Nuovo | 58.5m | 20fl | Completed

[gjhall]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

The old renderings looked a lot better. It's too bad at ground level, but overall it's not great. Maybe the design review panel butchered it.

I agree, the old renders looked better...

You guys sound like a bunch of hipsters..."They're first album was better."

The design has evolved from what was really a sketch and amongst other improvements, now it's more colourful.

[gjhall]

Interesting piece in New Home & Condo Guide this week: http://issuu.com/wall2wall/docs/enh_1613/1

Specifically this mention: "and will feature 4,500 sq. ft. of retail space on the ground floor, providing your daily grocery needs."

I wonder what they have in mind?

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by gjhall

Specifically this mention: "and will feature 4,500 sq. ft. of retail space on the ground floor, providing your daily grocery needs."

I wonder what they have in mind?

Well Shopper's Drug Mart can provide "daily grocery needs". They have milk, bread, eggs, frozen foods and some fresh produce like bananas and onions. This area is definitely ripe for one

[J.OT13]

Well, 4,500 square feet is much too small for an actual grocery store. Maybe a Farm Boy?

[S-Man]

There are smaller-format stores I hear about in other, trendier Canadian cities, but....

I fear it might be a Shoppers. Any grocery is good, however. The only food-buying places near that is Abbas Grocery on Bell St. South and Dirienzo's on Beech (and those are hyper-local in terms of customers)

[rocketphish]

Well, this project now has a name: Nuovo

http://www.nuovocondo.ca/

[Urbanarchit]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Well, this project now has a name: Nuovo

http://www.nuovocondo.ca/

Fitting for the neighbourhood, the Little Italy area will become nuovo once all these condos get built and people move in.

[umbria27]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Well, 4,500 square feet is much too small for an actual grocery store. Maybe a Farm Boy?

It's small, but not unreasonably so. From another thread I recall that the Loblaws on Isabella was 6000 square feet. Lose one aisle, half of the checkouts and you'd still have 90% of your grocery needs. We need more urban mini-groceries and fewer super stores.

The newer Shoppers Drug Marts are bigger than many downtown European grocery stores. It would be great to see Loblaws taking over more of the floor space of those.

[waterloowarrior]

sales centre is open, pricing/layouts are online at http://www.nuovocondo.ca/
http://domicile.ca/blog/tour-nuovo-sales-centre/

[teej1984]

The first mention in their features section is that the whole building/property is non-smoking! Interesting selling point.

[JackBauer24]

Originally Posted by umbria27

It's small, but not unreasonably so. From another thread I recall that the Loblaws on Isabella was 6000 square feet. Lose one aisle, half of the checkouts and you'd still have 90% of your grocery needs. We need more urban mini-groceries and fewer super stores.

The newer Shoppers Drug Marts are bigger than many downtown European grocery stores. It would be great to see Loblaws taking over more of the floor space of those.

I was at the sales office last night and the sales woman said that they are leaning towards a "marcado" grocery store - in her words, "an old style italian market place" similar to La Botega in the ByWard Market. Little Italy desperately needs a grocery store, while this type of market may help, it certainly won't fulfill all the grocery needs of the neighbourhood, plus factor in the projects isn't scheduled to be completed until 2017/2018 (and that's not taking into account the inevitable delays almost every new condo experiences).

[JackBauer24]

That is an interesting feature - one of the only condo buildings I know that has this.
I find Domicile, unlike most of the builders in the city, tend to brand their projects in such a fashion that appeals to a specific market group and they aren't afraid to loose potential business from other market segments by designing their projects to cater to that specific group. Case in point, the non-smoking feature - obvious health conscious people would love that, smokers would hate that.
And that seems to be the trend as of late - look at the projects that sell well, they have a specific target market in mind and they install suite and amenity features to appeal to that market. Those that have failed or are failing generally try to appeal to everyone.

Originally Posted by teej1984

The first mention in their features section is that the whole building/property is non-smoking! Interesting selling point.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

sales centre is open, pricing/layouts are online at http://www.nuovocondo.ca/
http://domicile.ca/blog/tour-nuovo-sales-centre/

There are some nice layouts and prices seem decent. Anybody know if it is priced substantially cheaper than Claridge's Icon? Not the best immediate location but still close to lots of stuff and I think it could sell well.

