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Old Posted Dec 14, 2013, 1:07 AM
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just for fun...a google map of the tunnelling progress

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zMmGSX-iFmqc.kmV2sUE6yLMQ
really cool!
was it 50m per month? Does it mean with three areas, it'll be 150m per month?
quick math, 2,5km, 16 to 17 months
Do you know if it's been at the expected pace, slower or faster?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2013, 2:43 AM
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LRT tunnel noise a nightmare for apartment residents
CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lrt-tunnel-noise-a-nightmare-for-apartment-residents-1.2466703
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2013, 5:55 AM
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All-night LRT tunnelling taking toll in northwest Centretown

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN December 16, 2013 11:00 PM


OTTAWA — The mining machines chewing through rock under downtown Ottawa to make a new rail tunnel are amazing, powerful devices. But don’t try to sleep above one.

“It’s very hard to describe it. It’s a very low-wave, bass kind of sound,” said Valentin Chirica, who lives on the second floor of the Queen Juliana Apartments at 100 Bronson Ave., close to the “west portal” of the tunnel. He and his wife have had almost no sleep in days, he said, awakened over and over again by a sensation that’s somewhere between a vibration in their bones and a hum in their ears, coming from the “roadheader” nicknamed Chewrocka that’s grinding away at the rock under their home.

“If you sleep in a house close to the airport, if a jet is coming to take off or to land, that’s what it feels like. The difference is, it isn’t for two minutes. It’s all night.”

They’re getting desperate, he said.

“Two weeks ago, it was supportable. We bought several kinds of earplugs and noise-cancellation headsets from Bose and we were able to sleep with those,” he said. But as mining east from LeBreton Flats has progressed, each measure has failed. Two kinds of earplugs plus the headsets are useless, Chirica said Monday. On the weekend they went to a hotel.

“We’re paying $2,300 for the rent and on top of that we have to pay $150 each night to stay in a hotel. We . . . we cannot do this,” said Chirica, a senior adviser with the Canadian Border Services Agency. He and his wife have a lease for a year; the digging isn’t the landlord’s fault, so they can’t break their deal and move out. He’s complained to via email to Mayor Jim Watson, and they’ve complained to Coun. Diane Holmes and to the Rideau Transit Group, which is building the tunnel. “They simply don’t listen and they don’t respond.”

Holmes did take up the case Monday. She’s had about half a dozen complaints from the Queen Juliana, she said. A bylaw officer went to measure the sound on the weekend but didn’t get a usable reading from inside the building, possibly because the sound is too low for sensors that are designed to register the rackets from parties and regular machinery.

“The tunnelling is not very deep, as of yet. They’re just going in, so they’re right under the building,” Holmes said. She said she had hoped that the mining of the tunnel would move faster than it has so the inconvenience to residents right by the digging would at least be over quickly.

The roadheaders are supposed to clear three to four metres of tunnel each day but according to weekly reports posted to the project’s website, the machines working from the west opening have made it 55 metres in six weeks. At a briefing earlier in the fall, the Rideau Transit Group said the sound from the mining would be a low rumble, imperceptible to most people unless they listened hard.

Maybe during the day, Chirica said. “When you dig and drill through the rock, it will entail strong vibration and noise. It’s not clay, which you can drill through quickly and with little noise.”

He’s a strong supporter of the rail project as a key move in “modernizing our capital,” he said, but he said he can’t take any more.

The tunnelling needed for the $2.1-billion rail system is exempt from part of the city noise bylaw, so it can go on 24 hours a day. But it can’t be louder than 65 decibels overnight at a “point of reception,” such as Chirica’s bedroom. That’s loud enough, about the level of a one-on-one conversation, but Chirica has a sound-measuring phone app — it’s not a proper device for enforcing the law, he acknowledges, but it’s what he’s got — that captured sounds over the weekend that maxed out at 85 decibels.

Holmes has had a frustrating time trying to communicate with the Rideau Transit Group about what’s going on, she said. Until she can, she won’t be sure what might be done.

“That is something we will have to deal with,” Holmes said. “And when we can get information from the constructors, we’ll know how long this is going to take, how far are they going a day, when do they expect to be beyond this building’s foundations, and what can be done until they are.”

Chirica said he’s hoping for an adjustment to the rules, or to RTG’s digging practice.

“I hope they will stop, or reorganize their work to do something less noisy at nighttime, between midnight and 6 a.m. Maybe they can do something other than the drilling, I don’t know,” he said. But at the work’s current rate, it’s going to take at least a month, maybe as much as two, before the roadheader gets far enough for residents of the Queen Juliana to sleep soundly again.

