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but I don't see making a significant dent in commuter transit, given you'd need to have a huge surplus of automated cars to handle rush hour, which would stand by idle the rest of the day, and have to all park somewhere.
I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, but we really have the same problem with commuter transit vehicles, and the theory is that automated cars could be both cheaper than today's commuter cars (with a lot less spent on safety measures) and also go park wherever space is cheap.

What I actually think that whole line of argument is missing is that you should be able to automate transit vehicles too and get similar cost savings. So all this is really about whether it makes sense for riders to share vehicles when they are sharing a lot of their route in common, and I personally think the answer to that question is likely to continue to be yes, and in fact automated vehicles might make that easier.
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It really is a shame what happened to East Liberty and for that matter, the Northside as well during the Urban Renewal. I would really like to see some more attention paid to the Allegheny Center Mall mess, if East Liberty can come back, that place can too.
A fix to the Allegheny Center mess would be welcome, as the property has so much potential. Plus, fixing it---making it more appealing and more of a destination---would further the development momentum on the whole Northside. I have always thought that AC plus the train tracks and 279 acted as a barrier to Northside development...or at least a psychological hurdle to its momentum.

I understand that the complex is controlled by multiple owners: one owns the mall, another some or all of the apartment buildings and a third owns the former IBM office building.

A small first step toward recovery would have been to reopen Ohio Street through the complex. A year or so ago, this was proposed by the city but shot down by the owner of the former IBM Building. The owner refused to waive an easement that would allow the street to be restored between its office building and the parking garage. The convenience and safety of not having vehicular traffic between the two structures was deemed more important than reopening the street. Shame.

The situation could eventually be a bit more promising w/r/t the mall, which is owned by a private, family-run real estate company based in LA. A few years back PHLF had discussions with the mall’s owner regarding an ambitious re-imagining of the mall. The process progressed far enough that a NY architectural firm was retained to bring ideas to the table then flesh out the concept and produce renderings and floor plans. It was a pretty ambitious plan---a complete revamp of the building: recladding the exteriors of both the mall and the parking structure; adding many more windows to the existing office space; adding many large, colorful LED-lit signs (a la Times Square) to the south-facing wall of the mall; and adding newly-constructed office space above both ends of the mall in the form of two new buildings (I recall eight to ten additional stories on both the western and eastern ends). The project, as conceived, re-opened to vehicular traffic all of Ohio Street and Federal Street north of Ohio. It also included reopening Federal Street south of Ohio as a broad pedestrian-only passage way, lined with retail and leading upward from South Commons to the open air plaza at Ohio Street. Not sure if the mall’s owner vetoed the idea of restoring Federal for vehicular traffic or if the architects found it too expensive to do, given all the structural issues of restoring a street through an existing parking garage. This pedestrian section of Federal was seen as---pardon the stretch---the Northside’s “Spanish Steps,” a public gathering spot lined on both sides by retail carved out of the parking structure, partially protected from the elements by the upper floors of the building (the south end) and partially open air (near Ohio). The plan also added more retail to open space on the plaza to eliminate its "dead" areas. Finally, the place would banish the name Allegheny Center and rebrand it as Allegheny Square.

The LA company was apparently initially excited by the proposal but eventually cooled, possibly due to its expense and complexity. But that decision seemed like a generational split within the firm as the primary decision maker, the firm’s president, is preparing to turn over the company to his sons, who were supposedly quite excited about the plan and its potential. Maybe this can be revisited at some point once management is assumed by the sons. At that point, the economics of the plan would have to be better given the continued improvement of the city's---and the neighborhood's---image.

I don't know a thing about the apartment buildings. Are they still well maintained and desirable to tenants? Fully-occupied? I had heard that one of them had structural issues and was nearly empty, which I tend not to believe. The NY architects had proposed that in any revamp of AC would add retail to the ground floor of the apartment buildings along the restored Federal north of Ohio.

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Something is going on in the California kirkbride hood. Lots of houses are getting restored and it looks like almost all of the once overgrown lots have been cleared and it looks like new development will soon take place. It's weird.




















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A fix to the Allegheny Center mess would be welcome, as the property has so much potential. Plus, fixing it---making it more appealing and more of a destination---would further the development momentum on the whole Northside. I have always thought that AC plus the train tracks and 279 acted as a barrier to Northside development...or at least a psychological hurdle to its momentum.

