ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[Ant131531]

I don't know...this is the biggest project so far in like 3-4 years if it comes to fruition. I'm excited. The 5th/Peachtree project needs to get it's act together....if done right, that area will begin to hit critical mass.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by briantech

A whole foods would be awesome.... but I think even better would be something like this:



There's already a publix right on 9th st. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a more upscale grocer in the neighborhood too, but I think whats more sorely lacking is an actual general-availability retailer like Target. That has normal clothes and housewares and shit you just need on a daily basis.

that building is super cool.

i agree that midtown needs a real grocery store and not a high-end charcuterie epicurean yttrium nitrate.

that's one thing that i'm worried about with all the new development is midtown becoming a neighbourhood for the rich and powerful only. obviously, we aren't there yet, but i would love to see more affordable housing in the new units; if done correctly, it would not even have to be taxpayer funded.

imagine a luxury unit— 1000 or so square feet, at a price of $1500 per month. on the floor above, they could simply have half-sized units, 500 square feet a piece, for $750 a month— that's only a little more than what section 8 provides for rent. make those smaller units have an income verification requirement, and bada-bing, bada-boom, you've got the same amount of money coming in for the same space, no need for taxpayer funded rent control, and you have a guaranteed mixed-income community. that's progress.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

that building is super cool.

Isn't it wonderful? One of Louis Sullivan's true masterpieces.

http://outofchicago.com/photographing-the-architecture-of-the-carson-pirie-scott-building/

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by micropundit

they painted a picture of the smells of food wafting up into the lobby from the grocery store below— i can't stress how much of a non-lobby this is really, it's more like an urban mall, something you'd find in new york or tokyo.

I used to live near Shibuya-eki, and I'd love to see an urban mall like what I saw there. The bakery downstairs could be smelled floors above!

[ATLaffinity]

OMG, Cobb County taxpayers ponying up $8,670,000 PER YEAR...over 30 years.

Braves Stadium PDF

That's unreal given their education cuts. This isn't hotel/motel. This is just taking away from basic services to pay for the stadium.

I like the $400,000 per year from car rentals...in Cobb County.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

Isn't it wonderful? One of Louis Sullivan's true masterpieces.

http://outofchicago.com/photographing-the-architecture-of-the-carson-pirie-scott-building/

That is a totally gorgeous building.

Of course we have some fine old buildings ourselves. Just imagine what a grocery store in the old Rich's building would look like.

Some day, I hope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:View_o...ent_Store,_45_Broad_Street,_Atlanta.jpeg

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by UVAsuperman

No matter how you feel about the location of where the Braves play, the traffic implications, the economics behind it, the politics behind it (and any related racial or socioeconomic issues), we on this forum should recognize that building a new stadium with a promise of related mixed use development and the City having a big plot of land very close to the downtown core available for new development is a great thing for prospective construction activity in Atlanta over the next say five years. Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about the move yet (I grew up as a Braves fan--was 10 years old in '91 and fondly remember games and the ticker tape parade--and grew up in West Cobb, but now I live intown, so I kindof get both sides of the debate). But more than anything I am excited about two large undeveloped areas (60 acres at 75/285 and the Ted and surrounding parking lots) possibly getting well-designed medium- to high-density mixed use development. I do think the GM site makes more sense for the Braves based on the express motives... but that site represents yet a third big undeveloped parcel on the horizon. Exciting times when it comes to construction activity.

I have to question who would want to live next to 75/85...that doesn't seem like an ideal place for any kind of residential development.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by L41A

I think you misread TarHeelJ. He didn't bring up Lakewood. Scania did. He was indeed speaking of the areas in the immediate vicinity of Turner Field (Summerhill, Peoplestown). But I don't disagree that game attendees from Cobb County and others who just come to the area just for the games may draw their opinions solely from that gameday experience

Thank you. I wasn't going to comment anymore on that subject, but thanks for clearing it up.

[thebigATL]

1138 Peachtree is a good development...Do anyone know how its going to look like and when their building it.Because I saw a few years ago it was going to be something right their but never suceed. But i found the pictures











and has anybody heard anything about the 50 allen plaza???I Really would love to see that get build

[UVAsuperman]

I have to question who would want to live next to 75/85...that doesn't seem like an ideal place for any kind of residential development.

The same people who live at Aqua, Plaza Midtown, new developments planned on Spring, GT and GSU student housing, Twelve Centenial Park, Gables Midtown, and the list goes on.

