South Fraser Perimeter Road/Highway 17 Extension | Completed

[makr3trkr]

Originally Posted by proudcanuck

I agree. I believe that all of the major bridges in the lower mainland should have a toll of $1. For the majority of them, it would be reinstating tolls.

And by major I refer to: Lion's Gate, Ironworkers Memorial, Arthur Laing, Oak Street, Knight Street, Massey Tunnel, Alex Fraser, Queensborough, Patullo and Pitt River.

Of those bridges, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe only the Alex Fraser and Arthur Laing have never had tolls previously. I know for a fact that the Alex Fraser never has.

I think getting every regional and governmental entity involved to agree to tolling on every bridge in the Lower Mainland would be like herding cats, and also a political poison pill.

I would definitely support it if, say, it was $1 during rush hour and $.50 or $.25 when not during peak hours (or variable depending on the volume on the bridge).

The problem is the tolling quickly becomes an excuse to bilk people out of money, rather than actually solve congestion.

I would enthusiastically support a toll on the contemplated H99 connector (which was proposed alongside the SFPR) as a high speed route for commuters rather than trucks through Surrey between Highway 1 and 99.

[xd_1771]

Looks like there are no reflectors on the center lanes which would cause visibility issues on the freshly dark pavement especially during rainy nights when the water-based lane markings literally become invisible. But that is consistent with typical BC highways anyway.

It's December. Wouldn't make much sense to put them in when there's possible snow to deal with any the reflectors would then get laid to waste by snowplows.

Maybe in March.

[c041v]

Originally Posted by xd_1771

It's December. Wouldn't make much sense to put them in when there's possible snow to deal with any the reflectors would then get laid to waste by snowplows.

Maybe in March.

The remaining reflectors will start to appear in the next few days.

The final paving for the main alignment was completed this afternoon. Line painting of the EB lanes from Sunbury to East of the Viaduct should be wrapping up right around now. That picture exaggerates the vertical curves quite a bit. The road overall, is very smooth. Especially the Delta section.

It turns out the Old Yale section under the SRY trestle is actually 50 km/h, not 60 km/h. This is because of the bounded curves under the SRY trestle and the at-grade spur line a short distance away.

[makr3trkr]

Originally Posted by c041v

The remaining reflectors will start to appear in the next few days.

The final paving for the main alignment was completed this afternoon. Line painting of the EB lanes from Sunbury to East of the Viaduct should be wrapping up right around now. That picture exaggerates the vertical curves quite a bit. The road overall, is very smooth. Especially the Delta section.

It turns out the Old Yale section under the SRY trestle is actually 50 km/h, not 60 km/h. This is because of the bounded curves under the SRY trestle and the at-grade spur line a short distance away.

So even after the Old Yale underpass and replacement Pattullo are built, the limit is going to remain 50 km/hr.

I doubt the MoT will be trumpeting that in the press release..

I think that might actually be *slower* than the old limit on South Fraser Way before the construction.

This is either going to be ignored by the vast majority of people, or it will become a huge speed trap.

They should have just made the limit 30km/hr and everyone could be really pleased at how much safer it was now.

[c041v]

Originally Posted by makr3trkr

So even after the Old Yale underpass and replacement Pattullo are built, the limit is going to remain 50 km/hr.

I doubt the MoT will be trumpeting that in the press release..

I think that might actually be *slower* than the old limit on South Fraser Way before the construction.

This is either going to be ignored by the vast majority of people, or it will become a huge speed trap.

They should have just made the limit 30km/hr and everyone could be really pleased at how much safer it was now.

Unless the one business that is fed by the spur line goes under, yes.

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by c041v

Unless the one business that is fed by the spur line goes under, yes.

any idea on trains per week that go through there?

That 50 km/h segment is going to become one large speed trap...

[splashflash]

Originally Posted by c041v

The remaining reflectors will start to appear in the next few days.

The final paving for the main alignment was completed this afternoon. Line painting of the EB lanes from Sunbury to East of the Viaduct should be wrapping up right around now. That picture exaggerates the vertical curves quite a bit. The road overall, is very smooth. Especially the Delta section.

It turns out the Old Yale section under the SRY trestle is actually 50 km/h, not 60 km/h. This is because of the bounded curves under the SRY trestle and the at-grade spur line a short distance away.

Will the viaduct under the Alex Fraser Bridge open tomorrow? The media barrier east of the Pattullo on-ramp needs moving, so I suspect that section won't open until next week

[DKaz]

The viaduct is already open. Has been for a couple of weeks or so.