The city bureaucracy didn’t immediately respond to questions from the Citizen — about whether the noise is louder than expected or whether there’s anything that is being or could be done for nearby residents. The Rideau Transit Group’s contract specifically forbids the consortium to speak publicly about what it’s doing.

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Old Posted Dec 17, 2013, 6:12 AM
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Definitely 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 to be these guys; I can sympathize after once living next to a invasive noise (only of the human variety).

I'm wondering if construction would accelerate after a cautious start. That seems to be what the Google map indicates, despite a limited time frame. Go slow to get the hang of things, then go all out?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2013, 6:04 AM
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LRT tunnelling work to continue overnight despite residents’ complaints

Worst should be over soon, according to manager in charge

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN December 17, 2013


OTTAWA - Centretowners driven from their beds by the persistent deep hum of a digging machine chewing a rail tunnel under their homes shouldn’t have to put up with the sound much longer, the deputy city manager in charge of the project says.

But it will go on a few more days and nights, Nancy Schepers told the Citizen by email Tuesday.

Residents particularly of the Juliana apartments, a luxury building at 100 Bronson Ave. just east of the opening to the tunnel now being dug, have complained to the city that the 24-hours-a-day work is making their lives unbearable. Deep vibrations thrumming through the bedrock apparently don’t exceed a 65-decibel limit set by city council when it voted to allow the day-and-night schedule, but second-floor resident Valentin Chirica said the noise is unbearable.

"It’s continuously. Continuously. It’s been two weeks," he said Monday. Increasing layers of earplugs, plus noise-cancelling headsets, worked for him and his wife for a while, but as the big machine has dug closer to their building their measures have failed one by one. They know it’s temporary and the city’s "roadheader," as it’s called, will eventually pass them and the noise will subside, but they’re going crazy now. They went to a hotel, even though they’re paying $2,300 a month for their apartment.

Since the noise inside the Juliana isn’t over the noise limit set by city council, the overnight work schedule kept by the city’s contractor, the Rideau Transit Group, won’t change.

"RTG has installed monitoring equipment and is conducting ongoing noise and vibration monitoring since the night shift has started; where noise or vibration issues are detected by the monitoring program RTG adapts its approach to ensure it aligns with the criteria outlined in the (noise) bylaw amendment and the project agreement," Schepers wrote.

The tunnel under the Juliana is relatively shallow and that’s part of the problem.

"As the tunnelling operation progresses east and downward away from the Juliana Apartments the noise and vibration as identified by a few residents is expected (to) dissipate," Schepers wrote. "Tunnel operations will stop for two weeks for a holiday shutdown as of December 20, when operations resume in the New Year, the roadheader will have cleared the Juliana."

The roadheader is moving faster than people would know if they’re relying on the city’s rail project website for updates, where the most recent word is that 55 metres of the western tunnel has been mined. It’s actually more like 100 metres, Schepers wrote. That means instead of getting louder and louder for a long time to come, the sound is close to having peaked and will lessen.

The tunnel continues east along Queen Street and will pass near several hotels, but the city’s expectation is that by then the work will be deep enough underground that people staying the night won’t be significantly disturbed.

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Old Posted Dec 20, 2013, 9:43 PM
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From Confederation Line website http://www.ottawalightrail.ca/en#target2736;

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December 19, 2013
Construction Summary

Exciting news – In the New Year all three roadheaders, Jawbreaker, Chewrocka and Crocodile Rouge, will be hard at work mining the 2.5 kilometre underground tunnel.

West Portal
•Material removal and mining using the roadheader continue; approximately 110 metres has been mined to date.
•Installation of additional lighting around the portal is being completed.

Central Shaft
•Assembly of the 3rd roadheader continues to allow for the beginning of mining in the New Year.
•Equipment and facilities installation will be completed this week.



Central shaft excavation

East Portal
•Mining the tunnel using the 2nd roadheader continues under the tunnel support umbrella.
•Material removals continue.

Highway 417
•Construction on various structures along the highway is ongoing, including on Hurdman Bridge and the St. Laurent Boulevard overpass: ◦Steel placement and abutment* work on N-W and S-W corners of the Hurdman Bridge is continuing and foundation pouring at the S-W footing begins this week.
◦At the N-E corner of the St. Laurent overpass, backfill work and removal of the protection system continues.

•Boring operations to complete traffic management, sewer work and relocation of barriers from Nicholas to the Split continues this week, in preparation of winter slowdown.

Abutment work at St Laurent

Maintenance and Storage Facility
•Site servicing activities are ongoing to prepare for the beginning of construction, scheduled for 2014.

Coventry Bridge
•Abutment* construction continues including formwork** and reinforcing steel installations.