I understand that the complex is controlled by multiple owners: one owns the mall, another some or all of the apartment buildings and a third owns the former IBM office building.

A small first step toward recovery would have been to reopen Ohio Street through the complex. A year or so ago, this was proposed by the city but shot down by the owner of the former IBM Building. The owner refused to waive an easement that would allow the street to be restored between its office building and the parking garage. The convenience and safety of not having vehicular traffic between the two structures was deemed more important than reopening the street. Shame.

The situation could eventually be a bit more promising w/r/t the mall, which is owned by a private, family-run real estate company based in LA. A few years back PHLF had discussions with the mall’s owner regarding an ambitious re-imagining of the mall. The process progressed far enough that a NY architectural firm was retained to bring ideas to the table then flesh out the concept and produce renderings and floor plans. It was a pretty ambitious plan---a complete revamp of the building: recladding the exteriors of both the mall and the parking structure; adding many more windows to the existing office space; adding many large, colorful LED-lit signs (a la Times Square) to the south-facing wall of the mall; and adding newly-constructed office space above both ends of the mall in the form of two new buildings (I recall eight to ten additional stories on both the western and eastern ends). The project, as conceived, re-opened to vehicular traffic all of Ohio Street and Federal Street north of Ohio. It also included reopening Federal Street south of Ohio as a broad pedestrian-only passage way, lined with retail and leading upward from South Commons to the open air plaza at Ohio Street. Not sure if the mall’s owner vetoed the idea of restoring Federal for vehicular traffic or if the architects found it too expensive to do, given all the structural issues of restoring a street through an existing parking garage. This pedestrian section of Federal was seen as---pardon the stretch---the Northside’s “Spanish Steps,” a public gathering spot lined on both sides by retail carved out of the parking structure, partially protected from the elements by the upper floors of the building (the south end) and partially open air (near Ohio). The plan also added more retail to open space on the plaza to eliminate its "dead" areas. Finally, the place would banish the name Allegheny Center and rebrand it as Allegheny Square.

The LA company was apparently initially excited by the proposal but eventually cooled, possibly due to its expense and complexity. But that decision seemed like a generational split within the firm as the primary decision maker, the firm’s president, is preparing to turn over the company to his sons, who were supposedly quite excited about the plan and its potential. Maybe this can be revisited at some point once management is assumed by the sons. At that point, the economics of the plan would have to be better given the continued improvement of the city's---and the neighborhood's---image.

I don't know a thing about the apartment buildings. Are they still well maintained and desirable to tenants? Fully-occupied? I had heard that one of them had structural issues and was nearly empty, which I tend not to believe. The NY architects had proposed that in any revamp of AC would add retail to the ground floor of the apartment buildings along the restored Federal north of Ohio.
I heard that same thing, and it was actually on these boards, during a previous discussion of Allegheny Center, several months ago.

Someone posted that one of the apartment buildings was completely abandoned because of an issue with the foundation, while the other one had very low occupancy.

Do you know if there's anywhere to find those renderings done by the architectural firm from NYC? I'd be interested in taking a look. I'll do a quick search online, but I doubt anything will show up. Thanks.
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Well, here's something. This article mentions the addition of 70 trees, a bioswale to catch storm runoff and a large fog-emitting sculpture to "Allegheny Square Plaza." No details about the actual mall though...

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2...ady-to-begin/stories/2010092701330000000

The article says this project was supposed to be completed "by mid-2012." Don't think that happened.
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Interesting news/photos concerning the Cal-Kirkbride area, photoLith. Never thought I'd see any activity going on around there, at least not for many, many years!

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The article says this project was supposed to be completed "by mid-2012." Don't think that happened.
It did, actually (June 23, 2012, to be exact):

https://pittsburghkids.org/about/in-the-community/buhlpark

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151850875170648.873744.90036115647&type=1
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Ah, very nice. Thanks for pointing that out, BrianTH.

I hadn't heard of the park and the "fog fountain" existing, but then again, I don't get much to explore the Allegheny Center area much anymore.
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I heard that same thing, and it was actually on these boards, during a previous discussion of Allegheny Center, several months ago.

