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Old Posted Dec 19, 2013, 3:38 AM
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Fancy schmancy. Cheese wheels...

I heard the price here matched the upscale looks. Can anyone vouch for that?
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2013, 3:46 AM
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The prices looked normal at a glance...this isn't Hartman's after all... :p
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2013, 3:58 AM
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I heard the price here matched the upscale looks. Can anyone vouch for that?
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According to my mother, the prices are high.
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2013, 5:08 AM
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Oh wow, that's gorgeous for a Loblaws.
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2013, 5:25 AM
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Here's an article from the Centretown News about the Chapel Street synogogue.

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Oldest synagogue faces demolition

Friday, 13 December 2013
By Luke Bradley

Many Jews in downtown Ottawa will be finding a new place to light the Hannukah menorah next year, as this was the last celebration in Ottawa’s oldest and largest synagogue structure before it closes its doors permanently.

The building housing Congregation Beth Shalom, located at the corner of Rideau and Chapel streets in Sandy Hill, has been operating for more than 50 years. However, two years ago it was announced that the synagogue would be sold due to financial difficulties.

The initial buyer, Claridge Homes, walked away from its offer to buy the property in early 2013. A few months later, Trinity Properties Investments Inc. struck a deal with the congregation. At the end of March 2014, the synagogue will be permanently closed and Trinity will begin a condo development.

However, no location has been found to replace the current synagogue, leading to concerns about where many Jews living in downtown Ottawa will be able to worship. David Kardish, congregation member and owner of the nearby Rideau Bakery, says that the future is uncertain for Beth Shalom.

“I have no idea where they’re heading, neither do they,” says Kardish. “Everything is in flux right now, but you’ve got to keep looking forward to the future.”

Scott Goldstein, director of the Jewish student organization Hillel, says that this sale leaves few options available to those looking to worship in downtown Ottawa.

“It being the only Conservative synagogue in the area is going to have an impact,” says Goldstein.

“Someone downtown who lives walking distance to that synagogue now has to find a new location, and there’s only one other conservative synagogue in town, Agudath Israel.”

There had been ongoing merger talks with Agudath Israel, located on Coldrey Avenue in Carlington.

However, in a joint statement released to members of the two congregations earlier this month, the task force announced that due to issues such as “current needs, existing clergy and issues related to governance,” an agreement could not be reached.

There is also a much smaller Orthodox synagogue, Ohev Yisroel, located just a few blocks down from Beth Shalom, on Rideau Street. However, Goldstein says that it is unlikely many members of Beth Shalom will be willing to make the switch to an Orthodox congregation.

“I can’t speak for everyone, but I have a feeling that there won’t be too many people moving from a Conservative to Orthodox synagogue,” says Goldstein.

“They want something they’re used to, with a similar outlook to their religious practices.”

While the future is still uncertain for the congregation, there have been some steps secured to assure that members of Beth Shalom will continue to worship together. Centrepointe Theatre, located on Centrepointe Drive in Ottawa’s west end, has been booked as a venue for celebrations of the the High Holy Days, in the event that a location cannot be secured by then.

However, the pain of losing an historic venue such as the location on Chapel Street, and the uncertainty of the congregation’s future, has left many members discouraged.

Addressing the congregation, Beth Shalom president Ian Sherman said that the relocation process has been a long and difficult one.

“I feel as though I am in the midst of a new exodus – the exodus of Congregation Beth Shalom from Chapel Street,” wrote Sherman.

“Moreover, it will not be any dictator such as Pharaoh who tries to decide the plight of the Beth Shalom people; rather it will be the people of the Beth Shalom family who determine whether we want to carve out our future together.”
http://www.centretownnews.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4270&Itemid=127
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2013, 2:41 PM
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Looks like the Loblaws at the old Maple Leaf Gardens in T.O. I went to that Loblaws in August and thought to myself it's sad we don't get stores like that in Ottawa. Glad to see I was wrong.
it was based on the design of the Maple Leaf gardens one...
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it was based on the design of the Maple Leaf gardens one...
The one near my place on Queen West is very similar - This seems to be their new urban standard.
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The Desjardins bank on Beechwood Ave has been purchased by Claridge and they are planning on building condos.
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2013, 2:55 PM
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That will be a win. That building is ugly and totally not in keeping with the nature of the street. Of course, another eight story condo along the street may not be in line with the old two storey gabled houses along that stretch.

I will be interested to see how this develops.

Is the purchase absolutely confirmed?

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Old Posted Dec 20, 2013, 3:19 PM
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St Laurent and Hemlock

There is starting to be development along Beechwood which has long been an underappreciated street (with wealthy neighbourhoods on one side of the street and less wealthy ones on the other, maybe it could never decide what it wanted to be). But that may be changing.

I have often wondered about the huge amount of land at the corner of St. Laurent and Hemlock that is currently home to the Manor Park Estates. This land just seems ripe for redevelopment. It could have a combination of store fronts (that could serve Manor Park residents), condos (along Hemlock) and single family detached homes (further into Manor Park). With schools and parkland nearby, it could be a great place for families. At the same time, its relative proximity to downtown might also make it attractive to young professionals.

