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Old Posted Nov 6, 2013, 11:54 PM
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The belief in the importance of weather protection is misguided. The most attractive facades (retail or otherwise) are usually heritage buildings unblemished by awnings. It is no accident that Vancouver's most enjoyable and charming pedestrian experience can be found in Gastown, where awnings are scarce. And it is no accident that the more stylish, high-end tenants in Gastown are usually found in the buildings that don't have awnings, while the tackier, lower-end businesses are usually found in the buildings that do.

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From BIV re: Main Post Office:

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Meanwhile, in Vancouver ...

A hotel will likely feature in the redevelopment BC Investment Management Corp. plans for the landmark Canada Post property on West Georgia Street.

Doug Pearce, CEO of the asset manager for provincial pension funds, told the recent Western Canadian Hotel and Resort Investment Conference that the mix of uses will depend on the projected returns – and residential and hotel uses are looking good.

“Do we want any more offices in downtown Toronto or Calgary? No. So we’re more into residential, and part of the residential is hospitality,” he explained.

With limited new hotel development planned for downtown Vancouver, Pearce believes a hotel could be an ideal element. •
http://www.biv.com/article/20131105/BIV0...aying-off-for-hoteliers-hotel-likely-for
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 3:13 AM
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Hmm, I was kind of hoping theyd repurpose into a mall/retail with a city walmart or target.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 4:11 AM
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Hmm, I was kind of hoping theyd repurpose into a mall/retail with a city walmart or target.
actually superstore would be awesome but walmart? no thanks
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 5:25 AM
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What's wrong with Walmart?
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 7:43 AM
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The belief in the importance of weather protection is misguided. The most attractive facades (retail or otherwise) are usually heritage buildings unblemished by awnings. It is no accident that Vancouver's most enjoyable and charming pedestrian experience can be found in Gastown, where awnings are scarce. And it is no accident that the more stylish, high-end tenants in Gastown are usually found in the buildings that don't have awnings, while the tackier, lower-end businesses are usually found in the buildings that do.
It is not 'misguided'. Explain why indoor malls (eg. PC) are so much busier compared to places like Robson street when the weather turns sour.

Unoriginal designers here have no experience designing attractive awnings suitable for the northwest weather. Almost all designs are copied from drier places found mainly in the U.S. That explains why awnings here are usually built as an after-thought and not really incorporated to the design of buildings. Keeping shoppers dry DOES enhance the shopping experience. I don't know where you get the notion that it doesn't.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 10:47 PM
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What's wrong with Walmart?
As a place to shop, not much, I guess. Cheap.

As a company, pretty much everything that's wrong with capitalism today.

I don't take a moral stand too often on what I buy and where I shop, but Walmart is a place I will never, ever set foot in. I'd encourage others to do the same.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 11:19 PM
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The belief in the importance of weather protection is misguided. The most attractive facades (retail or otherwise) are usually heritage buildings unblemished by awnings. It is no accident that Vancouver's most enjoyable and charming pedestrian experience can be found in Gastown, where awnings are scarce. And it is no accident that the more stylish, high-end tenants in Gastown are usually found in the buildings that don't have awnings, while the tackier, lower-end businesses are usually found in the buildings that do.
Brilliant!! Most, if not all of the upscale shopping streets in Northern Europe are devoid of awnings with the exception of marking an entry point to a business. Specifically in London, with much the same climate as Vancouver, you'll rarely, if ever find awnings, regardless of whether you're on high streets like Oxford our elegant upscale streets link Bond Street or Sloane Street. These street have survived and prospered for, in some cases, hundreds of years with no awnings.

Awnings for the most part, are a blight in Vancouver, horribly applied, horribly maintained and are the #1 contributor, IMO, to many of our commercial streets looking like shantytowns, the majority are filthy, in poor repair and contain signage, telephone numbers and other unsightly graphics that are far too large, then are horribly back-lit by a fluorescent tube.

Fabric awnings are particularly horrible for the pedestrian when viewed from below, usually a cheaply made, rusting frame with a fluorescent, often in disrepair, light fixture, and many leak and drip. As far as signage, they are close to useless, they are not visible from the sidewalk as they face the street, they are often angled up at a 45 degree angle away from the passer-by. They are also of huge detriment to the appearance of a facade and make it virtually impossible to create a slick, architectural / modern shop-front.

