Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 475

caltrane74 · #**9481** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Too many towers crammed on a common podium. Yeah, doesn't do it for me. My ideal would be one or fewer towers, separate bases and one topping 300+ metres. Oh maybe not. The height just look ridiculous compared to Pinnacle Centre and 18 Yonge.

Yeah, but not so ridiculous when compared to L Tower, Harbour Plaza, 60 Harbour, as well as 45 Bay which will be right next to 18 Yonge

45 Bay is currently in an international design competition, and could also break the 1000 foot/300 meter mark. Apparently design proposals have already been submitted to the developer of that site as well, although we are not likely to see anything moving forward for the next decade. Especially with all the space coming on-stream shortly.

craner · #**9482** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 2:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Too many towers crammed on a common podium. Yeah, doesn't do it for me. My ideal would be one or fewer towers, separate bases and one topping 300+ metres.

I agree.
My problem with this proposal is too many towers crammed on the site all of which are similar height.
Go with fewer towers, one supertall, and stagger the heights more.

Exciting times regardless.

uzi · #**9483** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 3:00 AM**

I wish we had something like this in Canada.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELNJRJMK-Q

WhipperSnapper · #**9484** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 4:05 AM**

I don't quite get the connection between a fountain and 50 tallest proposal thread.

Chadillaccc · #**9485** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 4:38 AM**

Me either, but holy crap that is amazing. Couldn't take my eyes off it. Thanks for posting!

O-tacular · #**9486** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 5:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

The Imperial Oil site was just sold. There's been a lot of hopes and dreams attached to this site in the decade I've been on the forum but, nothing to be even considered a rumour has emerged. It is one of the few sities large enough to support a new tallest within the shadowing bylaw and the maximum allowable densities in the core.

I remember Gateway being three massive eliptical towers on the west end of the downtown area from five years go. Everything about it suggested it would never amount to more than the renderings.

That is not at all the rumour circulating about Gateway. I think you're confusing a fantasy architecture school rendering posted a few years back. From what I heard Gateway is quite a serious proposal and is being designed by The same firm which designed a recent signature tower in the city.

RyeJay · #**9487** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 5:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

I am not opposed to number of towers in this cluster, even though the height seems excessive.......I'm just so confused about why Toronto insists on more of the same...

Blue or green glass.
More blue or green glass.
ALWAYS blue or green glass.

Why is Toronto not getting a diversity in building materials used -- a diveristy in colour?

Are developers required to use blue or green glass?!

RyeJay · #**9488** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 5:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by craner

I agree.
My problem with this proposal is too many towers crammed on the site all of which are similar height.
Go with fewer towers, one supertall, and stagger the heights more.

Exciting times regardless.

Why would anyone desire to have supertalls beside the waterfront?

uzi · #**9489** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 6:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I don't quite get the connection between a fountain and 50 tallest proposal thread.

the connection is that if they build this fountain with any of these 50 tallest proposals, it will b cool, because I don't think so that Canada have one.

craner · #**9490** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 6:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by RyeJay

Why would anyone desire to have supertalls beside the waterfront?

I can think of a few on here that would.

TallBob · #**9491** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 8:12 AM**

Beautiful buidings! Think there's one or two too many towers though. Reminds of the Wolf Point proposal in Chicago.... a little resemblence. These are much better though.

DrNest · #**9492** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 12:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by RyeJay

Why would anyone desire to have supertalls beside the waterfront?

I'm one of the ones on here that would. That area around Yonge, Bay, Simcoe is a hive of construction activity, with so much density going up it would seem logical to put a supertall tower amongst it. It would also make the tower very prominent viewed from the islands and east.

The question I would thus ask is why not?

WhipperSnapper · #**9493** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 2:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by RyeJay

I am not opposed to number of towers in this cluster, even though the height seems excessive.......I'm just so confused about why Toronto insists on more of the same...

Blue or green glass.
More blue or green glass.
ALWAYS blue or green glass.

Why is Toronto not getting a diversity in building materials used -- a diveristy in colour?

Are developers required to use blue or green glass?!

Why not? You are grossly mistaken if you think the glass towers on the waterfront represents what is being developed thoughout the city. Some parts of the city are filled with PoMo historical towers. Colour is overplayed too. There's a fair amount being incorporated here. It just gets beat up by the sun or caked in polution.

