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Old Posted Nov 26, 2013, 2:42 AM
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The Ottawa stadium is pretty good when you take into account the realities of that market. The CFL has gone bust there twice in the last two decades, and that has no doubt taken a real toll on the size of the potential fanbase. I wouldn't expect to see a brand new 30,000 seat stadium there, as nice as that would be. A new and attractive southside grandstand plus a renovated north stand seem pretty reasonable to me under the circumstances, and the location is tough to beat.

The difference with Hamilton is that I think most peoples' expectations were higher given that it is a well-established CFL market. THF is not bad, but it's the kind of thing you might expect to see get built in a new market with no CFL history whatsoever as opposed to one of the league's oldest markets.
     
     
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Oh no, not winter! Why didn't we plan for that?
Shoot - I knew I forgot something when I was working on the stadium

     
     
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Shoot - I knew I forgot something when I was working on the stadium
You fool! You know it gets cold and snows in Canada! Tu est stupide! Ve vill never finish zee stadium now!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2013, 2:59 AM
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The difference with Hamilton is that I think most peoples' expectations were higher given that it is a well-established CFL market. THF is not bad, but it's the kind of thing you might expect to see get built in a new market with no CFL history whatsoever as opposed to one of the league's oldest markets.
Yes, but they had some rough attendance years as well, so you can't really justify a 30k stadium. And as the article I posted earlier stated, this may be the way things are going, fewer seats and a bar/patio experience.

Ottawa's Jeff Hunt has said he learned from the Renegades' mistakes that if there were ten reasons why the team failed five had to do with the stadium.

Frank Clair Stadium (FCS) did not deliver a pro sports experience ie concessions lineups, washrooms, poor sound system, bench seating and that will be rectified in both THF and the new Ottawa stadium.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2013, 3:13 AM
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^Don't the Gee Gees have a new stadium? Could be a quick and dirty solution.

As for these new stadiums being ugly, Ottawa's new field has some interesting architectural features and the project as a whole seems quite good. THF is neither ugly, nor is it beautiful, it just is.
The Gee-Gees stadium doesn't even seat 5,000 I think so it is not even an option.

There is no stadium larger than that in the Ottawa-Gatineau area and beyond that the biggest stadium in eastern Ontario is probably Richardson Stadium at Queen's University in Kingston which seats less than 10,000 and is more than 2 hours away. It's half the size of Guelph where the Ticats played this year.

Aside from that there are stadiums in Montreal but if you played there you'd get your mom and your girlfriend in attendance and that's about it.
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Mosaic Stadium -- Regina


Leader-Post photojournalist Troy Fleece captured a zoomable panorama from the north endzone of the CFL's 101st Grey Cup
at Mosaic Stadium in Regina.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2013, 3:16 PM
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As old and outdated as Taylor Field is, the Riders have done a pretty good job of improving its overall appearance. Between the endzone seating, improved lighting and the big jumbotrons, it looks a lot better than it did a decade ago.

Taylor Field has certainly earned its place in Canadian sports lore... it's easily the most historic and iconic sports venue in Western Canada.
     
     
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One thing that bugged me on Sunday was the field markings, especially the new ones covering over the old ones

I appreciate the need for sponsorship – but surely there has to be a better way than that.
     
     
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One thing that bugged me on Sunday was the field markings, especially the new ones covering over the old ones

I appreciate the need for sponsorship – but surely there has to be a better way than that.
Is that what's showing underneath the "Tiger-cats" marking in the endzone? (from the pic posted above)
     
     
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Is that what's showing underneath the "Tiger-cats" marking in the endzone? (from the pic posted above)
I think the worst one was the faded word "Mosaic" at the middle of the field that obviously they tried to erase but unsuccessfully. The Grey Cup logo was placed over top of it but the two ends of Mosaic were still sticking out on either side.
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Is that what's showing underneath the "Tiger-cats" marking in the endzone? (from the pic posted above)
I assumed that was the Regina Rams logo/name they covered up there.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2013, 4:11 PM
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I think the worst one was the faded word "Mosaic" at the middle of the field that obviously they tried to erase but unsuccessfully. The Grey Cup logo was placed over top of it but the two ends of Mosaic were still sticking out on either side.
Part of the problem is that it turned to record-breaking cold temps and getting the paint to dry properly was an issue.

I wasn't really distracted by it, but I guess it was a bigger deal to some of you.


Something else I heard discussed though, was the product placement Kubota got... Ti-cat O-lineman, Dyakowski, got injured basically on top of the Kubota field ad... and was carted off the field in a Kubota cart. I was at the game, so i don't know if Kubota had an ad play on TV near that point as well.
     
     
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I assumed that was the Regina Rams logo/name they covered up there.
3 logos are normally there. Regina Rams, Riders, and City of Regina.
     
     
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Except Winnipeg had their old stadium to play in so not really all that much of a fiasco. Ottawa has nothing else and Hamilton has a dinky stadium in Guelph and their losses were heavily subsidized by the other teams.
A fiasco in terms of a lot of promises made to season ticket holders and the stadium not being ready. I didn't mean in terms of finding no place to play.
     
     
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Something else I heard discussed though, was the product placement Kubota got... Ti-cat O-lineman, Dyakowski, got injured basically on top of the Kubota field ad... and was carted off the field in a Kubota cart. I was at the game, so i don't know if Kubota had an ad play on TV near that point as well.
Coincidence? He wasn't named the smartest man in Canada for nothing, probably had a piece of the action

Hope he fully recovers.
     