[JackBauer24]

I picked up a price list when I was there last night....

Bachelors (or as they call them 'Pied a Terre Suites') haven't officially been released, but they were sub-400 sq. ft. (I believe the smallest I saw was 340 sq. ft.) and the sales woman said theyll start under $200k - so let's say $190k.
$/sq. ft. = $558

1 bedrooms - there seems to only be 2 styles, one is 609 sq. ft. (starting from $261,400) and the other 680 (starting at $266,600).
$/sq. ft. = $429 and $392

1 + Dens - there also seems to be only 2 styles, one 694 sq. ft. (starting from $304,800), and the other 683 (starting from $274,600).
$/sq. ft. = $439 and 402

2 bedrooms - there are 4 layouts, the smallest is 818 sq. ft. (starting from $338,800) and the biggest is 1065 sq. ft. (starting from $414,500).
$/sq. ft. = $414 and $389

2 bdrm + den - again, 2 different layouts; 1151 sq. ft. (starting from $471,000) and 1120 sq. ft. (starting from $447,100).
$/sq. ft. = $409 and $399

There are penthouses too, but price/square foot isn't a fair way of comparing them.

So all in all, a VERY competitive price/sq. ft. and their spec wasn't bad either. Better than what Hom offered, not quite as good at Soho, but considering the price - it's a very good value.

As for location, I would argue that this location is superior to Icon. Whether the parking garage entrance is on Carling or Preston, either street is going to be a severe pain in the you-know-what to enter/exit. Domicile's project isn't on Preston, but it's a short walk and there are more stores/shops being opened on Rochester and Beech.

Originally Posted by YOWetal

There are some nice layouts and prices seem decent. Anybody know if it is priced substantially cheaper than Claridge's Icon? Not the best immediate location but still close to lots of stuff and I think it could sell well.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by JackBauer24

I picked up a price list when I was there last night....

Bachelors (or as they call them 'Pied a Terre Suites') haven't officially been released, but they were sub-400 sq. ft. (I believe the smallest I saw was 340 sq. ft.) and the sales woman said theyll start under $200k - so let's say $190k.
$/sq. ft. = $558

1 bedrooms - there seems to only be 2 styles, one is 609 sq. ft. (starting from $261,400) and the other 680 (starting at $266,600).
$/sq. ft. = $429 and $392

1 + Dens - there also seems to be only 2 styles, one 694 sq. ft. (starting from $304,800), and the other 683 (starting from $274,600).
$/sq. ft. = $439 and 402

2 bedrooms - there are 4 layouts, the smallest is 818 sq. ft. (starting from $338,800) and the biggest is 1065 sq. ft. (starting from $414,500).
$/sq. ft. = $414 and $389

2 bdrm + den - again, 2 different layouts; 1151 sq. ft. (starting from $471,000) and 1120 sq. ft. (starting from $447,100).
$/sq. ft. = $409 and $399

There are penthouses too, but price/square foot isn't a fair way of comparing them.

So all in all, a VERY competitive price/sq. ft. and their spec wasn't bad either. Better than what Hom offered, not quite as good at Soho, but considering the price - it's a very good value.

As for location, I would argue that this location is superior to Icon. Whether the parking garage entrance is on Carling or Preston, either street is going to be a severe pain in the you-know-what to enter/exit. Domicile's project isn't on Preston, but it's a short walk and there are more stores/shops being opened on Rochester and Beech.

Good analysis. You can't really think that this is a better location than Icon though? Icon is right on Preston, closer to the O Train stop and the southside has a guaranteed unimpeded view of the lake.

I mean what is a better location 200 Rideau etc towers or 700 Sussex or 90 George? After all 200 Rideau is still close to the market and the parking garage is more accessible.

[JackBauer24]

Comparing where Nuovo is going to be to where CP1-4 are isn't the best or fairest comparison.
Nuovo is on a quiet street, with very little vehicle traffic, within a 2 minute walk to restaurants, bars, night life, transit, etc...
CP 1-4 are located on one of the busiest streets in the city with constant pedestrian and vehicle traffic.