Someone posted that one of the apartment buildings was completely abandoned because of an issue with the foundation, while the other one had very low occupancy.

Do you know if there's anywhere to find those renderings done by the architectural firm from NYC? I'd be interested in taking a look. I'll do a quick search online, but I doubt anything will show up. Thanks.
Maybe I posted the info a few months back that you remember reading... I had a deja vu moment as I typed the Allegheny Center post this morning but only could recall for sure posting about why Ohio Street won't be re-opened. Sorry if it was duplicative.

I have never seen the plans, online or elsewhere. I assumed that this type of speculative plan would not be published.

The fog fountain is very cool.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2014, 2:48 PM
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There are also crews clearing this location along Finance Street in Homewood:

http://goo.gl/maps/lcsCk

I believe this may be for the next phase of new homes from Building United of Southwestern Pennsylvania (who did the homes along Susquehanna on the other side of Faison).
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http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/bl...r-building-is-nearing-full.html?page=all

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Jan 13, 2014, 12:43pm EST

Oliver Building is nearing full occupancy with law-firm lease

The Henry W. Oliver Building, one of downtown Pittsburgh’s classic office addresses, is nearly fully leased and back from the brink of default of a few years ago.

With a new Embassy Suites under construction in the building’s upper floors, McKnight Realty Partners has leased the last full floor available in the 25-foor, 471,000 square foot building to the law firm of Sherrard German & Kelly.

“For all intents and purposes, it’s pretty darned leased,” said Izzy Rudolph, a property manager at McKnight, putting the office vacancy of the building at around 85 percent or 90 percent, with the vacancy largely coming in quarter- and half-floors.

It’s a big turn around from where the building was a few years ago. Its long history that dates back to its construction in 1910.

The building largely floundered after losing K&L Gates, one of Pittsburgh’s biggest law firms, which left a gaping 200,000 square feet of vacancy when it left for what is now called K&L Gates Center in 2010. Based on a design by Daniel Burnham, a renowned architect of the time, the Oliver Building was long a key address for major Pittsburgh companies in a building with

But after losing K&L Gates, the building became the city’s largest building to be turned over to a special servicing company for being at risk to default on its commercial mortgage-backed security of $29.8 million.

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More development in Uptown:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2...s-energy-efficiency/stories/201401130043

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Housing project in Pittsburgh's Uptown emphasizes energy efficiency
January 12, 2014 11:20 PM

By Diana Nelson Jones / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Two buildings under construction in Uptown will provide 47 new apartments -- 23 affordable units in one and 24 units for young adults moving out of foster care in the other.

But the $12 million project by Action Housing will provide more than housing.

Each will be three stories and 30,000 square feet but built to different standards so Action Housing can determine the long-term value of passive energy design in one compared to current energy code standards in the other.

A passive house is built air tight with heat recovery ventilation. It is estimated to reduce energy consumption by 90 percent per square foot per year compared to a home built before code standards established in 2009, said Morgan Law, Action Housing's passive house consultant from Kaplan Thompson Architects of Portland, Maine.
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Nice to see the Oliver Building doing well. Now we just need someone to do the same with the Union Trust Building, and pretty much all around Mellon Square will be heading in the right direction.
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It definitely strengthens the case for prioritizing repairing and maintaining existing roads over building new road capacity, and also addressing existing but unmet transit needs with new/upgraded systems.

Predicting the need for more walkable development (core-area or indeed suburban) is also pretty obvious.

Where things get complicated is predicting future transportation needs in, say, 25-30 years, in part because no one is quite sure what automated cars are going to do to transportation patterns. Not overinvesting in roads or parking remains a good idea because automated cars will likely need less and/or different road and storage systems. But whether automated cars will substitute for, or rather complement, transit is a harder question to answer.


http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/5410637-74/commission-construction-project#axzz2qIMfctST

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Published: Monday, Jan. 13, 2014, 4:09 p.m.
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A Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission project to connect Route 22 with Interstate 79, known as the Southern Beltway, pushed forward Monday as the commission announced it awarded two contracts for the project.

Plans call for a 12-mile tolled expressway that will extend from the southern part of the existing, six-mile Findlay Connector, which opened in October 2006. It will start at Route 22 in eastern Washington County, proceed southeast into western Allegheny County near McDonald and tie into I-79 at the Washington-Allegheny County line.

