Atlanta Project Thread IV

[plorenc]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

oh and it looks like there are proposals both across cypress AND peachtree from 1138 that are in the immediate future.

Thanks for that recap, it was great. All of this stuff is indeed a big fucking deal!

In regards to this quote, I think I understand where 1/2 of these proposals is gonna be (1125 Peachtree), but what do you mean by the second across from Cypress?

I can't see any vacant land directly across from the 5th/Cypress property, other than maybe at the SE corner of 6th and Peachtree. With the coming retail enhancements at Viewpoint, a development in that lot would be... totally fucking awesome.

EDIT: Or maybe the NE corner of 4th & Peachtree? Hmm... speculation abounds!

[micropundit]

Originally Posted by plorenc

Thanks for that recap, it was great. All of this stuff is indeed a big fucking deal!

In regards to this quote, I think I understand where 1/2 of these proposals is gonna be (1125 Peachtree), but what do you mean by the second across from Cypress?

I can't see any vacant land directly across from the 5th/Cypress property, other than maybe at the SE corner of 6th and Peachtree. With the coming retail enhancements at Viewpoint, a development in that lot would be... totally fucking awesome.

EDIT: Or maybe the NE corner of 4th & Peachtree? Hmm... speculation abounds!

13th and Crescent would be across from 1138 Peachtree.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by plorenc

In regards to this quote, I think I understand where 1/2 of these proposals is gonna be (1125 Peachtree), but what do you mean by the second across from Cypress?

Probably meant Crescent.

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by micropundit

13th and Crescent would be across from 1138 Peachtree.

Yep! And I know the 12th & Midtown team purchased half of that block last year - bounded by 13th, Crescent, 12th street and Peachtree Walk. If they do their next project there, I could really see the area around 12th developing enough critical mass of retail to sustain and grow itself. I doubt they would do two buildings at the same time though (1125 Peachtree and Crescent) so maybe its someone else.

[L.ARCH]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

oh and it looks like there are proposals both across cypress AND peachtree from 1138 that are in the immediate future.

If this is accurate, this is very very exciting news! I can hardly remember a time when midtown had this much development going on all at once. Just a month ago, I was counting 7 or 8 developments in the works or under construction, and now I'm counting at least 13 including the possible Amli Tower, 1138, 1125, the 400' - 35floor tower foxmccleod mentioned and now a Crescent st development? That's just nuts!

[L.ARCH]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Yep! And I know the 12th & Midtown team purchased half of that block last year - bounded by 13th, Crescent, 12th street and Peachtree Walk. If they do their next project there, I could really see the area around 12th developing enough critical mass of retail to sustain and grow itself. I doubt they would do two buildings at the same time though (1125 Peachtree and Crescent) so maybe its someone else.

Interesting! Is that "half the block" divided east to west then (as apposed to north and south)?

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by L.ARCH

Interesting! Is that "half the block" divided east to west then (as apposed to north and south)?

Yes Divided east to west. It was the part of the block right across 77 12th street but if I remember correctly, the properties fronting Crescent (Front Page News etc) were not included. Or maybe someone else is planning something on the northern half of that block. Who knows?

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Probably meant Crescent.

yes, i meant crescent. since they're in the same position relative to peachtree and both start with a C i get them all mixed up.

[smArTaLlone]

• 5th and Peachtree street - the new plans presented this past Tuesday were for a 12-story tower with 294 units. As has been reported by bryantm3 they were asked to add some retail on Peachtree Street.
  
  
• GA Tech HPC - Tech is close to naming project manager but a developer will not be chosen before next fall. Tech would anchor the project which would be designed, financed and built by the developer. But get this, the site with the Crum & Forster building which was just recently partially demolished is called the "most likely" site for the project but other sites will still be considered.
  
  
• Hyatt House is moving forward. The 7-story hotel near the aquarium has filed permits to demolish the existing buildings and to develop the site.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/

[clexmond]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

• 5th and Peachtree street - the new plans presented this past Tuesday were for a 12-story tower with 294 units. As has been reported by bryantm3 they were asked to add some retail on Peachtree Street.
  
  
• GA Tech HPC - Tech is close to naming project manager but a developer will not be chosen before next fall. Tech would anchor the project which would be designed, financed and built by the developer. But get this, the site with the Crum & Forster building which was just recently partially demolished is called the "most likely" site for the project but other sites will still be considered.
  
  
• Hyatt House is moving forward. The 7-story hotel near the aquarium has filed permits to demolish the existing buildings and to develop the the site.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/

That's actually been the case for the HPC since it was proposed, but I do believe that site is by far the most likely candidate.

I'd also love to see some pictures from both the 5th & Peachtree project and 1138 Peachtree from the DRC meeting.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by clexmond

That's actually been the case for the HPC since it was proposed, but I do believe that site is by far the most likely candidate.

I'd also love to see some pictures from both the 5th & Peachtree project and 1138 Peachtree from the DRC meeting.

i did not take any pictures because there was no one else taking them— the audience sort of sits behind the committee and to get pictures you would have to go up and get between the applicant and the committee. i'm sure once the plans are approved by the DRC they will get released.

[smArTaLlone]

The Hyatt House looks like it'll be pretty boring but at least it'll add density to the Marietta Street corridor.