And contrarily, comparing 90 George to the Icon isn't that fair either -
90G is literally in the ByWard Market where you deal with more pedestrian traffic than vehicles. Once your leave the building you can pretty much walk to whatever you want within minutes.
The Icon is quite the opposite - located on the fringe of Little Italy, on its two busiest streets in terms of vehicle traffic. The closest things to it are a car dealership (which will be a condo eventually) and the O-train station.

As for the the views at the Icon - the south side will be nice, if you're into seeing a lake (personally, I couldn't care less about seeing a lake, especially if that lake is to the south, where the sun will be blistering your condo all day. And when I'm 1 of 40 others who have the identical view, I can't see it impacting my resale value all that much - but that's another topic). But all the other directions, which is 75% of the building, are just basic views of the city that most other condos offer - nothing that will increase or decrease the value or add/take away from the experience of your condo.

Rochester and Preston are about 200 m apart - less than a 2 minute walk; and that includes the O-Train station. So whatever is within walking distance of the Icon is also within walking distance of Nuovo.

Personally, assuming everything else is equal - I would prefer the quiet street just outside of where the hustle and bustle occurs, so I have the option of accessing that if I like, and also have the option of staying where it's quieter.

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Good analysis. You can't really think that this is a better location than Icon though? Icon is right on Preston, closer to the O Train stop and the southside has a guaranteed unimpeded view of the lake.

I mean what is a better location 200 Rideau etc towers or 700 Sussex or 90 George? After all 200 Rideau is still close to the market and the parking garage is more accessible.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by JackBauer24

Comparing where Nuovo is going to be to where CP1-4 are isn't the best or fairest comparison.
Nuovo is on a quiet street, with very little vehicle traffic, within a 2 minute walk to restaurants, bars, night life, transit, etc...
CP 1-4 are located on one of the busiest streets in the city with constant pedestrian and vehicle traffic.

And contrarily, comparing 90 George to the Icon isn't that fair either -
90G is literally in the ByWard Market where you deal with more pedestrian traffic than vehicles. Once your leave the building you can pretty much walk to whatever you want within minutes.
The Icon is quite the opposite - located on the fringe of Little Italy, on its two busiest streets in terms of vehicle traffic. The closest things to it are a car dealership (which will be a condo eventually) and the O-train station.

As for the the views at the Icon - the south side will be nice, if you're into seeing a lake (personally, I couldn't care less about seeing a lake, especially if that lake is to the south, where the sun will be blistering your condo all day. And when I'm 1 of 40 others who have the identical view, I can't see it impacting my resale value all that much - but that's another topic). But all the other directions, which is 75% of the building, are just basic views of the city that most other condos offer - nothing that will increase or decrease the value or add/take away from the experience of your condo.

Rochester and Preston are about 200 m apart - less than a 2 minute walk; and that includes the O-Train station. So whatever is within walking distance of the Icon is also within walking distance of Nuovo.

Personally, assuming everything else is equal - I would prefer the quiet street just outside of where the hustle and bustle occurs, so I have the option of accessing that if I like, and also have the option of staying where it's quieter.

I still prefer Icon's location but you make a good point on the apples to oranges comparison. Prices in 90 George and 200 Rideau are practically the same now anyway!

Icon also has a web price list and for the most part they are not substantially higher than Nuovo adding more support for your assessment. Especially considering Icon is not selling well. Domicile is also of course worlds ahead of Claridge in quality.

[rocketphish]

No more orange! Yay!!



from: http://nuovocondo.ca/

[citydwlr]

Here's a pic of what Domicile envisions for the Mercato that JackBauer24 mentioned earlier (sorry for the size):

[citydwlr]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

No more orange! Yay!!



from: http://nuovocondo.ca/

I was told that Domicile couldn't find an adequately priced/coloured brick for the orange part, so they changed it to black and added reddish-orange highlights around some of the windows.

Personally, I like the black/grey brick over the orange brick. Glad they changed it