[thebigATL]

Lenox Square Apartments Still in Limbo (But Have A Rendering!)
Friday, November 15, 201http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/11/15/lenox-square-apartments-still-in-limbo-but-have-a-rendering.php#more3, by Jackie Goldstein



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[Image via Georgia Globe Design]
A proposed apartment project in the shadow of Buckhead's Lenox Square mall remains stuck in permit purgatory — but a rendering of the two-building development has surfaced. The Atlanta Business Chronicle reported over the summer that Simon (owners of Lenox and several other malls in the metro and elsewhere) was planning to resurrect the $250-million luxury apartment project originally proposed in 2006. Six months after the news originally broke, though, the project is in the same spot it was: in the middle of the special administrative permit process. "The developer is still working through that process with the City of Atlanta," attorney Jessica Hill said, "so there are not any updates to provide at this stage."

If and when it happens, what appears to be two connected towers would go up on the lot that's currently a small park behind Bloomingdale's. A rendering tracked down by blogger Wayne Daniel Anderson shows two modernist-style buildings, with Phase I standing at 400 feet and Phase II at 450. According to Anderson, they would combine to offer a total of 750 one-, two- and three-bed apartments. The development was first conceived as more of a condo destination. Regardless, it would fit in nicely with Lenox Square's new $10-million facade and onslaught and new tenants.
—By Curbed Atlanta contributor Tyler Estep

[Zanarkand A East]

List of Braves' terms for lease renewal and development of area around Turner Field:

Exclusive: Documents reveal Braves wish list for Turner Field (AJC)

The biggest issue seemed to be getting AFCRA out of the picture as middle man.

Notable:

• No fast food restaurants other than one (1) coffee shop (e.g. Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks).
• No third party retail may sell Braves merchandise or tickets within the development.
• Limit to two (2) sports bars and two (2) fine dining restaurants within the development and must be on the northern part of the development a minimum of 1,600 feet from front gates of Turner Field.
• Development must include deck parking to accommodate 8,600 cars for use during all games by ANLBC.
• Development must include additional transit options (maglev, light rail, bus, trolley, etc.) and ingress and egress improvements.
• Capital Improvements listed in Exhibit C to be made to Turner Field in 3 phases – 2016, 2017 and 2018. (Exhibit C not included)
• ANLBC to fund $50M of improvements, AFCRA to fund $50M and City/County to fund other $50M over the 3-year period (2016 – 2018).
• Capital Improvements going forward after 2018 to be funded 50/50 by ANLBC and AFCRA/City/County until such time as development is generating annual minimums set forth above ($10,000,000) after which time ANLBC will assume 100% of Capital Improvement funding obligation.

Phase One
• 250 Apartment Homes
• 175 Hotel Rooms
• 25 Condo and Townhome Units
• 10,000 feet of retail square footage
• 50,000 feet of restaurant/entertainment square footage

Phase Two
• 250 Apartment Homes
• 200 Hotel Rooms
• 25 Condo and Townhome Units
• 10,000 feet of retail square footage
• 75,000 Office space square footage
• 50,000 feet of restaurant/entertainment square footage

[ATLaffinity]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

List of Braves' terms for lease renewal and development of area around Turner Field:

Exclusive: Documents reveal Braves wish list for Turner Field (AJC)

The biggest issue seemed to be getting AFCRA out of the picture as middle man.
Notable:

• No fast food restaurants other than one (1) coffee shop (e.g. Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks).
• No third party retail may sell Braves merchandise or tickets within the development.
• Limit to two (2) sports bars and two (2) fine dining restaurants within the development and must be on the northern part of the development a minimum of 1,600 feet from front gates of Turner Field.
• Development must include deck parking to accommodate 8,600 cars for use during all games by ANLBC.
• Development must include additional transit options (maglev, light rail, bus, trolley, etc.) and ingress and egress improvements.
• Capital Improvements listed in Exhibit C to be made to Turner Field in 3 phases – 2016, 2017 and 2018. (Exhibit C not included)
• ANLBC to fund $50M of improvements, AFCRA to fund $50M and City/County to fund other $50M over the 3-year period (2016 – 2018).
• Capital Improvements going forward after 2018 to be funded 50/50 by ANLBC and AFCRA/City/County until such time as development is generating annual minimums set forth above ($10,000,000) after which time ANLBC will assume 100% of Capital Improvement funding obligation.

