BC Place: Stadium Refurbishment | Completed - Page 250

officedweller · #**4981** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 9:54 PM**

Staff report for the DPB meeting on Dec 16th is up.

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/committees...d-39-smithe-street-DE417276-20131216.pdf

Seems like the remaining issues are ensuring there is enough exit room on the BC Place concourse (since the project will block part of the concourse), and a shift in the angle of the tall tower which caused it to encroach on a view cone.

Here are some floorplans. I'm disappointed there's no "show theatre" like at River Rock.

Ground floor with Hotel lobbies and BC Place loading docks:

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Level 2 - Casino floor:

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Level 3 - Casino floor:

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Level 4 - Ballrooms:

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Level 5 - Mezzanine health club / spa

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Level 6 - Roof terrace:
One of the Hotel Lobbies on on the roof terrace.

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Level 7 - Tower floorplates:
Note the two south towers are connected, requiring only one elevator core.
Also note that the tall tower (closest to BC Place, has no rooms fronting the Northern Lights display).

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Here's the view cone encroachment (right hand edge of envelope)
requiring a shifting or redesign of the taller tower.

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The Landscape Plans shows the pedestrian circulation around the site and though the building.
So when you hit the dead-end on the councourse, you should continue through the building to get to Pacfic Blvd:

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Landscape Plan of heavily planted and treed roof terrace:

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Swimming Pool is on the roof of the shorter south tower:

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Elevations anbd Cross-Sections:

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Huge internal atrium:

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LeftCoaster · #**4982** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 10:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Here are some floorplans. I'm disappointed there's no "show theatre" like at River Rock.

I'm actually quite happy there isn't. I'd rather the shows go to the existing theatres rather than be subsidized by the casino leading to the downfall of Vancouver's stock of much more handsome historic theatres.

WarrenC12 · #**4983** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 10:10 PM**

I didn't realize the casino would be so close to BC Place and the outdoor concourse. Looks great to me.

officedweller · #**4984** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 10:36 PM**

Yeah, I figure that's why there's no show theatre.

The podium gets really really close to the stadium (also because the stadium facade pokes out in places), but the towers are set back farther. Not sure how claustrophobic it may be on the south side (concourse looks to be narrowed to half current width, although it's a dead-end so won't be used much).

nefc · #**4985** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 11:43 PM**

From the staff report, regarding the concourse layout:

"Staff are concerned about the proposed new layout of the Stadium concourse with respect to its overall functionality as a major thoroughfare for large, tight crowds before and after stadium events, as well as to the resulting lack of visual amenity for pedestrians when travelling on this portion of the redesigned concourse. As such, staff look for an overall design strategy to accommodate stadium events that is equal or better than the existing condition."

dleung · #**4986** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 12:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

The Landscape Plans shows the pedestrian circulation around the site and though the building.
So when you hit the dead-end on the councourse, you should continue through the building to get to Pacfic Blvd:

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They shouldn't have narrowed the concourse or limited the main path of travel to through the complex... this is sort of dooming the southern most-exposed side of the stadium to remain as a concrete bunker.

I still think no building sharing the same block with BC place should be any higher than the concrete rim of the stadium itself.

officedweller · #**4987** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 2:24 AM**

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I still think no building sharing the same block with BC place should be any higher than the concrete rim of the stadium itself.

At least the podium is fully below the Northern Lights display. Skinnier towers would have helped with sightlines to the stadium, but the view cone killed that possibility.

Here's the another diagram from the report - but it ignores the fact that people will exit the stadium and walk diagonally through the casino.
People headed to the Plaza of Nations will be diverted to Smithe Street, onto the street grid, which could be a good thing
(esp if Smithe St., with the casino and One Pacific are supposed to be an entertainment zone with restaurants, etc.).

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Jebby · #**4988** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Here's the another diagram from the report - but it ignores the fact that people will exit the stadium and walk diagonally through the casino.

Aren't the casino and stadium exits on different floors?

officedweller · #**4989** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 3:09 AM**

Yup - the concourse is on level 2.
You'd just use the stairs and escalators inside the building instead of the stairs outside the building - so it would be a question of walking around the outside of the building or dodging some casino tables when walking through the building.

Joat · #**4990** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 3:21 AM**

Is this project going to get its own thread?

Also, is the casino likely to retain the edgewater name? Maybe it will be given a vegas brand name? I guess that could also depends on who the hotel tenants will be.

officedweller · #**4991** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 4:00 AM**

Agreed, I think it should get a new thread

Jimbo604 · #**4992** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 4:32 AM**

One idea would be for the city to try and use this upcoming development permit application to motivate BC Pavilion Corp to come into compliance with its giant non-conforming electronic signs that it has outside of the stadium right now.

Graham_Yvr · #**4993** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 2:34 AM**

Development Permit Approved!

http://globalnews.ca/news/1034421/city-o...-new-edgewater-casino-and-hotel-complex/

officedweller · #**4994** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 2:56 AM**

Nice!

Prometheus · #**4995** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 4:28 AM**

Good to hear.

Here is another rendering:

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/city/ca...ized-edgewater-casino-bc-place-live-blog

Prometheus · #**4996** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 6:37 AM**

Apparently, the story is not over yet.

The DPB's approval seems to be conditional. Paragon apparently must satisfy a number of conditions, including developing an approved strategy for mitigating gambling addiction, limiting access to alcohol and the availability and number of ATMs, etc. The issue still has to go back to city council in January and the mayor is vowing to block construction if Paragon does not meet the conditions. The mayor also vows to pass by-laws that prevent any possible future expansion of gambling on the site, possibly by limiting the proposal's floor space.

Here is the mayor's statement:

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I have been very clear that I am opposed to any expansion of gambling in the City of Vancouver. Today’s decision by the Development Permit Board ensures that the proponent will have to align operations with the concerns raised in the recent Provincial Health Officer’s Report on Gambling.

Before a new casino can begin construction, the proponents have to come back with a plan that addresses the health concerns raised by Dr. Perry Kendall. If they don’t, it cannot proceed.

I’m pleased to see the DP Board direction to the applicant to develop a management plan that will address Dr. Kendall’s recommendations, including issues such as access to alcohol, the availability and number of ATMs at the casino, and the need for a public health strategy to minimize risk and harm.

These steps go far beyond anything previously mandated by the city when it comes to gaming and public health.

Even with these conditions to the development permit, I’ve heard clear concerns from the community about the potential for future councils to expand gambling.

Given these public concerns, many of which were raised at today’s Development Permit Board meeting, I will ask City staff to identify further measures to prevent any expansion of gambling in the future on this site, including amendments to by-laws or the Northeast False Creek Official Development Plan that will restrict the allowable casino floor space to the existing proposal.

http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized...autions-to-ensure-no-gambling-expansion/

rsxstock · #**4997** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 6:40 AM**

finally a stylish-ish building in vancouver

jlousa · #**4998** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 7:25 AM**

I'm sure the Mayor is aware the no council can limit decisions of future councils.

Prometheus · #**4999** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 7:29 AM**

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I'm sure the Mayor is aware the no council can limit decisions of future councils.

But could council at this stage force Paragon to build a structure with smaller floor space, i.e., physically limiting gaming expansion at that site forever?

Zassk · #**5000** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 7:34 AM**

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But could council at this stage force Paragon to build a structure with smaller floor space, i.e., physically limiting gaming expansion at that site forever?

I'm confused. Is the existing proposal (including floor space) approved or not approved? If it is approved then it seems like there would be no further opportunities to restrict floor space.