YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[YYCspotter]

Rumour over on Flyertalk.com that OZ is going to take over flying for AC on YVR-ICN next spring. Source is a YVR concierge. Apparently OZ have contracted AC to do its ground handling for them. It appears that AC is trying to free up a 767.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YYCspotter

Rumour over on Flyertalk.com that OZ is going to take over flying for AC on YVR-ICN next spring. Source is a YVR concierge. Apparently OZ have contracted AC to do its ground handling for them. It appears that AC is trying to free up a 767.

"Take over" or "in addition to?". I have understood YVR has been on Asiana's radar for the last few years as one of the top priority new destinations.

Air Canada's short-lived attempt at non-stops to YYZ was just that, short-lived.

Not sure if AC is trying to free up a 767 other than transfer more of them to Rouge....

As always... Guess we'll have to wait and see for an announcement....

[YYCspotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

"Take over" or "in addition to?". I have understood YVR has been on Asiana's radar for the last few years as one of the top priority new destinations.

Air Canada's short-lived attempt at non-stops to YYZ was just that, short-lived.

Not sure if AC is trying to free up a 767 other than transfer more of them to Rouge....

As always... Guess we'll have to wait and see for an announcement....

The user on Flyertalk said take over flying from AC.. considering they are star alliance partners it might happen.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YYCspotter

The user on Flyertalk said take over flying from AC.. considering they are star alliance partners it might happen.

Of course... In the airline world anything is possible.

The comment about AC appearing to be trying to free up a 767. Is that part of the speculation? My understanding is Asiana adding its own flights. Perhaps... perhaps not. The fact they have contracted AC to do the ground handling makes sense in any event.

[YYCspotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Of course... In the airline world anything is possible.

The comment about AC appearing to be trying to free up a 767. Is that part of the speculation? My understanding is Asiana adding its own flights. Perhaps... perhaps not. The fact they have contracted AC to do the ground handling makes sense in any event.

About the 767, just a guess on my part.. with all the rouge expansion they might need it?

We'll have too see what happens I guess. Maybe OZ takes over the AC flight, or maybe they are just in addition.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YYCspotter

About the 767, just a guess on my part.. with all the rouge expansion they might need it?

We'll have too see what happens I guess. Maybe OZ takes over the AC flight, or maybe they are just in addition.

Agreed. Until the deal is signed and sealed... Always fun to speculate though. Wouldn't surprise me if they free up a 763 to do more transcon as equip seems either too big or too small to gain efficiencies on nailing the right frequency. YVR-YYZ up to 4 777 a day in winter with reduced frequency and a 333 being thrown on YUL. Lots of heavy transcon action this winter!

[deasine]

I'll believe it when I see it. Not that it's an unreasonable proposition, but OZ has not been aggressively expanding due to its fleet size and without additional deliveries, additional destinations without reducing existing capacity will be a challenge. However, something like this wouldn't be unreasonable especially since AC has announced YYZ being its first primary global hub. Transferring this route over to OZ while adding a codeshare will allow AC to transfer its resources back to Rouge and YYZ as you said. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if NRT is the next to be dropped if ANA launches services here...

[moosejaw]

Any schematics with whats going on with A-B connector? All i can find is the one YT video

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by deasine

I'll believe it when I see it. Not that it's an unreasonable proposition, but OZ has not been aggressively expanding due to its fleet size and without additional deliveries, additional destinations without reducing existing capacity will be a challenge. However, something like this wouldn't be unreasonable especially since AC has announced YYZ being its first primary global hub. Transferring this route over to OZ while adding a codeshare will allow AC to transfer its resources back to Rouge and YYZ as you said. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if NRT is the next to be dropped if ANA launches services here...

Asiana is getting its first A380s next spring so expect a fleet shuffle. Agreed though, until the deal is signed and sealed... Let's wait and see.

[Johnny Aussie]

Did a bit more sniffing around about this Asiana rumour.

Interestingly, Air Canada has just moved their YVR-ICN flight next summer from a departure of 1150 to a 1325 departure. The flight is still showing as AC63 daily 763. One could argue these flight times (both inbound and outbound at ICN) more closely match Asiana's other North American flights



This is the only Asian flight by Air Canada that has moved departure times (so far) next summer. Asiana's code-share is still showing at 1150... sometimes the carrier operating the flight shifts their times first before the codeshare airlines follow.

[Johnny Aussie]

China Eastern has just loaded their double daily service again for next summer's schedule to PVG. Assuming they must have been successful.

Was showing only single daily a few days ago.

So flights will be daily at 0130 and 1330. Exactly 12 hours apart.

[Johnny Aussie]

Looking like another decent month

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Sep_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Highlights:

Overall up 3.3% best Sept ever
Domestic up 3.8% best Sept ever
Transborder up 1.5%
Asia Pacific up 7.4% best Sept ever
Europe up 0.1% (scheduled up 11.5% but charter down 22.4%**)
** reflects the decrease in Air Transat flying and the loss of Air Berlin
Misc International - down 8.1% (less sun destination flying)

[cyeg66]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looking like another decent month

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Sep_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Highlights:

Overall up 3.3% best Sept ever
Domestic up 3.8% best Sept ever
Transborder up 1.5%
Asia Pacific up 7.4% best Sept ever
Europe up 0.1% (scheduled up 11.5% but charter down 22.4%**)
** reflects the decrease in Air Transat flying and the loss of Air Berlin
Misc International - down 8.1% (less sun destination flying)

Beat me to it. Pretty good month overall. YVR's gonna come really close to beating their record year of 2008, finally. I figure it'll come to within +\- 10k.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by cyeg66

Beat me to it. Pretty good month overall. YVR's gonna come really close to beating their record year of 2008, finally. I figure it'll come to within +\- 10k.