[c041v]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

any idea on trains per week that go through there?

That 50 km/h segment is going to become one large speed trap...

I would be surprised if it's more than once/week, if that.

Viaduct WB has been open for a little while, EB will be next week. There's a few final touches to go on yet.

[Chris City]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

any idea on trains per week that go through there?

Trains cross there 2 or 4 times a day, usually M-F. 3 or 4 different businesses are served by the railway.

[dharper]

Just when the final push comes to finish the project, the webcams go down again. I don't know how often, when there is something interesting to follow(on SFPR or HWY 1), the stupid webcams stop working.

[adrianroam95]

Update: As of 2:25 AM December 25th the eastbound half of the SFPR directly east of the Alex Fraser Bridge has been striped and is ready to go.



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[osirisboy]

Why are there no street lights on this thing?

[libtard]

Originally Posted by proudcanuck

I agree. I believe that all of the major bridges in the lower mainland should have a toll of $1. For the majority of them, it would be reinstating tolls.

And by major I refer to: Lion's Gate, Ironworkers Memorial, Arthur Laing, Oak Street, Knight Street, Massey Tunnel, Alex Fraser, Queensborough, Patullo and Pitt River.

Of those bridges, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe only the Alex Fraser and Arthur Laing have never had tolls previously. I know for a fact that the Alex Fraser never has.

Nope Arthur Laing will never be tolled. Its owned by the airport. Plus you forgot Granville, Cambie, and Burrard street bridges. If Arthur Laing is a major crossing then so are they

[Flash604]

Originally Posted by adrianroam95

Update: As of 2:25 AM December 25th

But where's Santa?

[Flash604]

Originally Posted by libtard

Nope Arthur Laing will never be tolled. Its owned by the airport. Plus you forgot Granville, Cambie, and Burrard street bridges. If Arthur Laing is a major crossing then so are they

I think he was including any for which there was no land alternative. Tolling those three bridges just means people will skirt around the edge of False Creek to avoid those tolls. Their not major crossings, but rather just slightly more convenient routes.

Perhaps an alternative would be to consider the islands in the Fraser as part of Vancouver for tolling purposes, so you must pay a toll to get from the south side to the islands, but then it's free to get from the islands to Vancouver? Or alternatively toll all the other bridges onto Sea Island so that you couldn't use the Authur Lang as a free alternative to get across the north arm of the Fraser River?

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Flash604

I think he was including any for which there was no land alternative. Tolling those three bridges just means people will skirt around the edge of False Creek to avoid those tolls. Their not major crossings, but rather just slightly more convenient routes.

Perhaps an alternative would be to consider the islands in the Fraser as part of Vancouver for tolling purposes, so you must pay a toll to get from the south side to the islands, but then it's free to get from the islands to Vancouver? Or alternatively toll all the other bridges onto Sea Island so that you couldn't use the Authur Lang as a free alternative to get across the north arm of the Fraser River?

Tolling every bridge onto sea island? What a horrible idea. Don't punish Richmondites, they chose to live close to Vancouver unlike south of the fraser folk

[Alex Mackinnon]

North Arm crossings are also way cheaper than South Arm crossings. Look at the Pitt River bridge vs Port Mann. Yes, Pitt River is effectively 8 lanes and Port Mann is 10, but the diffence in cost is about 2 Billion for Port Mann vs. about 200 Million for Pitt River.

Would a 50 cent toll be worth collecting?

[Flash604]

Originally Posted by libtard

Tolling every bridge onto sea island? What a horrible idea. Don't punish Richmondites, they chose to live close to Vancouver unlike south of the fraser folk

I never said it should be done, I said that would be the way to make his idea work. I also offered the alternative of just south of the Fraser crossings, as I'm not so sure about the idea of having to pay for two crossings if you're just passing through Richmond.

But the idea here is to spread the load rather than punish a particular group that are near a particular bridge that needs replacing. The ultimate would be to toll by distance travelled, but that both requires a more extensive freeway network and requires cameras at every entrance and exit. Tolling all the bridges is a way to have many drivers pay a little each rather than particular drivers pay a lot more. To extend your idea out, why should someone that chooses to live just the other side of Richmond have to pay when someone just north of him doesn't? You're trying to make it as if Richmond folks live so much closer than south of the Fraser folks, but the two are only separated by a strip of water.

[Pinion]

Tolling old bridges would be political suicide. The north shore bridges are already paid for through old tolls. I'd be okay with tolls if we got brand new 6 lane/8 lane bridges.