BC Place: Stadium Refurbishment | Completed - Page 248

spm2013 · #**4941** Posted **Sep 25, 2013, 6:18 AM**

The design doesn't fit in downtown Vancouver, but it's fine in the weird world of False Creek with Science World and BC Place. I just hope the city encourages some supplemental development next door to make it a true urban resort.

officedweller · #**4942** Posted **Sep 25, 2013, 7:53 PM**

I don't mind the reflective glass - the one thing that I don't like too much is the massing.

It should have some curves to it to mimic the bowl of BC Place - i.e. like a narrower or a stepping version of the Wynn, Las Vegas.

But the problem is that the buildings are being shoehorned onto a small site with height restrictions.

PaperTiger · #**4943** Posted **Sep 25, 2013, 8:31 PM**

I agree, the massing is weird. For me it comes from having the massive slab for the convention/casino space on the same plane as the nubby (Technical term. Look it up.) towers.

Some kind of stepping or articulation might help. Additional height would definitely also help.

officedweller · #**4944** Posted **Sep 25, 2013, 9:08 PM**

That plane is also a result of the straightening of Terry Fox Way / Smithe St. - which is really no longer necessary since it won't connect westwards to downtown.

But with One Pacific there, there's nothing they can do about it now to give the project a bit more width.

djh · #**4945** Posted **Sep 25, 2013, 9:46 PM**

It's interesting that all of the renders forget to draw-in even an opaque render of the One Pacific development that will be going in across the (quite narrow) new road from this (might even be a cul-de-sac; I see that's modelled though). So the residents of One Pacific will be staring at a multi-floor shiny wall...! As officedweller speculated in that thread, there's a possibility that the jumbotron gets relocated from against BC Place; wouldn't it be fun if it gets moved onto/integrated into that huge blank wall....

Another thought for the future residents of One Pacific. They'll presumably be sharing that cul-de-sac with pick-ups and drop-offs to the hotel/casino complex. If that junction is managed well, fine. Is there potential for that to be a bit of a logjam at peak hours? 2-3 residential towers at rush hour, plus 2 hotels doing arrivals/departures, plus a casino running at all-hours? Plus commercial vehicles...

Edit: I actually like the boldness of the design. They have some real challenges with the space they have - fully-utilizing a given FSR without completely ruining the view of an already iconic building, but also creating something interesting in itself. As somebody else mentioned, when you see the building in context of the interesting other buildings along SEFC (Science World and the existing Edgewater building), I think it's appropriate to have a design that is so non-practical and artistic. So with some refinements - e.g., some more curves to reflect BC Place, as was mentioned, it could really work there.

Klazu · #**4946** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 1:14 AM**

I am happy that the city will be getting it's first J.W. Marriott with this project. Ritz-Carlton seems to be really missing out on the apparently lucrative local splurge accommodation market.

EdinVan · #**4947** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 2:29 AM**

It's upsetting that the city and province are going out of their way to ensure that most views of BC Place are blocked. It's a great structure that deserves to be showcased, not hidden.

WarrenC12 · #**4948** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 5:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by EdinVan

It's upsetting that the city and province are going out of their way to ensure that most views of BC Place are blocked. It's a great structure that deserves to be showcased, not hidden.

Please detail the ways in which the city and province are "going out of their way to ensure that most views of BC Place are blocked".

This is only a proposal by a 3rd party that has yet to get any approval from any level of government.

cjohnny4 · #**4949** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 3:53 PM**

We build a beautiful new stadium and then do everything we can to try to hide it from view. That is the most disappointing thing to me. And yes, have they considered how bright those LED lights are? No one gonna get any sleep in those rooms facing the stadium!

osirisboy · #**4950** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 5:12 PM**

It's called curtains. Seriously I'm surprised how many people forget about the invention of window coverings

Denscity · #**4951** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 10:11 PM**

The only way to leave BC Place unhidden is to have acres of parking lots or fields surrounding the stadium. Please no.

spm2013 · #**4952** Posted **Sep 28, 2013, 10:41 PM**

Or they could build a new stadium 200 feet in the sky. It will be wonderful.

idunno · #**4953** Posted **Sep 29, 2013, 2:12 PM**

Hahahaha or just put it 'on top of a mountain!'

VanCityDeveloper · #**4954** Posted **Sep 30, 2013, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

The only way to leave BC Place unhidden is to have acres of parking lots or fields surrounding the stadium. Please no.

exactly...then you'd have Rexall Place and the Northlands complex in Edmonton...no Thank You.

connect2source · #**4955** Posted **Sep 30, 2013, 6:47 PM**

Just returned from Barcelona and this is truly a hot piece of architecture and would be perfectly at home alone Barcelona's beachfront, specifically around The Forum

http://www.localnomad.com/en/blog/wp-con.../museo-blau-edificio-forum-barcelona.jpg

It's is a shame, however, to completely hide BC Place but at least they'll be something amazing to look at in it's place.

officedweller · #**4956** Posted **Oct 8, 2013, 8:44 PM**

Paragon's proposal is now up at the City's website - including floorplans:

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/developmentservices/devapps/39smithe/index.htm

jlousa · #**4957** Posted **Oct 8, 2013, 9:10 PM**

Open house on the 15th

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Please join Dundee Corp., 360 Vox Corp. and Paragon Development Ltd. at this Community Open House to discuss design plans for 39 Smithe Street (also known as Site10a).

The partnership, Paragon Holdings (Smithe Street) ULC, has submitted a Preliminary Development Permit Application to the City of Vancouver, which will seek to create a unique mixed-use building to further invigorate the downtown entertainment district. Vancouver’s Urban Resort will include two hotels, conference space, restaurants and lounges, gym and spa, and the relocation, as approved by the City Council on November 29, 2011, of the Edgewater Casino.

The open house will be a “drop-in” event where you can view the proposed project as submitted to City of Vancouver’s Planning and Development Services Department on September 25, 2013 for the Preliminary Development Permit Application. The applicant team will be available to answer your questions and receive your comments. We look forward to hearing your thoughts. Your feedback will become part of the consultation record which will be considered by City Staff and the Development Permit Board.

Community Open House Information:
Date: Tuesday, October 15th, 2013
Time: 5pm - 8pm
Location: The Georgian Court Hotel – the Club Room
773 Beatty Street, Vancouver, BC

GeeCee · #**4958** Posted **Oct 16, 2013, 1:21 PM**

Did anyone here attend?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...town-casino-plans-in-vancouver-1.2065034

officedweller · #**4959** Posted **Nov 19, 2013, 12:32 AM**

UDP minutes for the casino project are finally up:

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/committees/minutes-urban-design-panel-20131023.pdf

Joat · #**4960** Posted **Nov 20, 2013, 3:14 AM**

I like the design a lot. I hope they don't try to hide the fact that its a casino too much. Id love to see some vegas style lights and signs.

So this casino will have the same number of slots and tables as the current edgewater?