Notes:

*Abutment refers to the substructure at the end of a bridge span on which the bridge superstructure rests.

**Formwork refers to the mold used to form concrete into structural shapes (beams, columns, slabs) for building.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2013, 11:53 PM
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The only relevancy to this link and Ottawa is that we too are doing a "big dig".
Interesting read, though.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/20/...est-tunnel-boring-machine-under-seattle/
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 5:53 PM
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really cool!
was it 50m per month? Does it mean with three areas, it'll be 150m per month?
quick math, 2,5km, 16 to 17 months
Do you know if it's been at the expected pace, slower or faster?
Well according to www.ottawalightrail.ca from their December 9th to December 19th update they went from 55 meters to 110 meters it looks like each roadheader can do roughly 50m every 2 weeks.
Thats 100 meters each a month, so with all roadheaders working in the new year thats 300m a month.
Not including the station excavations they could theoretically complete the tunnel in 8-9 months.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 9:25 PM
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I wonder if the current project schedule is a conservative expectation of the time will take to build the system.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2013, 12:41 AM
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It should be extremely conservative, there are generally stiff penalties for going late (and often incentives for bring early) in these types of P3 projects.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2013, 6:49 PM
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I’ll try this again:

Let’s pick some arbitrary numbers and say that
It takes 10 months to dig the tunnel with a TBM (and road header for the stations) at the cost of $300M;
It takes 15 months to dig the tunnel and stations with road headers at a cost of $200M.

Now, if it takes 26 months to build all the roadways necessary before you need the tunnel does it matter if you finish the tunnel faster? No. You might as well save the $100M and use the slower method of tunneling. There is no benefit to having an empty tunnel sit empty for an additional 5 months. In fact, if there were an even slower way to dig the tunnel while saving more money, it might be advantageous – as long as it didn’t take more than 26 months.

In scheduling terms, the operations which limit the project’s timing are the ones on the ‘Critical path’. In the above example, the road work is on the critical path and it is done in parallel with the tunneling, but the tunneling is not on the critical path. Faster tunneling will do nothing to help the project get finished faster. If the road work can be done faster, then the project’s time can be shorter.

A (very) rough idea of the schedule could look like this
...............................move
├─────── road work ──────────┼ buses ┼─── prep Tway ───>
├──── tunneling ────────┤slack time├─ tracks & signaling ───>
│....................................├─── reconfigure Tway stations ───>
├─────────── prepare M & S facility ─────┼─ rec’v & test vehicles ─┼─ other stuff ───>


I am not saying that the system can’t open earlier, just that if you are watching the tunneling rate to determine if the project can be finished earlier, you are making a mistake.

Remember, the City has said that it might be possible to have a (non-functional) downtown station open for viewing on July 1, 2017, but that the system will not be ready for passengers until (late) spring 2018. This should tell you that it is stuff outside the tunnel that is limiting the systems opening date.
     
     
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[QUOTE=Richard Eade;6387207]I’ll try this again:

Now, if it takes 26 months to build all the roadways necessary before you need the tunnel does it matter if you finish the tunnel faster? No. You might as well save the $100M and use the slower method of tunneling. There is no benefit to having an empty tunnel sit empty for an additional 5 months. In fact, if there were an even slower way to dig the tunnel while saving more money, it might be advantageous – as long as it didn’t take more than 26 months.



I think you are missing an important point in all this. Say you decide to decrease your speed and go from 15 months to 26 months to dig the tunnel. For an additional 11 months you are tying up your labourers, equipment, facilities and most importantly management staff on a project when they could be working somewhere else. The RTG is trying to staff this job with as few people as possible and keeping a very valuable resource tied up for an extra year means they are not looking after station construction or some other critical path task. Your right to say everything about the critical path but usually management personnel will dictate how fast you can go on a project.
     
     
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#OttLRT roadheader machine Jawbreaker is now over 100 metres deep into the tunnel beneath Queen St!
https://twitter.com/ottawacity/status/421377805297795072
     
     
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Impressive. Neat pic.
     
     
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It's amazing how much like a mine tunnel that looks, which isn't that surprising I guess, since that's pretty much exactly what it is.
     
     
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It's incredible how much a tunnel costs to build considering that the machines are almost completely automated and the structure is already there...it's the earth itself! There are many adornments and finishings to be added but really you are essentially removing something, not building something.
     
     
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The assessment and design phases of the tunnel most likely cost more than building the actual tunnel itself.
     
     
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The digging machines are all named?
     
     
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The digging machines are all named?
Not just named, they also have transformers-type avatars:
(L to R, Chewrocka, Crocodile rouge, and Jawbreaker)

     
     
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