I just wonder why we are looking at redeveloping the Rockcliffe airbase when there is so much development potential elsewhere.
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There is starting to be development along Beechwood which has long been an underappreciated street (with wealthy neighbourhoods on one side of the street and less wealthy ones on the other, maybe it could never decide what it wanted to be). But that may be changing.

I have often wondered about the huge amount of land at the corner of St. Laurent and Hemlock that is currently home to the Manor Park Estates. This land just seems ripe for redevelopment. It could have a combination of store fronts (that could serve Manor Park residents), condos (along Hemlock) and single family detached homes (further into Manor Park). With schools and parkland nearby, it could be a great place for families. At the same time, its relative proximity to downtown might also make it attractive to young professionals.

I just wonder why we are looking at redeveloping the Rockcliffe airbase when there is so much development potential elsewhere.
There has been a redevelopment going on there for about 20+ years. It started on the Alvin heights side. There is now terrace homes and fancy expensive townhomes. It basically boils down to how quickly things sell. There are two blocks left to do east of St Laurent (surrounded by Mart, Blasdell and St Laurent). Those are next on the hit list.

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Wow. I had no idea that the Manor Park Estates used to be so big. I have only known about those along Brittany and those on the NW corner of Hemlock and St Laurent. I had no idea there was much more to it.

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There has been a redevelopment going on there for about 12 years. It started on the Alvin heights side. There is now terrace homes and fancy expensive townhomes. It basically boils down to how quickly things sell. There are two blocks left to do east of St Laurent (surrounded by Mart, Blasdell and St Laurent). Those are next on the hit list.
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The Desjardins bank on Beechwood Ave has been purchased by Claridge and they are planning on building condos.
As far as I know Claridge hasn't done many midrises on a main street (175 Richmond is the only one that comes to mind and it's far from being built). Should be interesting.
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That will be a win. That building is ugly and totally not in keeping with the nature of the street. Of course, another eight story condo along the street may not be in line with the old two storey gabled houses along that stretch.

I will be interested to see how this develops.

Is the purchase absolutely confirmed?
Confirmed: http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/economie...-vendue-a-claridge-pour-42-millions-.php
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I wonder if they bought the tea house on the corner as well?
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2013, 11:03 PM
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City mulls streamlined development approval process

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN December 22, 2013 5:20 PM


OTTAWA - A simpler way of saying yes or no to contentious development projects is catching on across Ontario, and Ottawa’s chief planning official in charge of reviewing them wants to take a look at it here.

Ontario has allowed "development permits" since 2007 as a complete alternative to the urban-planning system we have now. So far they’ve only been picked up by small towns, but it’s making urban planners buzz - and Toronto is on the verge of trying them out as an experiment.

The way urban planning works now, more or less, is that the city has a big land-use plan it updates once every five years. It has a zoning code that’s supposed to follow the land-use plan but put in a lot more details. And it has standards for site plans, which spell out things like where driveways can go and what direction a building’s ventilation fans point. If you want to build something, you have to meet all three sets of standards.

Or you can ask to have the standard amended in your favour. That is where the fighting happens, with the yelling in community-centre auditoriums and angry remonstrations to city council’s planning committee. That is where the city is so often criticized for not enforcing its own rules, agreeing constantly to changes in developers’ favour.

"The city is not entertaining amendments. The city is OBLIGATED to process applications for amendments," says Michael Mizzi, the city’s chief of development review, whom Ottawa hired away from Toronto early in 2013. Under the system Ottawa uses, spelled out in provincial law, rezonings are an integral part of urban planning and anybody is entitled to seek one. "The system we have now has the consultation and review in the middle or really at the end of the process. It pushes everything right to the end, and you have arguments about specific plans and the policies that allow them as a result."

Ottawa has been trying to push a lid down on these fights, investing heavily in things called "community design plans." They’re supposed to get out ahead of development pressures and involve residents, local merchants, and would-be developers in deciding the futures of neighbourhoods. A quick one takes about a year. When it’s done, it’s supposed to take a long view of where a neighbourhood is headed and, because of all the consultations that go into them - pushed to an earlier stage, the thinking goes - they’re supposed to represent a community consensus.

The problem: A community-design plan doesn’t solve everything. It can still be appealed or amended. Some are written more firmly than others. Some have built-in flexibility that leaves a lot of judgments up to the city’s planning department, such as one for Wellington Village that the city decided in December allows a nine-storey building on a lot residents thought could only have six. After five years or so, developers and their lawyers start arguing that they’re obsolete. They often argue that the zoning doesn’t match the plan - figuring out how land-use plans, zoning and site plans fit together, and where there’s a mismatch that might be exploited, is a small industry.

