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Old Posted Jan 15, 2014, 6:32 AM
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Does anyone else feel like they're running out of time with this project? I mean, the PanAm games are coming up fairly soon, and the time it'll take to either restore these buildings or build something new far outshines that deadline. I have a feeling they're waiting for them to fall down.

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Yeah nothing's getting done in time for the PanAm games. I'm a member of the downtown BIA and I think it is a bit farcical that we and the city are doing programming right in front of what basically looks like a war zone. I am glad things are happening there, as I've always felt that Gore Park has been underutilized, but now having a street festival right beside it isn't great optics.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2014, 2:21 PM
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They won't fall down unless someone pushes them. Even open to the weather they won't fall down. The game he's playing now is to make them as ugly as possible in the hopes that the public will cry for the city to "do something" (i.e. demolish)

I agree this is all about extracting as much money as possible from the city.

I'm sick of his crybaby whining. Don't like it? Sell them. There are plenty of people willing to do proper renovations on these buildings.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2014, 3:10 PM
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Yes I hope that peoples anger gets directed at the developer this time instead of the city. I hope it's finally the right time for the city to make an example of a downtown developer (who better than one from the old guard!). I know many of you think that could destroy any fragile resurgence in the core but we need to step up and back up our standards. If not this situation will repeat itself ad infinitum.

The fact that he has a mixed record in the past and just finished a scuffle with the city over the building on Jackson street says to me that this, if played right, could have enough public traction to look like a political victory for whoever spearheads action to end this stalemate (without just throwing taxpayer money at it).

I hope the city goes through with the heritage designation. Therefore cancelling his plan. Well I guess his only plan is demolition at the moment. So cancels the demolition and then he is forced to sell or play by the new rules.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2014, 3:35 PM
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Perhaps there is a new guard taking over. Check out the comments from the developer on Main Street:
http://raisethehammer.org/article/20...y_for_50_years
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He'd like to see a major clean-up of the core for the 2015 Junos and Pan Am Games. And one more boost - two-way traffic on Main Street, past both his properties. "I think it would bring more business and more things to do."
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2014, 3:38 PM
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...cue bigguy and barbera playing their blanchard apologist violins....
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2014, 3:55 PM
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I've gone through all the discussion here - I've been lurking for a few months, but I am growing quite fond of Hamilton and just wanted to ask a couple questions about this proposal.

Does the City of Hamilton's zoning system off incentives for heritage preservation? I know here in Calgary we do...

I don't have a problem with the high rise component but given the number of historic buildings in the DT core - I'd want to see them preserved. Surely there is a way to incorporate them (and not just as facades)?
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Does the City of Hamilton's zoning system off incentives for heritage preservation? I know here in Calgary we do...

I don't have a problem with the high rise component but given the number of historic buildings in the DT core - I'd want to see them preserved. Surely there is a way to incorporate them (and not just as facades)?
A number of municipal grant and loan programs exist; a summary of them can be found here. But aside from that I don't think the city has been creative with other types of incentives (don't quote me on that though ). There is a heritage committee. The process of designating heritage properties has been glacial - nothing designated since 2008, and there is a backlog. The city doesn't really know what it has either and is undertaking a study for the downtown - there's a Spectator story about the issue here and articles on various other websites that discuss Hamilton issues. There are heritage buildings all over the city too, especially in the older towns of Ancaster and Dundas.

I agree, there are probably lots of ways those buildings could be renovated and incorporated into a new development. But this particular developer is taking a very blunt and hardball position, probably because they're trying to wring the most cash they can out of the government.

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Developer pushes back on city order to maintain Gore Park facades

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/44...-park-facades/

Developer David Blanchard is appealing property standards orders against five buildings facing Gore Park he wants to tear down.

The orders relate to the maintenance of the facades — now under a heritage designation — and the removal of a barricade around the site. They were issued in January.

In an interview Thursday, Blanchard said he is appealing the orders and carrying through with fighting the heritage designation, imposed by city council in December.

He's had a demolition permit on the properties since January 2013.