While on the South Granville BIA for many years, I was a huge advocate of awning-less facades and perhaps I'm to take a little credit for why South Granville has far less awnings on it's shop-fronts than many other commercial areas of Vancouver.

Weather protection needs to be integrated into the facades, by the architects if it's to exist at all. Fortunately, it looks as though the trend amongst upscale and design savvy business owners is to forego and / or mitigate the appearance of the awning altogether.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2013, 11:26 PM
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I really don't understand the vehement hatred of awnings. They might not be the prettiest things, but I hardly find them hideous. (And what shopping street looks like a Shanty town in Vancouver?)

All I know is that I forgot my umbrella on a very rainy day recently, and was able to stay relatively dry by ducking from awning to awning along Granville, Robson, and Burrard. I was very grateful for the rain cover.
     
     
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Some streets I think are bordering on shanty-town appearance, in places ( not the entire street ) and contain a large amount of awning in disrepair :

-Denman Street - a plethora of dilapidated awnings
-Robson Street between Jervis and Denman, many transient businesses simply paint over the former business's awning
-Robson Street 1100 block specifically the London Drugs complex and the Moxies complex across the street
-Granville Street in Marpole - worst is on the east side between 67th and 70th
-Victoria Drive north of 33rd ( the commercial district ) - this is the worst stretch of horrible awnings anywhere I can think of
-sadly much of Commercial Drive still needs some serious signage improvement and awning replacements or removals

I'm not advocating complete removal but at the very least a huge overall in the way awnings are designed and applied.

As mentioned my Prometheus, our most beautiful and historic streets contain the fewest awnings. Not to mention most of the beautiful shopping and commercial streets around the world.
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As a company, pretty much everything that's wrong with corporatism today.
Fixed that for you. Corporatism =/= capitalism.
     
     
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The belief in the importance of weather protection is misguided. The most attractive facades (retail or otherwise) are usually heritage buildings unblemished by awnings. It is no accident that Vancouver's most enjoyable and charming pedestrian experience can be found in Gastown, where awnings are scarce. And it is no accident that the more stylish, high-end tenants in Gastown are usually found in the buildings that don't have awnings, while the tackier, lower-end businesses are usually found in the buildings that do.
Totally disagree. A lot of high-end streetfronts sans-awnings in Gastown or London prosper in spite of their lack of awnings. What they did to the Bay building was perfect and practical... more well-maintained clear-glass awnings everywhere please.
     
     
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One of the problems with awnings is that they prevent effective signage.
Sigange above the awning on a building facade is not visible to pedestrians (requiring additional signage in windows) and signage below awnings forces the awning too high to be effective and often forces signage into a minicule backlit signage strip.
     
     
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Some streets I think are bordering on shanty-town appearance, in places ( not the entire street ) and contain a large amount of awning in disrepair :

-Denman Street - a plethora of dilapidated awnings
-Robson Street between Jervis and Denman, many transient businesses simply paint over the former business's awning
-Robson Street 1100 block specifically the London Drugs complex and the Moxies complex across the street
-Granville Street in Marpole - worst is on the east side between 67th and 70th
-Victoria Drive north of 33rd ( the commercial district ) - this is the worst stretch of horrible awnings anywhere I can think of
-sadly much of Commercial Drive still needs some serious signage improvement and awning replacements or removals

I'm not advocating complete removal but at the very least a huge overall in the way awnings are designed and applied.

As mentioned my Prometheus, our most beautiful and historic streets contain the fewest awnings. Not to mention most of the beautiful shopping and commercial streets around the world.
With the way street level retail is done in Vancouver, awnings are the only thing that provide any colour at street level. Now a lot of retail is built with a steel and glass canopy, leaving no option for a customized awning/sign that give the retail strip some colour and visual separation between retailers.
     
     
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The belief in the importance of weather protection is misguided. The most attractive facades (retail or otherwise) are usually heritage buildings unblemished by awnings. It is no accident that Vancouver's most enjoyable and charming pedestrian experience can be found in Gastown, where awnings are scarce. And it is no accident that the more stylish, high-end tenants in Gastown are usually found in the buildings that don't have awnings, while the tackier, lower-end businesses are usually found in the buildings that do.
Awnings are nice to keep people dry, but they seem to homogenize everything.
     
     
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Along a lot of the streets in Downtown South, the City has given up on trying to grow grass and installed a rubberized brick-patterned material.

Pic by me today (Homer near Smithe. It's also in along Hamilton near Robson.



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