Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 440

Chadillaccc · #**8781** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 2:22 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I definitely see a rebranding of the Palliser if this old rumour of City Centre being a Fairmont is true. I don't see Choice label but, maybe a Hilton or even Conrad or Waldorf.

Waldorf would be sweet. I doubt it would be that though, unfortunately

If the branding is changed, hopefully it would be accompanied by a complete restoration of the exterior and maybe a 5 floor modern addition on top, with a new grand ballroom as the 21st floor (like the current one on the 15th floor, but larger, more functional, and modern).

rbt · #**8782** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 2:33 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I definitely see a rebranding of the Palliser if this old rumour of City Centre being a Fairmont is true. I don't see Choice label but, maybe a Hilton or even Conrad or Waldorf.

Not likely. Out of the 17,000 rooms InnVest owns across Canada, only 850 are under a Hilton brand and most of those were recent acquisitions from Hilton.

Palliser as a Fairmont property averaged $231 per night in 2012. A decent rate but not spectacular for that kind of building and they do not disclose the vacancy rate in their annual report.

It might end up a Delta as they have 11 Delta branded properties, some branded after taking ownership, and they tend to be their larger properties. The own the Calgary Airport Delta but not the one downtown.

I still think the easiest thing for them to do is independently brand it (they do that too) and contract management out to Choice. Good Choice staff then have someplace to be promoted to instead of going to a competitor.

Chadillaccc · #**8783** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 2:38 PM**

You think it's more likely that the premier luxury hotel of the entire prairie provinces would be converted into a Quality Inn rather than to another luxury brand similar to what it currently is/has been for a century?

InnVest obviously sees the value in having it managed by a luxury brand now, why wouldn't they in the future?

WhipperSnapper · #**8784** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 3:41 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Where did the 210 meter number come from?

Not that I think this one will be 525 feet ...

3 m slab to slab + 6 m retail floors + mechanical and crown. I was expecting a sculptural form and not a decorated box. This will likely be in the 190s having a tough time reaching 200 metres.

red-paladin · #**8785** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 4:30 PM**

Come on, there are three Fairmonts in walking distance of each other in Vancouver. Calgary can handle one more.

Chadillaccc · #**8786** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 4:37 PM**

Exactly

In other news, looks like Husky Oil in Calgary is looking for over 1 million square feet of new office space in the downtown core. This could end up coming to light as the rumoured new tallest. Three new tallests + another one(Telus Sky) taller than our tallest before the boom (Suncor) would be incredible.

The official groundbreaking for Brookfield Place is this today.

rbt · #**8787** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 4:52 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Come on, there are three Fairmonts in walking distance of each other in Vancouver.

Sure. But Westmount, owner of Fairmont Hotel Vancouver and a number of other Fairmont hotels, isn't InnVest.

Quote:

Calgary can handle one more.

I didn't say it couldn't. I said the owner would not be interested in that.

Ramako · #**8788** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 5:58 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

3 m slab to slab + 6 m retail floors + mechanical and crown. I was expecting a sculptural form and not a decorated box. This will likely be in the 190s having a tough time reaching 200 metres.

Good guess. Approximately 188.9 metres.

http://www.toronto.ca/planning/yorkville/1_yorkville.htm

From UT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mongo

From the elevations at that site: height to top of building - 188.896m (assuming a 1.5m extension of the decorative "skin" above the top of the rooftop amenity, the distance is not marked on the elevation drawing but it looks to be that amount, plus or minus 10 cm) equals 619 feet 9 inches.

The total height was not marked, I had to add up all the floor heights.

There are also four levels of parking reaching 13.975m (45 feet 10 inches) below ground level, with the elevator pit extending a further 3.66m (12 feet) further down.

Here is the Yonge Street elevation of the base of the tower (the grey shading indicates restoration area):

And the plan view:

Beedok · #**8789** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 6:08 PM**

These heritage podiums look a bit silly on these highrises.

Coldrsx · #**8790** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 6:12 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Come on, there are three Fairmonts in walking distance of each other in Vancouver. Calgary can handle one more.

Vancouver has a much higher tourist count, a port with cruise ships and a larger higher end visitor type...

Gresto · #**8791** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 6:51 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramako

Good guess. Approximately 188.9 metres.

Hmm, then I wonder who conjured up the absurd 160m that I posted.

caltrane74 · #**8792** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 7:07 PM**

I could see this one popping over 200 meters with a 5 to 10 floor height increase, and I don't think that would be unreasonable, considering Minto is planning their 240 meter tower just a stone throw away, and of course, Holts, and One Bloor and Four Seasons are all (or going to be) in the neighbourhood.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**8793** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 7:30 PM**

The Bazis and Varacalli 58 storey E Condo south tower at Yonge and Eglinton is 194m

vegeta_skyline · #**8794** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 7:47 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

The Bazis and Varacalli 58 storey E Condo south tower at Yonge and Eglinton is 194m

The database lists that one as 54 stories.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**8795** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 7:54 PM**

the latest drawings that I have seen have the building at 58 storeys (not including MPH)

Innsertnamehere · #**8796** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 8:55 PM**

E condos is 58.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**8797** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 9:10 PM**

RAW and Giannone Petricone are working on the Daniels site on Queens Quay East

WhipperSnapper · #**8798** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 10:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by caltrane74

I could see this one popping over 200 meters with a 5 to 10 floor height increase, and I don't think that would be unreasonable, considering Minto is planning their 240 meter tower just a stone throw away, and of course, Holts, and One Bloor and Four Seasons are all (or going to be) in the neighbourhood.

When was the last time you saw a tower proposal gain height?

Innsertnamehere · #**8799** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 11:01 PM**

Aura? One Bloor? (twice) Five?

Ramako · #**8800** Posted **Oct 30, 2013, 11:01 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

When was the last time you saw a tower proposal gain height?

Probably 88 Scott.