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Old Posted Oct 3, 2013, 8:56 PM
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For those of you that are too busy to attend the remaining open house (I suspect most of you going by previous attendance) you can still have a say by taking the city's survey.

http://www.talkvancouver.com/northplaza
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2013, 9:08 PM
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Also useful for those of us out of town. Thanks.

I am not blown away by any of them but i'm going to say of the three I love the ring, and not because i feel it is particularly attractive, but simply because it is different and wont blend in. I love vancouver's homogeneity, and am not advocating for every project to be different for the sake of it, but every once in a while something needs to break the mold and make people say look at that. I'm thinking this could be one of those sites.
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2013, 9:14 PM
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*pfft* Leftcoaster is turning into the new trofirhen. How long has it been since you've been back?
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2013, 9:31 PM
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Haha ya i still remember the logging town of my youth, getting drunk with gassy jack and fighting moose.

I've been back a lot lately but it's always for work so overnighters. I've gotta get back for a week and do a proper tour, drive the new PMB, check out all the changes on marine in NV, maybe even find some time for a ssp meetup!
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2013, 4:10 AM
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Too much discussion happening here lately to keep up with all of it, so I am not sure if it has been mentioned before, but why only three proposals for the square? One would imagine there being at least 10 different proposals to wake discussion. Now none of the proposals really pleases oneself.
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2013, 1:43 AM
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Article from Vancouver Magazine on Robson Square and Arthur Erickson:

http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Features/Back_To_Square_One?page=0%2C0

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Erickson remains a long shadow in this room. In 1973, he designed the three city blocks that make up Robson Square-he hoped it would be our Trafalgar Square or Plaza Mayor but the complex never seemed to quite realize its potential. I remember speaking with Erickson on the subject a few years before his death, and he simply grumbled, "It's a failure-absolutely."

Robson Square was meant to be fuelled by a metro station beneath Hornby Street, but when that was botched, the underground area was left largely vacant. As Milkovich says, "I don't know that it was ever properly programmed the way other plazas around the world are." He points to photos from across North America, where civic plazas always have some beer garden or concert or outdoor dancing in the mix. Then he pulls out a black-and-white photo showing the north end of the VAG circa horse-and-buggy: the building is aflutter with flags on the occasion of a royal visit-the crowd spills over into the streets, and the space looks twice as large as it does today. "We only see this kind of activity at Robson Square now," he says, "on 4/20."

Milkovich's job, then, is a deeply personal one: to redeem the work of the father. The crumbling fountain at Georgia is being evaluated, since it dominates and obscures massive gatherings (and would be onerously expensive to repair); certainly greenery will remain a key element. Above all, Milkovich wants to keep things simple and open so that the square can do what it's meant to: serve as our greatest stage and place of assembly-a proper agora.

He's not going to do it alone. He's teamed with the Hapa Collaborative (a landscape design firm run by Joe Fry), Lance Berelowitz (of the Urban Forum Associates), and Matthew Soules, a young outside-the-box architect. The group, commissioned by the city, is working with a modest $3.2 million budget. Construction, which starts in July 2014 and will last up to eight months, was preceded by open houses in October where three potential designs were offered up to the public.
http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Features/Back_To_Square_One?page=0%2C1
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2013, 7:13 PM
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Yeah, its too bad Robson sq. doesn't have a metro stop or that the city didn't push for it during Canada line construction or the rebuild of Eaton into Nordstrom etc.

Opportunity lost, but could it still be done?
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2013, 7:31 PM
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For a future Arbutus line, possibly under Hornby, but not under Howe because the truck tunnel is there (unless it is bored very deep).
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Sort of related (since I think it was built at the same time as Robson Square...??) but has anyone ever seen pictures of the Howe St truck tunnel during construction (or afterward, for that matter)? My Google skills failed to turn anything up.
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2013, 11:08 PM
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May I? .... Thanks .....