The commission said it hired CDR Maguire Inc. to manage construction of the entire project. The total cost of the project is estimated at $550 million.

The first construction contract is to build a bridge to carry the Southern Beltway over Route 22 and serve as part of the interchange linking Route 22 and the Beltway. Mosites Construction Co. won the $14 million contract for the bridge, which is expected to begin construction in the spring of 2014, the commission said.
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Huh? Why is a bridge necessary. Does the Findley connector already take care of that part?
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The Post-Gazette had their spin on this as well. I'm not exactly entirely in favor of new capacity projects, but I would like to see this whole thing finished. Extending PA 576 to I-79 would provide travelers to PIT and other points northward another alternative to the Parkway West as well as I-79.

What I would also like to see is LRT extended to the airport, with the airport terminus working as an intermodal transportation hub with a couple of BRT lines feeding into it. These lines would extend out US 22 to Steubenville as well as down the Southern Beltway to Southpointe.

Regarding the Allegheny Center project, I would like to see more information on that as well (renderings). I do hope this is revisited at some point. As I've posted on here, I too have my vision for this...
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The problem is there are not enough daily trips to the airport from relevant origins to justify such a massive expenditure. That is why you get rationales like this:

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/2014/0...ternational-Airport/stories/201401130141

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“When opened to traffic, the Route 22 to I-79 project will create economic opportunities in Findlay, Robinson, Mount Pleasant, Cecil and North and South Fayette townships,” said turnpike commission Chairman William K. Lieberman. “It will provide better access to sites being developed by the Allegheny County Airport Authority and a direct link from I-79 to more than 4,000 acres of private, untapped commercial and industrial lands.”
That, of course, is precisely what we should not be doing--using our precious infrastructure resources to encourage more auto-centric sprawl, rather than investing in better serving already existing needs and encouraging reinvestment in already developed areas.
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By the way, they were originally expecting that in its opening year, the Findlay Connector would carry 12,000 vehicles per day:

http://www.paturnpike.com/Press/2003/20030416102908.htm

It ended up falling WAY short of that--under 3000 in its first year, and not much more recently.

So now they are suggesting that if they drop another $600+ million into this boondoggle to extend it to I-79, daily vehicle counts may rise to a whopping 6500:

http://www.paturnpike.com/press/2012/20121221123613.htm

Even if that is true--and obviously that should be taken with a huge grain of salt, given both their track record on predictions, and also general transportation trends that we were discussing--that sort of vehicle count cannot come close to justifying these sorts of expenditures.

For comparison, a roughly comparable project in terms of costs would be extending the East Busway to Monroeville (you could probably do it for a bit less, in fact, but it doesn't much matter in light of what I am about to note). The 2006 conclusion to the Eastern Corridor Transit Study projected that the extended Busway would serve 41500 daily riders:

http://www.spcregion.org/ECTS/pdf/ta-final/ECTS-TA%20Final%20Report.pdf

6500 vehicles per day, or 41500 riders? It shouldn't be a close call, and again recent transportation trends should widen the gap even further. And yet we are embarking on doing the wrong project.

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I get tired of the transit puritan mentality on these forums. The fact is that the region is more than awkward to get around. In fact, it's challenging to get around. I'm totally in favor of the Southern beltway and would like an extension to the east of 79 as well.

Of course the Findley Connector has low traffic volume - it's not connected to a high volume area, it's merely a leg of the beltway.
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I get tired of the transit puritan mentality on these forums. The fact is that the region is more than awkward to get around. In fact, it's challenging to get around. I'm totally in favor of the Southern beltway and would like an extension to the east of 79 as well.

Of course the Findlay Connector has low traffic volume - it's not connected to a high volume area, it's merely a leg of the beltway.
I'm going to call BS on this one. Why should we spend money promoting urban sprawl that will only create more problems, rather than spending the money updating and expanding our public transportation system that is grossly underfunded and under-planned? Why expand when our bridges are crumbling?

And on a final note, who really travels that route anyway, as an earlier person pointed out, an estimate of 12,000 people a day is dismal, and unless people magically decide to pay a toll and drive that way, why should we spend the money on it? It's a boondoggle that only creates more problems.

That's my 2 cents.
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