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Old Posted Nov 2, 2013, 6:07 AM
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Not to sound like a smart 🞵🞵🞵, but isn't your question answered by the rendering in the link you provided?
There are going to be 70,000 people living in Holmwood. I simply think that the city is underestimating how busy of an interchange McOrmond and College is going to be. The whole point of an interchange, in my opinion, is to move large numbers of vehicles efficiently, while minimizing areas where cars have to come to a complete stop. Going with a single loop design instead of a dual loop (like exists at Attridge and Circle, College and Circle, and 51st and Idylwyld) means that there are off ramps with left-turn traffic signals where cars have to stop, wait and go. I would just rather see an interchange built at this location where traffic can flow more seamlessly.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2013, 6:14 AM
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The single loop is adequate as the grade seperation will likely have two turn lanes for NB traffic to make a left to WB College at time of final build-out. Also this interchange is the beginning of the Parkway project up to the Marquis industrial so that volume of traffic taking the loop EB-NB will be nicely accommodated with this design.

Also Holmwood is also to be served by 8th Street, Taylor, and Eventially the ESB (East Saskatoon Bypass) so it will be well coverd by time of full build-out.

And also yes land constraints are one of the factors.
Good points all around. The wild cards in all of this are, indeed, the ultimate impact of the North Parkway Bridge and the Perimeter Highway (and bridge) on traffic patterns in northeast Saskatoon, once those new roadways are built. Time will tell.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2013, 3:32 PM
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One of the big problems with most new areas is the lack of proper roadways to get traffic into and out of the area as well as no major feeders streets. Stonebridge is an example, there are two main routes in. Then add the road from the traffic circle east of Home Depot that runs to the east. It is almost single lane when vehicles are parked on both sides of the street. New bridges will help once you are able to get to them. Adding more and more areas on the east side will just increase the problems. More development to the west and northwest would certainly reduce bridge congestion. The land being developed east is no different from all the un-developed land to the west. As the east continues to develop are the sewer and water services located on the west riverbank going to have to be increased at a far greater cost of going across the river. Some people will say they have development going to the west with Hampton and Kensington but Hampton is just about done and Kensington is no way as big as any east developement. New developments on both sides of the river have the same type of structures and people for the most part. I thought for awhile there was a difference but driving around Evergreen and Hampton recently I didn't notice a lot of difference. I don't think if I worked downtown or the north industrial area I would want to live to the east unless transit services make a huge improvement.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2013, 3:36 PM
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One of the big problems with most new areas is the lack of proper roadways to get traffic into and out of the area as well as no major feeders streets. Stonebridge is an example, there are two main routes in. Then add the road from the traffic circle east of Home Depot that runs to the east. It is almost single lane when vehicles are parked on both sides of the street. New bridges will help once you are able to get to them. Adding more and more areas on the east side will just increase the problems. More development to the west and northwest would certainly reduce bridge congestion. The land being developed east is no different from all the un-developed land to the west. As the east continues to develop are the sewer and water services located on the west riverbank going to have to be increased at a far greater cost of going across the river. Some people will say they have development going to the west with Hampton and Kensington but Hampton is just about done and Kensington is no way as big as any east developement. New developments on both sides of the river have the same type of structures and people for the most part. I thought for awhile there was a difference but driving around Evergreen and Hampton recently I didn't notice a lot of difference. I don't think if I worked downtown or the north industrial area I would want to live to the east unless transit services make a huge improvement.
Stonebridge has two arterial roads that connect to freeway with already built interchanges. Thus far the main reason for congestion has simply been construction. Yes it is busy, that is the way it has been designed, to make the most use of the roads. And as the development infills there is also futre provisions to connect to HWY11.

Kensington is as large as Evergreen and Aspen ridge combined. The amount of land slated for future neighborhoods in the West sector plan (blairmore) is larger then the Holmwood sector plan on the east. Water and sewer construction for both of these sections has already been undertaken with much more to come (Sanitary force main to serve the West side, which was the biggest barrier to growth since the lay of the land prevented gravity system to bring sewage to the treatment plat) and major storm and sanitary trunks being installed as we speak at both ends of McOrmond.

As someone who takes transit to work downtown often, and recently moved from the West side to the east, I agree that the bus ride was much shorter and easier on the west side.

