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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 6:31 PM
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Eesh, at $5/day, I'd still drive to DIA. Unless the train is free...
RTD charges anywhere between $2-4 depending on the p-n-r. Also, the first 24 hours are free for in-district residents.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 6:32 PM
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RTD parking lots are still free, right? So charging for airport riders would be pretty easy. Just make the lots free during the day, but charge for overnight parking. Any cars there during hours when RTD isn't running trains must have a pay stub on the dashboard.

A lot of transit agencies just flat out don't allow overnight parking.
We already do this. Free in-district for 24 hours. Pay after that. Out-of-district pays anytime.

Some park-n-rides are still free.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 6:34 PM
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RTD charges anywhere between $2-4 depending on the p-n-r. Also, the first 24 hours are free for in-district residents.
I don't think this is accurate. I think all of the lots with fees have the same $2/day fee for in-district residents. $4/day out-of-district.

http://www.rtd-denver.com/HowToPark.shtml
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 7:08 PM
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The key will be to make it more convenient for people to take the train. Here's a suggestion- luggage check-in and boarding pass at union station. Not having to deal with all that at the airport would be a huge bonus. This would take coordination with the airlines but I've done hotel check-in in other countries so it should be possible.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 7:22 PM
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I don't think this is accurate. I think all of the lots with fees have the same $2/day fee for in-district residents. $4/day out-of-district.

http://www.rtd-denver.com/HowToPark.shtml
No it's accurate. In-district residents only pay if the car is there more than 24 hours.

It's free to park at more than half of our Park-n-Rides. Parking fees apply at some Park-n-Rides (see list below). If your vehicle is registered at an address within RTD boundaries, you may park for free the first 24-hour period. After this period, a nominal $2.00 fee applies. Patrons with vehicles registered out of the district pay a $4.00 fee every day they park.

From RTD - http://www.rtd-denver.com/HowToPark.shtml
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That's not true. My station of choice is Englewood, and it'll still work better for me. The reality is that there is no fast way to get to the airport from the southwest. A shuttle from a parking lot already takes 30 minutes at DIA, so airport trips are probably the one type of trip where a transfer at Union Station will make sense. A daily commute, on the other hand, is a completely different story. Probably no way I'd train to a job at Fitz from here, or even Stapleton, for example. But airport trips are different (and for most people, must less frequent).
Could not resist-

1st) let's hope that the C train schedule is filled out more when the DIA line opens. Currently (January 5 schedule), there are no service windows (going north)
from 8:38a to 3:06p. While the C train runs south at least every 30 minutes, on numerous occasions it stops at Broadway, which would demand a transfer to a D train, and, an additional wait.

Part of the problem is that there are not enough storage and switching tracks immediately east of the DUS light rail station, I have been informally told. There is a capacity issue with the W line, having to do with length of trains and frequency. As we all know, the W line going east is forced to go to DUS Light

With no schedule change, you will either have to transfer from the D to the E train between these hours at Broadway, or Alameda or Osage. This can be a 0 to 15 minute wait.

Base line- C train to Union Station 19 minutes
Transfer to E train- 1 to 15 minutes

Now, we are at DUS Light. 5 to 10 minutes to walk to the Commuter lines, including exiting the light rail train (depending on weather and crowds)

0 to 30 minute wait for train (dependent on 15 or 30 minute running)

40 minutes to DIA.

Total times- ideal (when C train is running and DIA line is on 15 minute scheduling)

19 + 5 + 0 (perfect timing at DUS Heavy with prepaid ticket) + 40= 64 minutes.


Total times OOH- trains on time (high end)

2 minutes to Broadway + 15 minute wait for E train (E train pulls away as the D train you are riding pulls in) + 12 minutes on the E train to DUS light +10 minutes (very crowded bus terminal and is raining)+ 30 (train leaves DUS Heavy as you run up the ramp pulling your luggage to get to the platform) + 40 minutes= 109 minutes.

As you can see there is a range. This is one reason I wish, recommend, etc., that the C train run at least once per hour during all operating hours all the way south to Mineral (north and south) and, is timed to arrive at DUS Light about 15 minutes prior to a DIA train leaving DUS Heavy.

Of course, you also have to add the time from your house to Englewood, but, I suspect this is a push as taking the DIA train negates having to walk from your parked car (add anything over 15 minutes when you compare to your car travel time as you are over the 15 minutes DIA parking time)

I suspect, in your case, planning all out, you could get from Englewood to DIA in as little as 70 minutes. And, depending on the timing, park your car at the Broadway Station.

Now, by car from Englewood: about 35 minutes via Hampden, I-25, I-225, and, Pena Expressway. Add 15 minutes to walk from low cost parking. This would be a 50 minute baseline, with time added based upon weather.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 7:59 PM
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RTD parking lots are still free, right? So charging for airport riders would be pretty easy. Just make the lots free during the day, but charge for overnight parking. Any cars there during hours when RTD isn't running trains must have a pay stub on the dashboard.

A lot of transit agencies just flat out don't allow overnight parking.
Under what rationale is it reasonable for a graveyard shift worker who parks at their home station at ~10 pm and returns back the next morning at ~7 am to pay more for parking than an office worker with "conventional" hours?

