and typically costs more.

In areas of high demand and high prices like the Westside of Vancouver, the sale price for a woodframe unit is not much different than a concrete unit and this simply provides an incentive to the developer to try and build cheaper woodframe wherever possible. Your point simply serves to reinforce why developers build woodframe.

Thankfully the City is allowing just enough density along the Cambie Corridor to result in 6-storey buildings that will mostly be concrete. Along with Empire at QE Park, most of the rezonings in the queue along Cambie are concrete.

Elizabeth should look quite good for a woodframe building; Mosaic has a good track record.

Thanks for the insight. Glad to hear that most of the developments are going to be concrete.

squeezied · #**311** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 6:22 AM**

Another building proposed along Cambie. This is at Cambie and 35th. Unfortunately I think this one of the worst buildings proposed along Cambie. There's way too much blank walls.

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/5129-5169cambie/index.htm

squeezied · #**312** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 6:29 AM**

Proposal at King Edward and Ash:http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/587-599wkingedward/index.htm

Proposal consists of townhomes and THE HOBBIT HOUSE! Yes, it`s being saved. Quite pleased about that.

officedweller · #**313** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 8:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by squeezied

Another building proposed along Cambie. This is at Cambie and 35th. Unfortunately I think this one of the worst buildings proposed along Cambie. There's way too much blank walls.

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/5129-5169cambie/index.htm

That IS an ugly one.

LeftCoaster · #**314** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 3:45 PM**

Wow that looks awful. Hopefully it gets some good direction at the UDP.

s211 · #**315** Posted **Jan 21, 2014, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by squeezied

Another building proposed along Cambie. This is at Cambie and 35th. Unfortunately I think this one of the worst buildings proposed along Cambie. There's way too much blank walls.

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/5129-5169cambie/index.htm

Usually one would have to go to Alberta to see something that wrong. That would fit in nicely with the disposable suburban product one sees there.

Klazu · #**316** Posted **Jan 25, 2014, 6:10 AM**

Can't remember if this Pearson Dogwood site plan has been posted before in this exact setup.

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/01/20/pearson-dogwood-site-takes-next-step-forward/

jlousa · #**317** Posted **Jan 25, 2014, 6:44 AM**

Thanks for the post, I had seen it before but not sure if it had been shared here. It shows though just how dense ~2.8FSR can be.

LeftCoaster · #**318** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Thanks for the post, I had seen it before but not sure if it had been shared here. It shows though just how dense ~2.8FSR can be.

Ya, not dense enough!

deasine · #**319** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 7:23 PM**

Does anyone know what will happen to the existing YMCA near Langara then?

Vancity · #**320** Posted **Jan 27, 2014, 8:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Can't remember if this Pearson Dogwood site plan has been posted before in this exact setup.

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2014/01/20/pearson-dogwood-site-takes-next-step-forward/

interesting project. hope they go through! and the transit station there needs to be built if this goes through. sweet.