Winnipeg Construction VIII - Page 96

armorand93 · #**1901** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 4:12 AM**

So... Assiniboia Downs is gonna be the next massive build-up area in Western Winnipeg? Along with the developments in Charleswood and CentrePort? With Westport, the Assiniboia Downs area is going to get massive. Add in new suburbs, apartments, recreation, transit service... would it be asking too much to see this as a new community by 2020?

Well. That or just label it all as St. Charles.

seriously though. What do you guys think about this? CoryB? Trebor? 1ajs? trueviking?

Biff · #**1902** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 2:33 PM**

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we dont need anymore casinos they are a waste of money honestly

I don't really think the Government thinks they are a waste of money as they are currently investing $50+ million on each McPhillips St Casino and Club Regent.

Authentic_City · #**1903** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 2:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

I don't really think the Government thinks they are a waste of money as they are currently investing $50+ million on each McPhillips St Casino and Club Regent.

I think the government is concerned about a saturated market. How many casinos can the city support? A new casino at the Downs would just take business from the other casinos.

bomberjet · #**1904** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 3:01 PM**

The only place a new casino should be built in Winnipeg is downtown in a Las Vegas style hotel complex. Theme it towards local type stuff, such as polar bears and cottage country. I know there was a casino downtown before that didn't work. But other than that, I'm agreeing with the dippers on this one.

CoryB · #**1905** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 3:31 PM**

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If I recall correctly, Downs accused NDP of trying to yank the VLTS to force Downs into selling to Red River Ex or something like that. Didnt the Downs win an injunction against the NDP and kept their VLTS?

The history of VLTs at the Downs is that originally VLTs were not allowed at all in Winnipeg and used to help fund development in the rural communities where they existed. The Downs was struggling financially, especially with attracting people in the off season, so they were granted special permission to introduce VLTs to Winnipeg. As part of that special agreement the funding agreement was changed from the standard for rural and eventually Winnipeg VLTs so that a larger share of the income went directly to the Downs. The changes the NDP are proposing is not removing the VLT units from the Downs but rather bringing their agreement more in line with the standard agreement everyone other than True North is under.

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Yeah it's a mess. I'm just more curious If these 2 Developments can co-exist even if the disputes are settled. How many Hotels is that? 4? 2 convention meeting spaces almost adjacent to each other? 2 Adjacent Retail centres. Why bother coming into the city at all with RBC Convention Centre expanding.?

I'm for WesportFestival but the Downs/Peguis want to start this in the Spring/Summer next year with the 100 million + they recieved for the land claim dispute. Westport is going through traffic feasabillity studies and they want to plunk this down next door in 6 months. Is it a Race?

I think the two developments are targeting different groups. Looking at the plans for Westport that have circulated it seems that it is going to feature two large stores, likely Target and Lowes based on existing retail in the area. Around those stores there will be smaller development with most of it being "service" industry stuff like hotels, restaurants, etc targeting vehicle traffic arriving to or leaving from Winnipeg via the Trans Canada. Looking at other cities, the western edge of Winnipeg is really lacking in this type of development that is not uncommon in other cities.

The Downs development, seems to fall more in line with the design style used in outlet malls. The pattern for outlet malls is to locate close to major highways, and it Canada close to the local airport, and the Downs site meets both of those criteria. We also know from this Jan 26, 2011 WFP article that Winnipeg is due to receive an outlet mall between 2016 and 2018, not too far off from when the Downs project might actually open.

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Originally Posted by armorand93

So... Assiniboia Downs is gonna be the next massive build-up area in Western Winnipeg? Along with the developments in Charleswood and CentrePort? With Westport, the Assiniboia Downs area is going to get massive. Add in new suburbs, apartments, recreation, transit service... would it be asking too much to see this as a new community by 2020?

The reality is Winnipeg is running out of undeveloped land with the current boundaries regardless of the part of town you talk about. Sage Creek, River Park South and Southpointe already run right up to the cities edge. The situation is similar on the northern edges too. The Downs, Westport and likely CentrePort all fall within the boundaries of St Charles which takes its name from the over 100 year old church near the Perimeter and Assiniboine River.

Cyro · #**1906** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 3:34 PM**

Render of Proposed Ass. Downs development

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Big ......... Parking lot. Which building is the casino going in..

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Comparison to Westport Festival developement...

armorand93 · #**1907** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 5:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cyro

Render of Proposed Ass. Downs development:

Big ......... Parking lot. Which building is the casino going in..

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Comparison to Westport Festival developement:

Seeing those pics raises a few questions for me:

1) What are we going to do with the Red River Ex? Particularly all the parking spaces since no one except the inner city buse's to it...
2) The density of both developments would warrant transit service. Route 82 expansion perhaps? Or a new feeder for Westport? Route 601 (Racetrack Shuttle) revival from Unicity?
3) Pedestrian access from the other side of the Perimetre?
4) Are they getting a Wendys?

this part of the city could use one.

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Originally Posted by CoryB

I think the two developments are targeting different groups. Looking at the plans for Westport that have circulated it seems that it is going to feature two large stores, likely Target and Lowes based on existing retail in the area. Around those stores there will be smaller development with most of it being "service" industry stuff like hotels, restaurants, etc targeting vehicle traffic arriving to or leaving from Winnipeg via the Trans Canada. Looking at other cities, the western edge of Winnipeg is really lacking in this type of development that is not uncommon in other cities.

The Downs development, seems to fall more in line with the design style used in outlet malls. The pattern for outlet malls is to locate close to major highways, and it Canada close to the local airport, and the Downs site meets both of those criteria. We also know from this Jan 26, 2011 WFP article that Winnipeg is due to receive an outlet mall between 2016 and 2018, not too far off from when the Downs project might actually open.