[Frankster87]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

The Hyatt House looks like it'll be pretty boring but at least it'll add density to the Marietta Street corridor.

Is that retail at the bottom of it? Or just a lobby?

[Libertarian]

Well, let's hope it's NOT retail. There's too much empty retailing space.

[Ant131531]

I can't believe the 5th/Peachtree St. developer tried to get away with not putting retail on a building on the most famed and dense street of Atlanta.

[Libertarian]

I can understand the need for zoning and planning, but why should developers be required to put retail in a building when it goes against their best interests? This is an example of where investors are being unnecessarily extorted, and it's in no one's best interest to have something that will be nonutilized or underutilized. At least requiring that trees be planted or street improvements really does add community value.

What some of you don't realize is that many types of retailing simply have no utility in the wired universe. One example - I wanted to buy something today. I tried to get it from brick and mortar sources, from two Home Depots and one Lowes as well as a local hardware store. It simply wasn't available. Had to end up buying online. And even if I had succeeded in finding it at some niche retailer, I would have had to drive across town wasting my time and money to pick it up.

I'm not anti-retail. It gives me pleasure to walk in a retail store such as on Miami Circle and find something that hits the hot button. But to force a buyer, seller or developer with an unrealistic requirement is not the right approach to solving one's perceived need.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

I can understand the need for zoning and planning, but why should developers be required to put retail in a building when it goes against their best interests? This is an example of where investors are being unnecessarily extorted, and it's in no one's best interest to have something that will be nonutilized or underutilized. At least requiring that trees be planted or street improvements really does add community value.

What some of you don't realize is that many types of retailing simply have no utility in the wired universe. One example - I wanted to buy something today. I tried to get it from brick and mortar sources, from two Home Depots and one Lowes as well as a local hardware store. It simply wasn't available. Had to end up buying online. And even if I had succeeded in finding it at some niche retailer, I would have had to drive across town wasting my time and money to pick it up.

I'm not anti-retail. It gives me pleasure to walk in a retail store such as on Miami Circle and find something that hits the hot button. But to force a buyer, seller or developer with an unrealistic requirement is not the right approach to solving one's perceived need.

i see your point, but i disagree. many developers simply aren't used to building street front retail— america had a rapid suburbanization between the 40s and the 2000s and now that is reversing just as rapidly. they are used to zoning codes dictating single uses for buildings and many are not eager to incorporate retail and office space even if that might be a financial windfall for them.

the second aspect is street activity. i believe that every street in midtown needs an active use at street level except for garage and service entrances. it doesn't have to be retail, but *something*. a row of windows or a concrete wall is not acceptable. every street needs to have a degree of activity to make walking encouraged and to make areas safer, especially at night.

when it comes to retail, i understand that the space may initially not be utilized— but what many developers are proposing does not make efficient moneymaking use out of that space either. how is a concrete wall going to generate more money than an (initially) empty retail space? i don't think it's about forcing developers to make changes that will affect them negatively, it's about getting them to think in a different manner. they're still used to building apartment homes in the suburbs and they're going to have to adjust to a new type of development.

[joecool]

I think retail should be a requirement as well. We need more activity on P'tree. If you're going to build something on P'tree you've got to have retail/food.

As far has requiring trees. I think Atlanta gets a little too tree happy. I like trees but too many trees crowded together is just too much. I don't think that should be a requirement. I like them on side streets but I think P'tree and other major streets are fine without them. I would like to see more fountains and flowers tho. More art would be nice also.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by joecool

I think retail should be a requirement as well. We need more activity on P'tree. If you're going to build something on P'tree you've got to have retail/food.

As far has requiring trees. I think Atlanta gets a little too tree happy. I like trees but too many trees crowded together is just too much. I don't think that should be a requirement. I like them on side streets but I think P'tree and other major streets are fine without them. I would like to see more fountains and flowers tho. More art would be nice also.

i think trees should be a requirement, but they should be planted/maintained by the city of atlanta, and they should be in sidewalk planters. the ideal model is on broad street downtown:



this model should be replicated throughout the metro area. we are "the city in a forest" afterall. isn't it cool to imagine atlanta's core 30-40 years from now, completely built out with active uses and residential/office space on every street, and huge trees canopying over the street?

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

I can understand the need for zoning and planning, but why should developers be required to put retail in a building when it goes against their best interests? This is an example of where investors are being unnecessarily extorted, and it's in no one's best interest to have something that will be nonutilized or underutilized. At least requiring that trees be planted or street improvements really does add community value.

What some of you don't realize is that many types of retailing simply have no utility in the wired universe. One example - I wanted to buy something today. I tried to get it from brick and mortar sources, from two Home Depots and one Lowes as well as a local hardware store. It simply wasn't available. Had to end up buying online. And even if I had succeeded in finding it at some niche retailer, I would have had to drive across town wasting my time and money to pick it up.

I'm not anti-retail. It gives me pleasure to walk in a retail store such as on Miami Circle and find something that hits the hot button. But to force a buyer, seller or developer with an unrealistic requirement is not the right approach to solving one's perceived need.

Because it's Peachtree, not Spring St. I think EVERY new development on Peachtree SHOULD have retail. As I just said, it's Atlanta's most developed and famous street.