WhipperSnapper · #**9494** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 2:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by uzi

the connection is that if they build this fountain with any of these 50 tallest proposals, it will b cool, because I don't think so that Canada have one.

The 50 tallest are being developed in urban settings. I rather not have one incoporate a multi acre pond because it cool or one doesn't exist in Canada. Some ideas are best left to tourist cities such as Dubai, Vegas and, Niagara Falls.

RyeJay · #**9495** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 3:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by DrNest

I'm one of the ones on here that would. That area around Yonge, Bay, Simcoe is a hive of construction activity, with so much density going up it would seem logical to put a supertall tower amongst it. It would also make the tower very prominent viewed from the islands and east.

Where is the logic in that? Since there is construction occurring...there should be density to any degree?

Consideration of the midrises along Queens' Quay and East Bayfront is part of what I'm trying to convey. Even if you ignore the lower-density projects, absolutely none of the highrises in the area along the Gardiner approach the supertall height of 1 Yonge.

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Originally Posted by DrNest

The question I would thus ask is why not?

There is value, socially, environmentally, and economically, in retaining the human scale of the waterfront where cities should be promoting public use. Relative to the buildings that have been constructed along the lake and the new ones that are going up (which are midrises), these "supertalls" are off the chart by comparison and block out much of the downtown from pedestrians. Waterfront activities become more claustrophobic.

These towers are very jarring -- when that effect has been previously expressed by the CN tower. It would be more appealling if this proposal contributed to the slope of building heights from waterfront to CBD, instead of creating it's own cliff, crowding the waterfront with density similar to the CBD.

RyeJay · #**9496** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Why not? You are grossly mistaken if you think the glass towers on the waterfront represents what is being developed thoughout the city. Some parts of the city are filled with PoMo historical towers. Colour is overplayed too. There's a fair amount being incorporated here. It just gets beat up by the sun or caked in polution.

We may address both the overplay and underplay of colour in Toronto.

caltrane74 · #**9497** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 3:16 PM**

None of the Towers YET MATCH, 1 Yonge's proposed height.

Don't forget the Daniels Project for the Government Night Club, 45 Bay, Harbourplaza, 60 York which when all is said in done, will balance out or even exceed the height (45 Bay/60 York) of 1 Yonge.

The first glass block to the left, I'm assuming that's daniels project

And then the new towers on the right, which are YET TO COME, OR ARE ON THE WAY. (not pictured in this rendering)

WhipperSnapper · #**9498** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 3:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by RyeJay

We may address both the overplay and underplay of colour in Toronto.

I do like colour but, I'm not going to deny quality over the lack of it.Too often junk gets a passing grade because of it being different. A gold, red, whatever colour tower plopped in among the sea of grey to green to blue and back to black to would just look clownish. Likewise, a rainbow of buildings. These aren't class AAA clad in imported stone. It would be closer to Sheikh Zayad Road.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**9499** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

None of the Towers YET MATCH, 1 Yonge's proposed height.

Don't forget the Daniels Project for the Government Night Club, 45 Bay, Harbourplaza, 60 York which when all is said in done, will balance out or even exceed the height (45 Bay/60 York) of 1 Yonge.

The first glass block to the left, I'm assuming that's daniels project

And then the new towers on the right, which are YET TO COME, OR ARE ON THE WAY. (not pictured in this rendering)

That glass block on the left isn't Daniels - it's a good bit farther east

RyeJay · #**9500** Posted **Jan 15, 2014, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I do like colour but, I'm not going to deny quality over the lack of it.Too often junk gets a passing grade because of it being different. A gold, red, whatever colour tower plopped in among the sea of grey to green to blue and back to black to would just look clownish. Likewise, a rainbow of buildings. These aren't class AAA clad in imported stone. It would be closer to Sheikh Zayad Road.

There's nothing outrageous about the aesthetical standard set by the CBD. I don't want rainbow towers; I want an end to the monotony along the Gardiner.

Mix it up a bit, please. 1 Yonge is one of the last opportunities to accomplish this. With this achievement, all that green-blue glass in the area will suddenly look much better.