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Old Posted Sep 19, 2013, 11:07 PM
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Honestly I'm just expecting Mosaic but slightly lower and with seating wrapped around the end zones. No coverings over the stands, either, just exposed. And when people ask "isn't it supposed to be roof ready?" the response will be "hahahahah."
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2013, 11:14 PM
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Honestly I'm just expecting Mosaic but slightly lower and with seating wrapped around the end zones. No coverings over the stands, either, just exposed. And when people ask "isn't it supposed to be roof ready?" the response will be "hahahahah."
I highly doubt that for $80 mill more (not including leaseholder improvements), we end up with IGF minus the roof...
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2013, 11:50 PM
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I will be sad if we lose the polycarbonate roof. I expect they might be scared about what happens to it a -40. Polycarbonate seems to be the wave of the future for stadiums and it would be too bad if build a roof from the 90's.

Hopefully at least one of the 3 consortiums has a polycarbonate roof so at least there is still that option.

some examples

http://www.icis.com/blogs/icis-chemicals-confidential/2008/01/architecture-review-fancy-pc-r/

also the proposed Farmer's Field in LA is similar, but $1.2 Billion and 2x bigger.

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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 12:16 AM
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Honestly I'm just expecting Mosaic but slightly lower and with seating wrapped around the end zones. No coverings over the stands, either, just exposed. And when people ask "isn't it supposed to be roof ready?" the response will be "hahahahah."
Don't forget - with a lower percentage of seats between the goal lines due to the increased number of seats in the end zones.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
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If LA is getting farmers field does that mean the new naming on the Regina stadium will be metro field?
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 3:44 AM
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A report by Equipe-Quebec — a group working to attract the Winter Olympics in 2022 — recommends building an arena. But it also concedes the building would run a deficit unless it attracted an NHL tenant.

According to a study conducted by Ernst & Young, a new arena would bring in $8.4 million a year with an NHL tenant and $7.8 million without a professional club.

The cost of financing and maintaining an arena could be far higher. According to Claude Rousseau, president of Equipe-Quebec, the expenses would be between $36 million and $41 million annually, rendering the building unprofitable for a private business.


Do we have any numbers for the facility in Regina? If the new arena in Quebec is expecting to run a deficit of $27-$32 million each year, with an NHL team, what type of deficit are we expecting from the Regina multi-use facility? Since it will be larger and more expensive than the arena in Quebec, do we expect that the operating expenses will exceed the $36-$41 million they expect to spend in Quebec?
It's all covered the feasibility study. It will break even based on modest assumptions. Seasonal outdoor facilities are cheaper to operate than a year round indoor facilty. The main difference is the Quebec number includes financing costs. That is all covered for the Regina stadium through government grants, low interest loans and facility fees. The financing is a done deal.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 4:07 AM
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Don't forget - with a lower percentage of seats between the goal lines due to the increased number of seats in the end zones.
I don't believe that is true. See pages 3 and 4:

ftp://ftp.regina.ca/web_files/rri/Stadium%20Concept%20Summary%20Book.pdf
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 1:18 PM
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I will be sad if we lose the polycarbonate roof. I expect they might be scared about what happens to it a -40. Polycarbonate seems to be the wave of the future for stadiums and it would be too bad if build a roof from the 90's.


http://www.icis.com/blogs/icis-chemicals-confidential/2008/01/architecture-review-fancy-pc-r/


I haven't read all of this so I apologize if i missed it but it seems all fine and dandy that they use a polycarbonate roof in warm weather location but other than cold, how would it hold up against snow loading?
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I haven't read all of this so I apologize if i missed it but it seems all fine and dandy that they use a polycarbonate roof in warm weather location but other than cold, how would it hold up against snow loading?
A polycarbonate roof could work, so long as there is an adequate structure supporting it. Patel's rendering conveniently ommitted those members. That or he somehow figured the the random "bubble" framing within the membrane would do the trick.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 3:06 PM
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If I remember correctly, Patel said that new polycarbonate sheets are so light and strong that his "spider web" supports would hold it up in all conceivable wind and snow conditions. We will see if any of the 3 consortiums is prepared to take that chance.