Like a fish cooked on a grill, I have stopped flip-flopping.
In my last long post, I concluded by adding that none of the three
really does it for me.

Does the choice HAVE TO BE between the three designs presented?
I cannot really go for any of them.

If asked what I would put instead, I'd probably say a loose variation on the active edge version, with the plaza and sidewalk permeable, withe perhaps a recangular fountain (be it in a rocky bed, or otherwise designed) two places where the plaza and the sidewalk meet openly and easily, then perhaps another, smaller fountain at the corners and/or a small grove of trees like scotch pines or such (not deciduous; too bleak too much of the year), all of which would leave a lot of plaza space. If planted more trees is insisted upon, I'd limit it to something like the trees along the Hornby side of Robson Square; tight and disciplined rows, preferably not deciduous. Sculptured pines might do it. others will disagree on that, no doubt.

As for the plaza itself, I would remove the planting beneath the Art Gallery front windows and put in square reflecting pools that were rectangular, not protruding outward past the steps (let alone the lions) but sufficient to reflect light upon the building at night.

It would be important in my mind to illuminate the building, to honor its beauty and elegance, and this can be achieved largely through lighting,
(and a regular building scrub-up)

For the plaza itself, I think it's important not to clash with the building, and something like matching Robson Square paving stones, made of the same concrete would be as good as anything else. Perhaps even Bloor Street-style striping with another material might be elegant, as long as it goes well with the Art Gallery, (the roof of which is copper oxide green, opening the possibility of green granite elements or such - but that's up to the designers.

Regarding flowers and other planting, there could be a "node"(s) built for clumps of flowers and greenery, along the Howe and Hornby sides of the plaza. They'd be big enough to be noticeably pretty, small enough to leave
optimal plaza space.

The plaza should be somewhat polyvalent; suitable for large gatherings whatever the context, but also a place of mid-town repose, with the option of chairs, tables, and cappuccino bars on good afternoons (yeah. That, too.) People will want to take pix, especially when Nordström's reflective wall is installed. To relax and eat at lunch hour.

A place for everybody. Non-gimmicky, not overpowering in the design elements, but yet with a certain (I hope) "crispness" of design, and a place to appreciate the beauty of the centrepiece, and just to be.
In a way, perhaps just a little, the "Trafalgar Square" of Vancouver.
OK, fire when ready.

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Old Posted Dec 11, 2013, 4:58 AM
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Some Christmassy photos from last December. I really like the Robson Square and the roof of Law Courts.







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Old Posted Dec 11, 2013, 8:11 AM
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Yeah its definitely one of my favourite spots in the city. Its even better that most people dont seem to know about (or appreciate) it.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2013, 9:56 AM
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The Christmas lighting at the law courts last year seems better than this year's.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2013, 3:01 PM
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What's that I see? Lights on at the Residences at Georgia? It's a Christmas miracle.
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Lol that's true.... However, where is the light feature? Already been turned off? Lol pathetic
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2013, 3:23 PM
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The Christmas lighting at the law courts last year seems better than this year's.
Those lights are actually year-round and as far as I can tell, they haven't changed from last year.

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Lol that's true.... However, where is the light feature? Already been turned off? Lol pathetic
Those photos are from last December.
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Lol that's true.... However, where is the light feature? Already been turned off? Lol pathetic
It was on this morning. Lol pathetic, indeed.
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Those photos are from last December.
Oh wow I didn't realize people were living in there last December lol
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2013, 1:51 AM
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Oh wow I didn't realize people were living in there last December lol
Those were the good times when it was still under construction and there the lights were turned on for the workmen on many floors. Now that a handful of people people are actually living there, there are a lot less lights turned on in the evening.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Those lights are actually year-round and as far as I can tell, they haven't changed from last year.



Those photos are from last December.
Go take a look, you will notice that unlike your first pic taken last year, that stretch isn't lit this year. Even other parts don't seem as densely lit this year.
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