"We can't afford to keep the fronts of those buildings," he said, saying it would cost $2 million to preserve them.

Under property standards legislation, owners can appeal if they disagree with the orders or need more time to comply.

The appeal will go to the property standards appeal committee in May, says Councillor Jason Farr.

Blanchard "has every right to make an appeal," Farr added.

Blanchard, managing director of a consortium that owns the buildings at 18-28 King St. E., said the plan is for a two-phase development on the site. The first would be a "small building" at the front of the property for about 20 condos and 5,000 square feet of commercial space.

Phase 2 would be a bigger, as-yet undetermined, mixed use development.

"We need to deal with this heritage issue and get it over with."

The buildings date back to the 1840s.

Farr is disappointed by the heritage appeal, saying he had many meetings with the property owners trying to come to a compromise that would save the brick facades, save the Gore Park "street wall" and provide more than $1 million in city heritage incentives.

The meetings were always amicable, says Farr, but no plans were brought forward that incorporated the facades in a development plan. He says the proof is clear that condos with preserved heritage features are in bigger demand and fetch higher prices.

"I don't think the owners were interested in doing anything, but taking them down. What we'll be left with is a gaping hole and another path of asphalt."

Hamilton municipal heritage committee chair Alyssa Denham-Robinson says the committee wants to see the facades saved, but the developer has a right to appeal the designation.

"All the evidence will work itself out. The process is being followed," she said.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 12:54 AM
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I'm glad to see that Farr "gets it" and is willing to fight for heritage in the Core.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 1:07 AM
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Jason Farr has been nailing it lately. I'm really impressed with this and his support for the bike lanes.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 7:39 AM
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At this point I'd be happy if they did anything to them. I'd be sad if the buildings fell, but if there was a solid plan in place to build something there that was equally as substantial a part of the streewall as what is there now, I'd be happy. Anything looks better than 4 ratty abandoned buildings with their fronts completely torn off. Not really helping downtown's image.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 10:07 AM
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Problem is, there IS no solid plan. What's there now is still better than a gigantic empty field or a parking lot. Blanchard has made it clear that there is no solid timelines, financing or even a plan. The only plan is to knock the buildings over.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 8:29 PM
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Problem is, there IS no solid plan. What's there now is still better than a gigantic empty field or a parking lot. Blanchard has made it clear that there is no solid timelines, financing or even a plan. The only plan is to knock the buildings over.
That's just it. There could be an empty hole on the Gore for a decade. The city needs to force Blanchard to meet the regulations and if he can't afford to he should sell. I know he's had offers.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2014, 12:10 AM
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The city needs to force Blanchard to meet the regulations and if he can't afford to he should sell.
You're right. And it's bizarre that we are even having this conversation. I'm happy to see that some members of council get it, but that anyone doesn't is nutty.

These are heritage buildings, 170 years old or more. They are not replaceable. If the owner were to tear them down and build something of similar scale (which he has no real plans to do), it would still not contribute the same value that these buildings do.
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I really hope he isn't going to let them sit and collapse (like we've seen so many times before).
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Well they won't collapse. His game now is to make them as ugly as possible without triggering fines, so that the uninformed passers by will start murmuring "tear those eyesores down" - all in the hopes that public opinion will sway toward demolition so that he can try to sell the land to some mystery developer swooping in from another city.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2014, 9:38 PM
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The City owns the sidewalk around the buildings where the fencing stands. They should put up signs advertising and informing citizens on the new heritage protection measures and what the city is doing to protect heritage buildings. These could include before and after pictures of other successful adaptive reuse projects and conceptual drawings of the buildings that are standing. This would be a very low cost measure to improve the optics of the situation.
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^The City won't do that but I know lots of downtown residents who might. It's a good idea.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2014, 12:46 AM
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^The City won't do that but I know lots of downtown residents who might. It's a good idea.
Jon Dalton's idea should be tweeted! How to get it into 140 chars?
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I had a similar thought, but mine was to have a photo of blanchard's head with a description of what he's done and what he refuses to do... i guess i'm more negative
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