People who are just trying to get a grip on what’s happening down the block from their homes are easily stymied. Often neighbours argue against rezonings because they’re worried about things like where garbage will be stored, only to be told that that’s a site-plan question, not a zoning issue. Those get dealt with later, behind closed doors.

That’s where a development-permit system looks interesting. It wraps all the approvals into one application instead of three. One application, one set of rules, dealt with all at once.

It takes an enormous amount of work up front, far more than even a full community design plan needs. "You’ve got to know exactly what you’re looking for, almost on a lot-by-lot basis," Mizzi says. But if you do, you can spell it out in great detail, and then tell a developer pretty easily whether a proposal meets the standard. "If not, you can’t do it. You can’t do it. There is not an option to apply for a rezoning or a minor variance."

On the flip side, there’s also not an option for a neighbour to appeal an approval. If it meets the standards, it can be built, period.

The Ontario Association of Architects suggested development permits last fall as a possible solution to slow planning approvals in many cities and towns. Vice-president Toon Dreessen, who works in Ottawa, said having just one approval would avoid a lot of conflicts that can frustrate even projects nobody much objects to.

"It streamlines the process. It’s not about making it faster, it’s about making it clearer," he said. Currently, one proposal can be circulated to the same people and institutions for comments three times, once at each approval stage, and people are constantly checking each other’s work. Hydro Ottawa, for instance, might have different people signing off on the same plans and they won’t always agree on what’s OK. Something that was fine at the zoning stage becomes a problem in the site plan, and then fixing it means going back and changing the zoning to allow the fix.

"You go through the whole planning approval process and they do another zoning check, and then you have to argue about stuff," he said. "You get into, oh, gee, I have to change the site design, and it spirals, and you get this whole mess ... [A development permit system] puts all those circulation processes into one circulation."

For residents and community associations, it means one chance to comment on a project instead of two or three, but nobody will get scolded for bringing up a concern at the wrong stage in the process.

After a slow start in Ontario - a test in three Ontario municipalities starting in 2000 led only Lake of Bays, a township of 3,500 people in Muskoka, to stick with it - the development-permit idea is getting more traction. Near Ottawa, Carleton Place and Gananoque have adopted it; Mizzi points out it’s in use only in pretty small municipalities so far. Few big-city planners have practical experience with it.

But the big deal is that Toronto is interested: its chief planner, Jennifer Keesmaat, is a fan of the idea and its city council’s planning committee told her this month to report back in April with both a policy proposal and a plan to test-drive it in a downtown neighbourhood around King Street and Spadina Avenue.

Mizzi’s idea is that in Ottawa, we’d try it out in a well-established area that isn’t in the middle of a building boom. He shies away from naming one.

"I don’t think it’s something you want to pilot in an area undergoing great change," he says. "Possibly in a heritage conservation district ... somewhere where it’s a little more known what the built form is."

But even such a neighbourhood would have enough renovations and teardowns to tell us useful things about how development permits would work, Mizzi says.

He emphasizes that he isn’t championing a development-permit system. He’s saying it’s interesting enough to look at. With a major review of the city’s official land-use plan and policies just completed, something Ottawa does once every five years, the soonest anything could likely be in place is 2018, though Mizzi intends to bring it up after the city election next fall as a subject for his department to study.

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Looks like a redevelopment of the Beer Store site on Bank in the Glebe (just north of Holmwood, beside Kettlemen's Bagels) is in the works. Definitely an underused block on Bank that could use some intensification.

http://canderel.com/node/851
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Looks like a redevelopment of the Beer Store site on Bank in the Glebe (just north of Holmwood, beside Kettlemen's Bagels) is in the works. Definitely an underused block on Bank that could use some intensification.

http://canderel.com/node/851
Interesting. The word we got was that things had fallen through.

Glad to see that it's another developer, although Canderel would suggest something big. Hopefully they do something that fits the context (i.e. transitions from the Lord Lansdowne to neighbourhood scale).

In any event, that site is a 60s era mistake that is perfect for redevelopment.
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Interesting. The word we got was that things had fallen through.

Glad to see that it's another developer, although Canderel would suggest something big. Hopefully they do something that fits the context (i.e. transitions from the Lord Lansdowne to neighbourhood scale).

In any event, that site is a 60s era mistake that is perfect for redevelopment.
Down the street a little , McKales Service Ctr.--852 Bank St at 5th Av. has had a for sale sign on it for a while. I wonder if there has been any interest in it yet, and what might go there?
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Down the street a little , McKales Service Ctr.--852 Bank St at 5th Av. has had a for sale sign on it for a while. I wonder if there has been any interest in it yet, and what might go there?
That site has some constraints as it isn't huge, nor is it appropriate for something really tall. I think they are trying to package it with the lot behind it where the house burned down. Ideally it would be a small-scale mixed use building - maybe 4-5 stories stepped back from the street.

That said, you'd have enough space for reasonably big retail on the ground floor. The neighbourhood doesn't lack much on the retail front, but a destination store might work. Maybe something complementary to Lansdowne?
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