     
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One thing that bugged me on Sunday was the field markings, especially the new ones covering over the old ones

I appreciate the need for sponsorship – but surely there has to be a better way than that.
There could be, this is almost to the day, seven years ago - elly

Field of Screens
Monte Burke Forbes.com November 27, 2006

In a few years NFL gridirons will become their own Jumbotrons. "Turf TV" might put the plasma in the den to shame.

Imagine this: you pull in your driveway after a long day at the office, step out of your car, and suddenly your lawn, yes, your lawn, lights up with a "Welcome Home, Honey!" Or how about this: The military has a runway deep in enemy territory that it wants to keep from getting blown up, so it changes the color of the landing turf to brown to blend in with the surrounding desert. When a plane comes in for a landing, two strips of lights appear. After the plane has landed, with a push of a button the strip reverts to camouflage mode.

Sounds cool, right? This technology will be available soon, making its grand entrance as a National Football League field. Mark Nicholls, the founder and chief executive of Sportexe, the number two maker of artificial turf in the NFL, has patented the process of "tufting" fiber optics with blades of plastic grass. "We will be able to turn the football field into a giant Jumbotron," says Nicholls.

A field can display a huge American flag during the national anthem. At halftime a sponsor such as Budweiser could cover the field with its logo. During the game, that virtual first-down marker you see on your TV could now be on the field itself before the ball is snapped. And because sensors beneath the fibers can sense when any given blade's light is obscured, referees can track the footsteps of a player to determine if he was in-bounds or not. Stadium owners would welcome the technology as well, as it would help them get more use out of the field: A few mouse clicks is all it takes to change the field from a gridiron to a soccer pitch. Compare that to the 2.5-hour, $650 process of cleaning and repainting lines on today's artificial fields.

Sportexe's interactive field is merely the latest salvo in the escalating artificial turf wars. AstroTurf, that pale green, postmodern creation of the 1960s, loathed by players and TV-viewers alike, is gone from NFL stadiums. It's been replaced by what's known as "in-fill" turf systems, which cover a football field with 50 million to 70 million 2.5-inch-tall blades of "grass" made from polyethylene, cushioned by a mixture of rubber pellets and silica that acts as the dirt. The in-fill fields look and feel more like natural grass; one company even supplies a spray that smells like freshly mowed grass.

The new fields claim to be softer and more forgiving than AstroTurf, which was a nylon rug laid over a shock-absorbing pad and concrete. The players like them better, too. But James Bradley, the Pittsburgh Steelers' chief physician, says not enough research has been done on the new fields to validate a safety advantage. "I'd still prefer to see every game played on grass," he says.

The in-fill system was patented in 1981 by a former professional golfer named Frederick Haas to make truer hitting surfaces in tee boxes. Its potential for sports fields was realized early on, but AstroTurf so dominated the artificial turf market that it wasn't until 2002 that the first in-fill field was installed in the NFL, at Seattle's Seahawks Stadium (now called Qwest Field). All 12 of the 31 NFL stadiums with artificial turf now use in-fill systems. In-fill systems are also found at baseball stadiums and town parks, and were recently approved by the Fédération Internationale de Football Association for World Cup soccer qualifying matches.

FieldTurf in Montreal (revenue: $235 million), run by a former Canadian Football League quarterback, is the market leader with eight stadiums, including Ford Field in Detroit, host of last year's Super Bowl, the first ever played on an in-fill surface. FieldTurf says it has built 1,900 sports fields and 150 fields in town parks. The town of Redding, Calif. recently built four in-fill fields. Sportexe, in Fonthill, Ont. (revenue: $50 million), is the distant number two, with 300 fields, 2 of them for the NFL.

But Sportexe, 40% owned by former Baltimore Ravens owner Art Modell, believes the future of turf is interactive. Here's how its "turf TV" works: A computer sends an image to the field, where it is distributed among 1,750 interconnected square trays, 7.5 feet on a side, that host their own light processing circuitry. Thousands of blades of polyethylene grass, blended with optical fibers, reflect light upward from the trays. It's like a computer monitor that you can walk on. A football field would have 128 million pixels, which works out to 1,280 per square foot. In pixels per square foot it can't hold a candle to your television set; in total pixels it's well ahead.

Unlike your flat screen at home, this display is equipped to withstand the impact of a 380-pound lineman. The blades are conducting light, not electricity, so athletes can't be electrocuted on rainy days, even if they're losing badly.

At $1.5 million, the purchase price of an interactive field will be three times that of an unilluminated in-fill field and eight times that of a natural grass field. But Sportexe's Nicholls points out that the ten-year maintenance bill on grass can approach $1 million, 20 times the cost of maintaining an in-fill field. A stadium owner may be able to pay the mortgage on the interactive grass with ad revenue or host more events if the field lines can be changed so easily and rapidly.

Nicholls says the lit-up fields are still two years away from commercialization. The technology, though, is already being employed, most notably on artificial Christmas trees.

"The technology isn't really that amazing," he says. "It's just that no one's done it on a field yet."
     
     
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^Interesting.
I remember Lyle Bauer talking about this when he was Stampeders president. Apparently the company was pushing hard when McMahon replaced their turf, even willing to subsidize the cost in order to get a football installation. In the end the Stamps didn't want to be the ginny pigs and went the conventional route.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this technology installed in NFL stadiums in the future.
     
     
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Ottawa REDBLACKS just released their seat selection software online. Now we can take a good look at the stadium in all its glory from any angle!

http://www.seats3d.com/cfl/ottawa_redblacks/#/p_aa_2/
     
     
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