My main point, is that the river is not the only factor when it comes to determining which direction the city grows. And as for roadways design, I think the biggest problem is when transportation planners aren't allowed to do their thing, they could design a great system, but their designs are subject to input from Council, the Land branch, private developers with their own ideas, etc. For instance, McOrmond Drive was designed to be a major arterial roadway, but when they build the north bridge it will be used as a freeway (until a perimeter bridge is built by the province, assuming that happens in the next decade), meanwhile it will be snaking through the new neighbourhoods and will have many signalized intersections - I can easily foresee congestion on it just as bad as Attridge by the time those neighborhoods are built.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2013, 4:07 PM
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Vintage ads at risk, says Saskatoon Heritage Society
Vintage ads worth saving

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It was the discovery of a vintage ad hidden away for years behind the modern sign for an Italian restaurant downtown that got the Saskatoon Heritage Society thinking about the significance of the old hand painted ads.

They are scattered around the city, up on the brick sides of historic buildings. The heritage society worries, the signs may soon fade, victim to the rush to renovate in a booming economy. Many of the signs, they argue, are at risk of being painted over, or lost to demolition.

The heritage society believes the vintage ads remind us of a simpler time. [...]

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Old Posted Nov 4, 2013, 4:29 PM
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^ I listened to the radio segment about this on Saskatoon Morning this morning. It was interesting to hear about the recently exposed J.F. Cairns Department Store sign on the side of the Taverna building, circa 1910.
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^ I listened to the radio segment about this on Saskatoon Morning this morning. It was interesting to hear about the recently exposed J.F. Cairns Department Store sign on the side of the Taverna building, circa 1910.
I was actually the one who got in contact with the Saskatoon Heritage Society about that newly exposed sign. Seeing this article this morning was a nice surprise! I have been documenting them around the city (and province/country when I can) with a friend for some time now. I have been in contact with the SHS again and am trying to get more involved. I will let the forum know if there are any breakthroughs!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2013, 5:18 PM
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I was actually the one who got in contact with the Saskatoon Heritage Society about that newly exposed sign. Seeing this article this morning was a nice surprise! I have been documenting them around the city (and province/country when I can) with a friend for some time now. I have been in contact with the SHS again and am trying to get more involved. I will let the forum know if there are any breakthroughs!
Well done, Devon! If you have any photos that you're willing to share with the forum, please do so. I love these old painted ads.
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2013, 8:31 PM
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There are going to be 70,000 people living in Holmwood. I simply think that the city is underestimating how busy of an interchange McOrmond and College is going to be. The whole point of an interchange, in my opinion, is to move large numbers of vehicles efficiently, while minimizing areas where cars have to come to a complete stop. Going with a single loop design instead of a dual loop (like exists at Attridge and Circle, College and Circle, and 51st and Idylwyld) means that there are off ramps with left-turn traffic signals where cars have to stop, wait and go. I would just rather see an interchange built at this location where traffic can flow more seamlessly.
Here is the only way I could see it happening with current restrictions and to allow free-flow traffic with only 1 light affecting traffic NB on McOrmond, through traffic only not the NB-WB McOrmond traffic.

     
     
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Old Posted Nov 4, 2013, 8:53 PM
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McOrmand isn't a highway though. I don't think the benefits would out-weigh the costs. There is a set of lights just to the north of this intersection on McOrmand so that completely limits the free-flowing benfits the loops give you. The Perimeter Highway will take care of the traffic needs of this area once its built (hopefully).
True, that is why I believe the city has designed it the way they did. As like Boychuck, McOrmond is a "Major Arterial Road" access controlled. And the speed-limit is 60km/h 70km proposed closer to bridge. As this isn't a "freeway" the way the city has designed is just fine, and will save a lot of head-ache for through traffic (which is the biggest concern here IMO)

What I have drawn was just a way to do mostly free-flow with the current restrictions that apply.

Here it is like College / Attridge, which is better with only 1 light per direction of travel N/S on McOrmond.


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Apparently, Weczeria Restaurant on Broadway has closed.

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Yup, it's official: http://instagram.com/p/gO-FU9j0_6/#

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Apparently, Weczeria Restaurant on Broadway has closed.

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Something I wanted to share with you all, now that the city has said that Circle Drive and Airport is to get an interchange by 2016-2017.