Phase One
• 250 Apartment Homes
• 175 Hotel Rooms
• 25 Condo and Townhome Units
• 10,000 feet of retail square footage
• 50,000 feet of restaurant/entertainment square footage

Phase Two
• 250 Apartment Homes
• 200 Hotel Rooms
• 25 Condo and Townhome Units
• 10,000 feet of retail square footage
• 75,000 Office space square footage
• 50,000 feet of restaurant/entertainment square footage

• No more than 1 Orange Julius
• No fewer than 3 frozen yogurt concepts
• None of those fucking organic burger joints.
• No chef-driven "small plate" eateries, upscale children's boutiques, Planned Parenthoods, Nordstroms, fixed gear bicycle shops or other establishments that may be offensive or vulgar to the community or Braves’ fans.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

• No more than 1 Orange Julius
• No fewer than 3 frozen yogurt concepts
• None of those fucking organic burger joints.
• No chef-driven "small plate" eateries, upscale children's boutiques, Planned Parenthoods, Nordstroms, fixed gear bicycle shops or other establishments that may be offensive or vulgar to the community or Braves’ fans.

I knew it wouldn't take long for FroYo to be mentioned

[sunking1056]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

• No more than 1 Orange Julius
• No fewer than 3 frozen yogurt concepts
• None of those fucking organic burger joints.
• No chef-driven "small plate" eateries, upscale children's boutiques, Planned Parenthoods, Nordstroms, fixed gear bicycle shops or other establishments that may be offensive or vulgar to the community or Braves’ fans.

Brilliant.

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

• No more than 1 Orange Julius
• No fewer than 3 frozen yogurt concepts
• None of those fucking organic burger joints.
• No chef-driven "small plate" eateries, upscale children's boutiques, Planned Parenthoods, Nordstroms, fixed gear bicycle shops or other establishments that may be offensive or vulgar to the community or Braves’ fans.

Lmao!!

[scania]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

• No more than 1 Orange Julius
• No fewer than 3 frozen yogurt concepts
• None of those fucking organic burger joints.
• No chef-driven "small plate" eateries, upscale children's boutiques, Planned Parenthoods, Nordstroms, fixed gear bicycle shops or other establishments that may be offensive or vulgar to the community or Braves’ fans.

• No adult entertainment clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors, liquor stores, title loan shops, automotive shops or other industrial business or any establishments that may be offensive or vulgar to the community or Braves’ fans.

I don't understand why there's resentment from the Braves list. The list overall would have been great for the area around Turner Field. The improvements, some might say was a little extreme, but until the area was clean it would take some drastic measures before incorporating some of the other businesses that are on the NO list.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

List of Braves' terms for lease renewal and development of area around Turner Field:

Exclusive: Documents reveal Braves wish list for Turner Field (AJC)

The biggest issue seemed to be getting AFCRA out of the picture as middle man.

Notable:

• No fast food restaurants other than one (1) coffee shop (e.g. Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks).
• No third party retail may sell Braves merchandise or tickets within the development.
• Limit to two (2) sports bars and two (2) fine dining restaurants within the development and must be on the northern part of the development a minimum of 1,600 feet from front gates of Turner Field.
• Development must include deck parking to accommodate 8,600 cars for use during all games by ANLBC.
• Development must include additional transit options (maglev, light rail, bus, trolley, etc.) and ingress and egress improvements.
• Capital Improvements listed in Exhibit C to be made to Turner Field in 3 phases – 2016, 2017 and 2018. (Exhibit C not included)
• ANLBC to fund $50M of improvements, AFCRA to fund $50M and City/County to fund other $50M over the 3-year period (2016 – 2018).
• Capital Improvements going forward after 2018 to be funded 50/50 by ANLBC and AFCRA/City/County until such time as development is generating annual minimums set forth above ($10,000,000) after which time ANLBC will assume 100% of Capital Improvement funding obligation.

Phase One
• 250 Apartment Homes
• 175 Hotel Rooms
• 25 Condo and Townhome Units
• 10,000 feet of retail square footage
• 50,000 feet of restaurant/entertainment square footage

Phase Two
• 250 Apartment Homes
• 200 Hotel Rooms
• 25 Condo and Townhome Units
• 10,000 feet of retail square footage
• 75,000 Office space square footage
• 50,000 feet of restaurant/entertainment square footage

Sounds eminently reasonable to me. I would think mixed-use developers in Buckhead and Midtown would have the same guidelines.

Wonder why the city felt that was not sufficient for south downtown?

[SwimAtl]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Sounds eminently reasonable to me. I would think mixed-use developers in Buckhead and Midtown would have the same guidelines.

Wonder why the city felt that was not sufficient for south downtown?

I think the city was working on putting a plan together. I don't think they were 'against' the Braves' plan. The Braves got a perfect deal and took it. We'll never know if the city could have worked something out.

[themaguffin]

More transit options and they choose Cobb "stop Atlanta at the River" County and add maglev as an option. I guess they were giggling when they typed it up.