It will be tight.

Looking towards the end of 2013 only... further boosts happen in late winter 2014 but that won't affect 2013's numbers obviously.

Domestic - capacity seeing a tick up with the new Encore services (most of these are pure additions and not replacing mainline with the exception of YLW where one of the daily mainlines is being replaced by Encore but YXS goes to 4 daily with one of the daily jets being replaced by two daily Encore). Compared to last winter, new routes to YKA, YXT, YXJ and YYJ. However, there is the loss of YUL Westjet non-stops for the winter. Air Canada domestic about the same overall with a few shifts around here and there. Actually, because of the new Q400s there actually are quite a few capacity increases on a few routes (YLW, YXJ, YXT, YXS) plus increases to YXY (going to be 2 daily mainline) YWG (increasing to 3 daily from 2 last winter) and YMM (going to 2 daily CRJs from 1 last winter). And some serious heavy mainline action to YYZ and a daily 333 to YUL.

Transborder - Westjet's net increase of 1 additional daily spread between LIH and KOA. United showing slight capacity increases mainly due to equipment vs additional flights. AS to SEA up one daily to a total of 7 and LAX upguaging one of the dailies to a 739 plus the midday flight goes to a mix of 738/739 as well. AC to LAX upgauging the morning flight from E90 to 320, but losing one weekly frequency to each of HNL and OGG. There don't appear to be any other capacity cuts on any route.

International - all about China of course (increases by CZ, CA, MU). Plus additional Sunwing sun destination flights. Air NZ frequencies up as well (wouldn't be surprised to see next winter they increase to daily from 6 weekly). Philippines keeps flipping around up and down but pretty much the same. And Air Canada chucks the high density 77W on certain flights starting this week. Everyone else pretty much the same. There don't appear to be any capacity cuts on any route compared to the same period last year.

So looking fairly promising...

[twoNeurons]

Wow. Lots of activity here. I'm with deasine. I'd be surprised if AC kept NRT if ANA starts flying the route. Here's hoping ANA chooses to fly HND-YVR with a 787. Great news for passengers, though. Both ANA and JAL offer an excellent trans-pacific product.

A little disappointed that YYZ got the HND flight, but I guess that leaves the opportunity open for ANA to fly to YVR. It could be a Atar alliance strategy as well. AC may have talked to ANA and offered ANA YVR-HND in exchange for AC running HND-YYZ.

The South American connection is interesting. I can't speak for China, but Brazil and Japan have had a long-standing relationship going back many decades with many Japanese emigrants moving to Brazil and Brazilian emigrants moving to Japan.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Both ANA and JAL offer an excellent trans-pacific product.

A little disappointed that YYZ got the HND flight, but I guess that leaves the opportunity open for ANA to fly to YVR. It could be a Atar alliance strategy as well. AC may have talked to ANA and offered ANA YVR-HND in exchange for AC running HND-YYZ.

The South American connection is interesting. I can't speak for China, but Brazil and Japan have had a long-standing relationship going back many decades with many Japanese emigrants moving to Brazil and Brazilian emigrants moving to Japan.

Yes. And JAL will introduce their new Sky Suite in a few weeks on the YVR-NRT route.

Would be great to see both ANA and Asiana at YVR. I wouldn't be surprised to see ANA do YVR-HND and AC do YVR-NRT. The slots are now there for ANA-Canada so will have to wait and see what they do with them.

[Johnny Aussie]

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-n...med-by-lonely-planet-20131028-2wbpm.html

I am not necessarily saying this will boost travel numbers but I doubt this hurts!

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-n...med-by-lonely-planet-20131028-2wbpm.html

I am not necessarily saying this will boost travel numbers but I doubt this hurts!

Given the Australian source, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an even higher frequency of AC YVR-SYD flights this year. While the AUD has slumped a little compared to the same time last year, I think travel between the two countries has been steadily increasing.

Or AC can just fly their high density 777-300ER instead... good luck Johnny.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by deasine

Given the Australian source, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an even higher frequency of AC YVR-SYD flights this year. While the AUD has slumped a little compared to the same time last year, I think travel between the two countries has been steadily increasing.

Or AC can just fly their high density 777-300ER instead... good luck Johnny.

Bite your tongue. Unless I would be guaranteed J on that flying beast (either booked or using e-upgrades) I would choose Air NZ. I couldn't imagine having to spend 15 hours packed in the back of a high density 777. Not so bad on a shorter flight but not the mega long-haul!

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Bite your tongue. Unless I would be guaranteed J on that flying beast (either booked or using e-upgrades) I would choose Air NZ. I couldn't imagine having to spend 15 hours packed in the back of a high density 777. Not so bad on a shorter flight but not the mega long-haul!

That 777 is 3-3-3 right?
What does AZ use? what's their seating plan in economy?