My ideal interchange set-up

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Airport Dr:



Ave C




I am not done my hypothetical design of the Idylwyld and Circle, but it would be a Single Point Urban Interchange as the city has proposed on their website.
     
     
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Players say goodbye to grass at Gordie Howe Bowl
Friends of the Bowl Foundation leading campaign for new turf

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Posted: Nov 05, 2013 5:49 AM CT
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There were plenty of reasons to celebrate at Gordie Howe Bowl in Saskatoon on Monday night.

The first cheers came from the Holy Cross Crusaders after driving down the field with less than a minute left to beat Walter Murray 22-15 in the 4A City Championship.

While Holy Cross was being crowned city champions, the future of the ground they played on has even more people celebrating.

Gordie Howe Bowl is expected to get new artificial turf next season. Greg Yuel, chair with the Friends of the Bowl Foundation, didn't waste any time digging into the grass right after the game. [...]

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Old Posted Nov 5, 2013, 4:58 PM
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Very interesting. You don't have a left turning lane from Circle Dr east bound to Ave C however. As much as we want this part of Circle Dr to be limited-access, the businesses and hotels along Ave C would be cut off from a major traffic route. I do like your idea for Idylwyld and Circle.
If you take a look at it, I have deferred access to Ave C from WB Circle. How this would be handled in my design is to drive past Ave C then take ramp to Airport Dr then take Left at top of that ramp then around to service road and then SB on Ave C.

To get to Hotels and to NB Ave C from EB Circle take Airport exit (via ramp) to Cynthia then east to the hotels / NB Ave C, Essentially making Cynthia a Service road. Another benefit is, with right turn only from Ave C to WB circle traffic out of Airport Industrial will be faster, and anyone wishing to go EB circle will route to Airport Dr. which is now grade separated allowing Circle drive traffic (even Ave C Right turners) to quickly leave the area.

This way trucks accelerating from Idylwyld don't have to stop again and clogg up traffic more, also, closing Laurier and Clancy to Left turns and building an overpass at Boychuck would make it so that trucks have to slow down only once (and not to a full stop nearly ever) whilst continuing on HWY 16. Even without having the East Bypass.

Also those wondering about fire-fighter access SFD Hall No. 4 would make a right turn into the hotel area's. And take the access up and over Airport to get to Ave C South Business area.

Also installing lights at Robin Crescent / Airport Dr. would be needed to facilitate the large amount of new traffic from the new Business park and Airport expansion.

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Here is how I would sign it:

Driving EB Circle Approaching Airport Dr:



After Taking Ramp to Right, before Split this sign:



Approaching Airport Dr and Cynthia Intersection:



Hope that clears up what I am trying to accomplish with this design.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2013, 6:11 PM
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Interesting ideas, North Regina Boy. I never thought of the Airport Drive interchange as an opportunity to clean up some of the mess and Ave C and Circle Dr.
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This may be old news to some of you about that row of concrete blocks. (Eastbound on 22nd/Circle at Tim's.) That was brought up this morning on Gormley's show. I'd also agree that; one day, there will be a real bad-🞵🞵🞵 accident due to those lane-divider blocks.
     
     
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Interesting ideas, North Regina Boy. I never thought of the Airport Drive interchange as an opportunity to clean up some of the mess and Ave C and Circle Dr.
I work in this area and I know it is a way for me to get to work easier. However, this also helps the whole traffic flow in the area by making it free-flow with a cost of around I'd say 90-100M for the whole project (Maybe less) this would expedite turns and make trucking in North Saskatoon many times better / faster. For commuters as well.

It doesn't take a lot to thoughtfully think out a solution, and a proper solution is what I think this area needs.

What I include in my 90-100M price tag is:

Boychuck Hwy 16 Interchange - 35M
Airport Drive Interchange - 35M
Ave C Improvements - 5M
Idylwyld / Circle Improvements - 10M
Closing Laurier and Clancy / Improvements - 5M
Contingency / Design - 10M
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2013, 6:21 PM
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This may be old news to some of you about that row of concrete blocks. (Eastbound on 22nd/Circle at Tim's.) That was brought up this morning on Gormley's show. I'd also agree that; one day, there will be a real bad-🞵🞵🞵 accident due to those lane-divider blocks.
Yes I agree. Someone is going to die or be seriously injured there (and sad to say, it won't be long before that happens)

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