If the spider web worked it would be awesome. Every other stadium seems to have obtrusive beams and trusses.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2013, 5:33 PM
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Time to bump this thread.
I drove through Evraz grounds yesterday and all of the existing buildings in the Southeast corner of the site (including foundations) appear to be removed and the ground is more or less levelled.
I did take a couple of pictures but you don't really see much except for construction fences.
There is also a fenced area near the armouries where there appears to be some utility work underway.
I was also re-reading some of the recent comments in this thread and it appears that quite a few people don't quite understand the process.
People are asking "when will tender docs be sent to the trades" or "when will the final renders be released"...but they need to realize that this is an RFP process, not a traditional tender.
The firms that are pursuing this work have been called "proponents" not bidders, because the award is not based on price.
Each firm was given an RFP that includes a list of requirements...not a definitive set of drawings.
The proponents then assemble some detailed design drawings, which include the individual architects conceptual version of how best to deliver the required elements in a reasonably attractive, reasonably cost effective manner.
Along with the design & pricing the firms also have to put together a financing package that fits within the financial guidelines that they have been given.
And the agenda was then to receive 3 unique proposals, each with different architectural elements, but all delivering the same minimum content dictated by the RFP.
PS-At one point I was part of a pursuit team, but we didn't make it to the final 3, so now I just get to be an unbiased observer!
PPS - These are the dates that (at least to my knowledge) are still in effect:
April 4th - RFQ Submission
May 30th - Notification of successful parties (3 firms)
July 17th - Official RFP is issued.
Dec. 9th - RFP closes.
Jan. 20th, 2014 - successful Design-Build-Finance group is chosen.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2013, 10:06 PM
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 4:05 PM
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Fougere says: "No domed stadium."

Damn.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 4:47 PM
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That was the first really cold game I can remember in the past many, many years. Attendance suffered but the game was unaffected. I cannot see how a dome could be justified for the occasional bad weather situation.

I originally supported the dome, but now favour open air with protection from the wind, spectator roof and other environmental features that will make it more comfortable than Mosaic.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 4:54 PM
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That was the first really cold game I can remember in the past many, many years. Attendance suffered but the game was unaffected. I cannot see how a dome could be justified for the occasional bad weather situation.

I originally supported the dome, but now favour open air with protection from the wind, spectator roof and other environmental features that will make it more comfortable than Mosaic.
. . . . . yes; however, it'll still be a white elephant for about 6 months/year. (I personally hope that they still make it roof-ready though - just in case.)
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 5:08 PM
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. . . . . yes; however, it'll still be a white elephant for about 6 months/year. (I personally hope that they still make it roof-ready though - just in case.)
I don't think the province has removed that condition from their funding, so it's probably still a requirement.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 5:39 PM
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I don't think the province has removed that condition from their funding, so it's probably still a requirement.
Concept design says:

9.5 Roof Ready
Spectator Roof
Base Condition
Independent Retractable
Roof Ready
A number of options were considered for enabling
schemes (Roof Ready) allowing various upgrades to
the roof over time. The simplest of these is an open
stadium with a bowl structure capable of accepting
a roof at a future date. As the base case is now
a Spectator Roof, only two roof ready options are
possible; filling in the aperture to create a permanent
indoor venue or installing an operable roof allowing
either indoor or open use. As this flexibility is
required, the roof ready proposal is for an operable
roof.
There are a number of factors to consider in
designing the stadium to accept an operable roof in
the future, including:
• Foundation implications
• Geometry
• Original roof structure
• Fire strategy
• Internal environment
As detailed in this report, the summer climate can be
addressed without the need for cooling. The internal
environment can be managed by the air infiltration
louvers. Hence no provision needs to be made for
additional plant in the event a roof is added.
The three most critical issues are foundations,
geometry and base roof structure. There are many
options here but the broad range is; maximum
initial works or minimal initial works, i.e. implement
as many elements as in the base scheme leaving
less to add in the future or; do as little as possible
initially and leave it for the future. The former option
is attractive if the eventual upgrade is a certainty as
the overall cost is less, i.e. high initial cost with lower
conversion cost. The latter is better if the eventual
upgrade is only a possibility or initial funds are
capped and insufficient, i.e. lower initial cost and
higher conversion cost, which is the case with the
current funding arrangement for the stadium project.
Given the innovative approach and encouraging
wind performance results of the Spectator Roof, it
is quite possible that the fans will find this the best
blend of open air and protected. Fortunately, the
geometry of the proposal is well suited to receiving a
future operable roof without increasing the initial cost.
The provision here is spatial and the proposed base
design has the following benefits in regard to this:
• Sunken bowl and minimal end stands
• High roof line
These factors allow an independent operable roof to
be added in the future. This would comprise a pair
of arches spanning the length of the field outboard
of the side lines. They would be mounted on vertical
supports landing at Main Concourse on the outer
perimeter of the end stands. The large volume here
allows for future construction access for foundations.
The arches would fit under the current roof plane
and carry the moving roof panels. A number of
options are possible for the moving panel including;
independent moving and rotating panels, concertina
fabric or fixed large panel. The design of these
will be reviewed in the next stage together with the
disruption implications for erecting the arches. Some
disruption is inevitable but with prefabrication and
partial occupation, games could continue. However
it is generally more expensive than just shutting the
stadium for a season or half a season and completing
the work in one phase.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 11:18 PM
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Having seen the design plans, they all have features and benefits to each design. It will be interesting to see what design is chosen. Due to confidentiality there is nothing more I can personally say.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2013, 4:25 AM
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Having seen the design plans, they all have features and benefits to each design. It will be interesting to see what design is chosen. Due to confidentiality there is nothing more I can personally say.
Can you at least say whether you like them?
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Can you at least say whether you like them?
The first one I saw was nice. Can't wait to see more of the others if I get the chance.
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