The current policy used by RTD of charging per 24 hours used, regardless of what time of day a car was first parked, is the most equitable option for all customers, especially those with "non-conventional" work shifts.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 8:19 PM
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great, great point...quit tinkering RTD and keep building.
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I just got my first car, so this was the first time I've ever even been able to consider doing this, but I considered riving to the airport this morning. I had a super early flight this morning, which meant getting up incredibly early to catch the bus. I know it's unique because of holiday travel, but every DIA parking lot was booked up when I checked yesterday

But then I started thinking about those parking lots, and how they require a shuttle to DIA--How long does that whole thing take? As someone that lives in Cap Hill, would I really be saving any time by driving, considering the shuttle ride?
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2013, 10:28 PM
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No it's accurate. In-district residents only pay if the car is there more than 24 hours.

It's free to park at more than half of our Park-n-Rides. Parking fees apply at some Park-n-Rides (see list below). If your vehicle is registered at an address within RTD boundaries, you may park for free the first 24-hour period. After this period, a nominal $2.00 fee applies. Patrons with vehicles registered out of the district pay a $4.00 fee every day they park.

From RTD - http://www.rtd-denver.com/HowToPark.shtml
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RTD charges anywhere between $2-4 depending on the p-n-r.
This is the part that is inaccurate. RTD does not charge "anywhere between $2-4 depending on the p-n-r." In fact, RTD doesn't charge between $2 and $4 at all - they charge one or the other. Also, all of the p-n-r's that charge charge the same.

It would be accurate to say "RTD charges $2 or $4, at some p-n-r's, depending on whether you are in-district or out-of-district." Just being a stickler.

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But then I started thinking about those parking lots, and how they require a shuttle to DIA--How long does that whole thing take? As someone that lives in Cap Hill, would I really be saving any time by driving, considering the shuttle ride?
The shuttle ride is probably comparable to the ride for you to get to Market Street Station. 20 minutes, 30 on a slow day. So yeah, you probably still save time today. Maybe not when the train opens because it'll be fast. I have never had a good SkyRide experience - it is always a slow mess.

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The current policy used by RTD of charging per 24 hours used, regardless of what time of day a car was first parked, is the most equitable option for all customers, especially those with "non-conventional" work shifts.
Most equitable yes. Most expensive to accurately enforce, also yes. It takes a good deal of effort to track which cars have been there for 24 hours and which haven't if you don't cheat by using the night as a clean break.

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I just got my first car, so this was the first time I've ever even been able to consider doing this, but I considered riving to the airport this morning. I had a super early flight this morning, which meant getting up incredibly early to catch the bus. I know it's unique because of holiday travel, but every DIA parking lot was booked up when I checked yesterday

But then I started thinking about those parking lots, and how they require a shuttle to DIA--How long does that whole thing take? As someone that lives in Cap Hill, would I really be saving any time by driving, considering the shuttle ride?
Even Mt. Elbert lot??? I have never ever seen that one full before.
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2013, 4:36 PM
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This is the part that is inaccurate. RTD does not charge "anywhere between $2-4 depending on the p-n-r." In fact, RTD doesn't charge between $2 and $4 at all - they charge one or the other. Also, all of the p-n-r's that charge charge the same.

It would be accurate to say "RTD charges $2 or $4, at some p-n-r's, depending on whether you are in-district or out-of-district." Just being a stickler.
Then if you're being a stickler, you missed a comma. Also, all of the p-n-r's that charge, charge the same.
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Under what rationale is it reasonable for a graveyard shift worker who parks at their home station at ~10 pm and returns back the next morning at ~7 am to pay more for parking than an office worker with "conventional" hours?

The current policy used by RTD of charging per 24 hours used, regardless of what time of day a car was first parked, is the most equitable option for all customers, especially those with "non-conventional" work shifts.
There is a business opportunity here. For pay parking lots near DIA line stations. Provide security and a cheap day rate up to X days. If this could be close to a station or very quickly reachable via shuttle from a station, the DIA line could then take passengers right into the terminal.

This could be an intermediate step to gain revenue from property that is awaiting future development.

Anyone out there got money?
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2013, 8:35 PM
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Then if you're being a stickler, you missed a comma. Also, all of the p-n-r's that charge, charge the same.
Touche. (I don't know how to accent the e.)
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Even Mt. Elbert lot??? I have never ever seen that one full before.
When trying to make a reservation for a spot at ANY of the lots, every single one was full. Tis the season for travel.
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When trying to make a reservation for a spot at ANY of the lots, every single one was full. Tis the season for travel.
Neither Pikes Peak nor Elbert were full (Elbert wasn't even open - they don't open it until it's needed). But you can't reserve those, either.
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Interesting history on the railroad to DIA

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,837756

Makes one wonder....
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i think we can probably all agree with bunts opinion on this one

http://www.dezeen.com/2014/01/02/foster-promotes-cycling-utopia-above-londons-railways/
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i think we can probably all agree with bunts opinion on this one

http://www.dezeen.com/2014/01/02/foster-promotes-cycling-utopia-above-londons-railways/
I'm intrigued by the idea. After all, we do have a bunch of urban biking trails here.
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