If only Unicity still existed... *sigh*

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The reality is Winnipeg is running out of undeveloped land with the current boundaries regardless of the part of town you talk about. Sage Creek, River Park South and Southpointe already run right up to the cities edge. The situation is similar on the northern edges too. The Downs, Westport and likely CentrePort all fall within the boundaries of St Charles which takes its name from the over 100 year old church near the Perimeter and Assiniboine River.

Guess that answers my question.

I just hope they dont start labelling Assiniboia Downs/St. Charles/Unicity over with "Westport Festival". I dont think they will though, but knowing Calgary and Edmonton sprawl...

CoryB · #**1908** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by armorand93

Seeing those pics raises a few questions for me:

1) What are we going to do with the Red River Ex? Particularly all the parking spaces since no one except the inner city buse's to it...
2) The density of both developments would warrant transit service. Route 82 expansion perhaps? Or a new feeder for Westport? Route 601 (Racetrack Shuttle) revival from Unicity?
3) Pedestrian access from the other side of the Perimetre?
4) Are they getting a Wendys?

this part of the city could use one.

1) Same thing when The Ex was on St James, officially "ban" event parking and tolerate the few people that break the rules. Reality is on-site Ex parking is still going to be more convenient.

2) I have previously been told that Westport Festival alone would warrant transit extension, routes 11, 21, 22, 24, 25, and 98 seem like strong possibilities in addition to 82.

3) Pedestrian access from across the Perimeter is laughable to start with even though I see people walking that stretch of Portage Ave almost every day. That said, if you are serious, official and safe pedestrian access would be more likely on the Saskatchewan Ave side of the site.

4) Wendy's seems doubtful at best as there was a location at Portage and Calavier which is now a Hakim Optical. If they couldn't make it at that location it seems doubtful they would try again. IHOP and Boston Pizza on the other hand seem like a lock and Cora's wouldn't be a surprise.

biguc · #**1909** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 6:47 PM**

This is skyscraperpage, guys. Not sprawlingbullshitpage. Take this nonsense to winnipegheights or some other garbage-ass site.

bomberjet · #**1910** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 6:52 PM**

Skyscraper talk is all dried up at the moment biggie.

CoryB · #**1911** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by biguc

This is skyscraperpage, guys. Not sprawlingbullshitpage. Take this nonsense to winnipegheights or some other garbage-ass site.

First this is the Winnipeg Construction discussion and we are discussion planned construction in Winnipeg.

Second, the St Charles neighbourhood where this construction is planned has been around over 100 years making other parts of Winnipeg, like Polo Park, the sprawl, not the other way around.

Biff · #**1912** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 8:57 PM**

Awesome project happening at 311 Alexander Ave called the Bag Factory Apartments. 298 rental units. Should start construction in early 2014. The plans look great, really cleans up the building. That amount of people will bring some density to the NW fringe of the exchange.

DonaldSmith · #**1913** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Awesome project happening at 311 Alexander Ave called the Bag Factory Apartments. 298 rental units. Should start construction in early 2014. The plans look great, really cleans up the building. That amount of people will bring some density to the NW fringe of the exchange.

Is that Sandhu?

esquire · #**1914** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 9:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Awesome project happening at 311 Alexander Ave called the Bag Factory Apartments. 298 rental units. Should start construction in early 2014. The plans look great, really cleans up the building. That amount of people will bring some density to the NW fringe of the exchange.

Good news, that building and the new Peace Tower should help to really define the NW edge of the Exchange District/Chinatown. It's interesting to see how residential development has been creeping north on Princess and the various side streets... I would have expected more densification within the more well-established parts of the Exchange.

headhorse · #**1915** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 9:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Awesome project happening at 311 Alexander Ave called the Bag Factory Apartments. 298 rental units. Should start construction in early 2014. The plans look great, really cleans up the building. That amount of people will bring some density to the NW fringe of the exchange.

great news. hopefully something happens with the Bathgate block as well.

DonaldSmith; not sure if this is Sandhu since it is rentals, but they also have a project planned for the SE corner of Princess and Logan.

Biff · #**1916** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 9:54 PM**

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Is that Sandhu?

I believe so. They are doing some good stuff in this city.

esquire · #**1917** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 10:13 PM**

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I believe so. They are doing some good stuff in this city.

I'm impressed by Sandhu. The fact that they stepped up to build the first (and to date, only) significant infill condo project in West Broadway is impressive, and they are behind one of the first new modern-era highrise condos in donwtown Winnipeg. Not bad for a small company.

rrskylar · #**1918** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 11:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by biguc

This is skyscraperpage, guys. Not sprawlingbullshitpage. Take this nonsense to winnipegheights or some other garbage-ass site.

The prodigal son returns, nice to see you back biguc!

PS Does any project involving a First Nations band NOT involve a casino component?

1ajs · #**1919** Posted **Dec 20, 2013, 11:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Awesome project happening at 311 Alexander Ave called the Bag Factory Apartments. 298 rental units. Should start construction in early 2014. The plans look great, really cleans up the building. That amount of people will bring some density to the NW fringe of the exchange.

really? interesting thats just 2 blocks from me the whole area around there is so awsome

biguc · #**1920** Posted **Dec 21, 2013, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

First this is the Winnipeg Construction discussion and we are discussion planned construction in Winnipeg.

Second, the St Charles neighbourhood where this construction is planned has been around over 100 years making other parts of Winnipeg, like Polo Park, the sprawl, not the other way around.

Well, further to that point the city where this construction is planned (barely) in has existed for over 100 years making other parts of Canada, like Iqaluit, the sprawl. Not the other way around.