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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 1:53 PM
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By the way, contemplating those images, it is really rather nifty how much they are improving access to the East Liberty Busway Station. The key is the new street along the Busway (on the East Liberty side in the new development site)--that allows much better access to the new pedestrian bridge (and associated steps and ramps) in an arc that goes from the new Highland bridge all the way around to Penn Avenue across from the Target, with help from the pedestrian paths through the planned apartment complex. Then removing the Bus Loop allows them to complete the circle of improved access, from the new transfer station on Penn in an arc around to Ellsworth.

So basically, there will be a more or less straight pedestrian path to the Busway Station no matter which direction you are approaching from (with only a bit longer route in some cases if you need to use a ramp rather than stairs). And as a bonus, Shady Avenue will now have a straight pedestrian path over to the heart of East Liberty (eliminating the need to follow the L-route down to Penn and then back up).
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 5:18 PM
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Pittsburgh ranked eighth among large cities for commuting without cars




By Bobby Kerlik

Published: Tuesday, Oct. 29, 2013, 11:51 p.m.
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Waiting for his bus home from Downtown on Tuesday, Jack King was surprised to hear Pittsburgh ranks eighth among large cities where people commute to work by means other than cars.

“It's cheaper. The gas, the oil and parking is immensely expensive. The bus, in the end, saves me money,” King, 52, of Brighton Heights, said.

The Institute for Quality Communities at the University of Oklahoma dug through Census Bureau data — from the 2012 American Community Survey — on how Americans travel to work in the 60 largest cities and released its finding this week. Some walk, some bike, some use public transit.

Among Pittsburgh residents, 29.2 percent matched that category.

Among Northeast cities, Pittsburgh trailed New York, Washington, Boston and Philadelphia. But compared to Midwest cities, Pittsburgh trailed only Chicago, besting Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, St. Louis and others. Pittsburgh was well ahead of southern cities including Miami, Dallas and San Diego.

“I'd say that's pretty good overall — eighth,” said Shane Hampton, a fellow at the Institute for Quality Communities who researched the data. “The Northeast is the leader. The region is older and developed before the car was invented. A lot of areas there were developed to be gotten around on foot or by streetcar. The Sunbelt cities had most of their development in the 20th century during sprawl. Transit is really the key to all of it.”

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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 5:27 PM
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I dream of the day our transit system is properly funded. Imagine where our numbers would be then.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 5:28 PM
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^can you imagine where on the list we would be with a true transit system? or if the buses had a true timetable?
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 6:28 PM
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I truly love this project. From the footprint, context and public-friendliness (TOD, trails access, etc) It's literally the perfect infill project. The utilization of the available space is amazing, considering the awkward lot and the challenging issues with the station, the street, the pedestrian access points, the bridges and the historical row of commercial buildings adjacent. It also completes a critical part of the East Liberty urban fabric. The design looks pretty damn good to boot. This gets a an A+

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Random note, but the site clearing for the East Liberty Transit Center complex is really moving along. The big shed-like building that housed the tennis courts is completely gone, and they are well into tearing down the former bus loop structures.

As a reminder, this is what they are planning to do with the site:



This image gives an idea of what they are aiming to do through the infrastructure phase:



And this is what they started with:

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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 7:58 PM
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What's going on at the Gardens at Market Square site? Excavation well underway?
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 8:16 PM
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I dream of the day our transit system is properly funded. Imagine where our numbers would be then.
Oh I agree. I'm actually amazed that Pittsburgh ranks as high as it does! The city does seem to be headed in the right direction at least. How about that East Liberty development?! Granted, the buildings don't look very tall, but I guess there the buildings don't have to be tall to be considered urban development. They're about 4-6 stories tall from the looks of the renderings. Even with that, this development is very much pedestrian-oriented!

With projects like this, and my vision for an extension of the LRT system and PA 65, the city could take a quantum leap in that direction of becoming more transit and bike/pedestrian oriented in terms of both land use and transportation...

Oh, and regarding my vision for the North Side, the Bike and Ped Coordinator for the City is interested in looking at it; we met and discussed it at the PA Planning Association convention last week in Harrisburg.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 9:12 PM
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If that ranking is just for the City, then it is probably a bit inflated by the fact the City of Pittsburgh is on the small side relative to its Metro size. Still, there is no doubt the historic (pre-WWII) core of the urbanized area is well-suited for transit in part because it was originally developed around transit. And there is room for a lot more infill development that would further increase transit use, particularly with some smart transit investments.

Of course that last is a big qualifier, but there are reasons to believe both the state and feds will eventually become transit-friendly again. It just may take a few electoral cycles to get there.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2013, 12:47 AM
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As I recall those ELTC apartments are as tall as they could get automatic zoning approval for. They could probably have sought approval for higher, but just speculating, they might have run into opposition from Shadyside folks. In any event, that is plenty dense enough to support basic urban policy goals (walkability, transit utilization, and so on), and there are other areas in East Liberty where higher buildings might make sense down the road.
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I worked on this part of my Chateau-Manchester project for a few days. Here's what I have so far in terms of potential development between the casino and Heinz FIeld. More images to follow.



I'm sure the Rooneys will have a thing or two to say about this, however...
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More like the Science Center will have something to say about it...
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You can't really put a large number of residential units right there unless you rethink the traffic patterns around that area. Or find renters who don't mind being trapped in the area every game day during the Fall.
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The most beautiful campus in Pittsburgh is probably Chatham University. It includes and is surrounded by robber baron era mansions and gardens and is absolutely stunning.
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^can you imagine where on the list we would be with a true transit system? or if the buses had a true timetable?
Yeah, it's amazing considering the crappiness of the bus system in the East End particularly... some of which is due to factors of density and topography and adequate street system (or lack thereof)... but it's still pretty crappy.

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Oh, and regarding my vision for the North Side, the Bike and Ped Coordinator for the City is interested in looking at it; we met and discussed it at the PA Planning Association convention last week in Harrisburg.
Cool!
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2013, 2:53 PM
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East Liberty is once again rising as the downtown of the East End. I like it.
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Yeah, it's amazing considering the crappiness of the bus system in the East End particularly... some of which is due to factors of density and topography and adequate street system (or lack thereof)... but it's still pretty crappy.
And the East End bus system is probably the best of all the city bus systems.


Does anyone know what's in this transit plan that Corbett is suddenly pushing? http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2013/10/31/Act-now-on-transportation/stories/201310310139

Seems like something I should know, but I can't recall what's currently being floated. And do we know how it affects PAT specifically?
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2013, 3:45 PM
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I bet you could market units next to Heinz notwithstanding the traffic issues on game days due to the T station being right there.

Last I knew, this was the basic situation with the state transportation bill. The Senate by an overwhelming vote passed a bipartisan plan. It wasn't necessarily ideal in various respects, but it more or less preserved the traditional split of road versus transit funding, and got new revenues from a combination of uncapping gas taxes and raising various fees and fines.

The House Republican leadership then tried to overhaul the bill in a way that would please their tea-party-types. They cut back a lot on the new revenues, and took basically all of that funding out of transit (meaning the new split would be way more biased in favor of roads than has traditionally been the case, which is basically just a way of screwing the large urban counties). They also added some anti-union stuff, and so on.

The problem is that even with all those changes, the bill still raised gas taxes, and so the tea-party-types refused to vote for it anyway. The House Republican leadership then went to the House Democrats and asked for help passing the bill. The House Democrats said if you want our help, you have to restore the transit funding, remove some of the anti-union stuff, and so on--basically, go back to the Senate bill. The House Republican leadership didn't want to do that, and so nothing was passed (which then triggered a collapse of the liquor reform process, which is a whole other story).

All this should sound familiar, since it is basically the same dynamic that keeps playing out at the federal level. Decent compromise bills can pass the Senate, but nothing can pass through the House because the only bills that could make it through would require mainstream Republicans joining with Democrats, and the mainstream Republicans are too afraid of their tea-party-types to do that.

Anyway, up to now Corbett has provided very lukewarm support in favor of the Senate approach, but hasn't been willing to lean on the House Republicans to pass it. I don't know what he is currently proposing (I might try to look it up), but I'll bet dollars to donuts it won't do any good unless he has already checked that the House Democrats would be willing to go along, and that the House Republican leadership is finally willing to override the tea-party-types.

Edit: By the way, I have seen some reporting (like this article) that seems to suggest the only remaining hangup is whether to increase the threshold for the prevailing wage law. If so that is great news--that is a difficult issue but hopefully amenable to some basic horse-trading and compromise.

On the other hand if there are still unresolved revenue and transit funding issues, that is where there might be a real possibility of no bill at all.

Edit #2: This article doesn't really answer all of my questions, but at least helps provide confirmation of the basic issues at stake:

http://mediatrackers.org/pennsylvania/20...m-corbett-rock-hard-place-transportation

It sounds like Corbett might well be pushing for a House vote on the Senate bill. The question would then be whether mainstream Republicans were released by the House Republican Leadership to provide enough votes to pass it.

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Old Posted Oct 31, 2013, 11:34 PM
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You can't really put a large number of residential units right there unless you rethink the traffic patterns around that area. Or find renters who don't mind being trapped in the area every game day during the Fall.
That is a valid point, but if you read the rest of my post you'd see that's only part of what I envision for not only the space between Heinz Field and the Rivers Casino, but also along an overhauled PA 65/US 19 Corridor that includes the removal of the 6-lane freeway and replacing it with a wide parkway/boulevard with the LRT extending down the middle. It's my suggestion for Peduto should he pursue a light rail extension to the airport.

I think you could kill a ton of birds with this one stone: improving traffic and transportation problems in this part of the city, creating new development/redevelopment opportunities, revitalizing the neighborhoods, etc...

In any event, not only do I envision the rental units there, but that other tall building to the left is a hotel with a restaurant/retail component on the lower floors. I know the casino has expressed interest in building a hotel, but I'm not sure if that would be built into the existing casino structure (you have to factor in space for the hotel's lobby and elevators as well as other amenities), or as an adjacent structure. In the design I posted, I have the hotel going on the vacant piece of land across the street. There isn't one yet, but I'm going to put in a pedestrian bridge linking the hotel with the casino. Both will share a car port that will span Casino Drive; the pedestrian walkway will use part of the car port.
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I worked on this part of my Chateau-Manchester project for a few days. Here's what I have so far in terms of potential development between the casino and Heinz FIeld. More images to follow.



I'm sure the Rooneys will have a thing or two to say about this, however...
I'm in favor of any development that puts high rises anywhere in the city other than the triangle, and I think the closeness to the subway station, and walking distances to other amenities would offset the traffic issues on game days and big concert events.
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Thanks for that post Brian. Informative!
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Hey folks. I've been in Philly for 36 years but moving back to McKeesport next month (my hometown). I've been keeping up with the new construction and whatnot but if anyone knows whether PAT has any plans to restore some/all of the service that was suspended back in (I think) 2011 could you let me know? I would appreciate it. Figures I'd leave Philly when a construction boom was starting but at least I'll get to see PNC go up.
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