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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 12:23 AM
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In Bob Young's defense, he wanted the stadium on the east mountain originally instead of downtown because he wanted that "driveway-to-driveway experience" with a lot of parking. And now he's able to achieve that at the current IWS site... oh wait.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 12:32 AM
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In Bob Young's defense, he wanted the stadium on the east mountain originally instead of downtown because he wanted that "driveway-to-driveway experience" with a lot of parking. And now he's able to achieve that at the current IWS site... oh wait.
Isn't it though...your driveway to someone elses or front lawn close to New IWS(for $20 bucks)
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 12:41 AM
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In Bob Young's defense, he wanted the stadium on the east mountain originally instead of downtown because he wanted that "driveway-to-driveway experience" with a lot of parking. And now he's able to achieve that at the current IWS site... oh wait.
That was the "compromise" site after mediation. I don't recall Young/Mitchell ever actually saying what the first choice was, though people believe it was Confederation Park on Lake Ontario.
EDIT: sorry, Confederation actually was noted by Young as the "most sensible location" in a letter to the mayor (one of many turns in the soap opera I've tried to forget)

Season ticket holders have been promised that parking will be available. There are some big lots on old industrial properties not too far away from the stadium so I imagine they'll offer those up for a price. Or rent space further away and run shuttles.

But I have never had a problem parking within a 10 minute walk of the Ivor Wynne site. For free, or at most pocket change in a city meter.

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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 4:15 AM
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Re: Ottawa, does anyone know how many temp seats they will be able to add?
Here's the answer from one of the latest vision documents. http://app06.ottawa.ca/cs/groups/content/@webottawa/documents/pdf/mdaw/mdc1/~edisp/cap076033.pdf

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The new stadium design will provide 22,500 permanent seats for CFL games and professional soccer matches and will be able to host a variety of other entertainment and sporting events. End zone seating on grass berms will bring the total seating capacity to 24,000. Additionally, the stadium site will be able to accommodate a temporary expansion of seating to 40,000 for Grey Cup games, concerts and other large national and international events.
You're looking at 17,500 temporary seats.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 4:22 AM
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Businessman hopes to build 35,000 seat pro cricket stadium here

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Businessman hopes to build 35,000 seat pro cricket stadium here

Brampton Guardian
By Pam Douglas

BRAMPTON— The City of Brampton is looking for private sector investment to help build a cricket stadium in the city’s northeast end.

City councillors directed staff to undertake a feasibility study and business analysis for a stadium at Gore Meadows, a 300 acre city-wide park at Castlemore Road and McVean Drive. The city will also issue a Request For Expressions of Interest (RFIE) from the private sector.

The feasibility study will look at types of stadiums and levels of use, from local to elite or professional, ways to build and operate a stadium, capital and operating costs, funding sources, the need for a national training and development centre, and ancillary uses including retail.

The city’s design called for a stadium of up to 5,000 seats, but CAO John Corbett said any and all expressions of interest would be considered and analyzed.

Brampton Mayor Susan Fennell said a Toronto businessman has already expressed his interest in a recent meeting with her.

Roy Singh is launching the professional Canadian Premier League T20 next August, and he’s looking around the GTA for a location to build a $200 million, 35,000-seat professional cricket stadium.

Although he has met with Mississauga Mayor Hazel McCallion and others, Singh said he’s “pretty happy” with Brampton.

“Brampton is pretty much the number one contender because it has the actual land we are looking at,” he told The Guardian.

He said the feasibility study, which could be complete by early next summer, would look at issues such as traffic, but he said the Gore Meadows site is easily accessible.

He said building a “modernized, technologically alive” cricket stadium is not an easy project, but he will bring sponsorship money and private sector investment into the project.

“I believe it’s time to make this happen,” he said.

According to their website, the league is “to serve as a training ground for developing professional cricket players, coaches and personnel on and off the field and to that aim, emphasis will be placed on fundamental development, career advancement and community involvement.”

The city had already set aside $1 million in a previous budget for its 44 per cent share of the $2.073 million cost to build a cricket facility for a special Pan Am Event. However, when the Pan Am organizers pulled out of the deal, the city said it could use funds set aside for park development to pay the additional $1.073 million and build the facility itself.

Now, the city says it is looking at all options to bring a cricket stadium here.

“Cricket is a significant growth sport and a large Brampton facility is needed to meet the community’s demand,” according to a news release issued by the city last year.

Singh originally wanted to reconfigure the Rogers Centre field so his league could play in Toronto. But that doesn't seem to be an option anymore and he is looking elsewhere to build a brand new stadium.

While traditional cricket matches can last all day or for several days, all matches in this CPL will be about 21/2 hours long so they can attract a television contract.

"The T20 format is exciting. It's sexy. It keeps you on the edge of your seat, " said Singh, who runs a CINRO, a gold exploration company based in Toronto and is the founder and CEO of the CPLT20. "People love the Maple Leafs. Fans love excitement. I think this format will adapt very well here.

"Teams will play one game. Each team will get only 120 pitches. Each of the 11 players plays until he gets out."

Similar tournaments are currently staged in other countries, but if Singh can make it happen, he hopes to stage the first event of its kind on Canadian soil as soon as possible.

Singh said in April there is international interest to invest in the Canadian concept, but the big stumbling block has been finding a venue.

Under his plan, franchises, owned by major Canadian corporations representing about 10 cities from across Canada, will put $1 million in trust. Each team will run its own budget to pay players. International stars currently playing in similar leagues are paid about $500,000 for their seven-week commitment.

Each team will need about 15 players, most of whom will make between $50,000 and $100,000. All teams will share profits from merchandising and advertising and television contracts equally.

To attract a wide range of fans, Singh plans to have celebrities and international singers perform at the games. They will also have the chance to be involved in team ownership.

"I've already spoken to several (singer and celebrity) managers and there is interest, " Singh said in April. "I see cricket as being the next big breakthrough sport in Canada. And imagine if you came to a game and singers like Justin Bieber and Rihanna were there and involved?"

The plan is for all the teams to assemble in one location and play 58 games over seven weeks in August and September. These international players have other commitments so the games must be played over a short period of time. That's the way it works in other Premier Leagues, Singh said.

By enticing international players to Canada, Singh hopes the league will gain instant recognition.

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http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-sto...ld-35-000-seat-pro-cricket-stadium-here/
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 4:33 AM
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Here's the answer from one of the latest vision documents. http://app06.ottawa.ca/cs/groups/content/@webottawa/documents/pdf/mdaw/mdc1/~edisp/cap076033.pdf



You're looking at 17,500 temporary seats.
Thanks!

I hope to make a road trip or two during the regular season as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 2:39 PM
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A lot of pages to catch up on today.

Was able to exeperience both a college and NFL game in Nashville over the weekend. Have to say I enjoyed the game in the "bare bones" Vanderbilt Stadium than I did at LP Field.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 4:52 PM
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Word trickling out of some Argo and Toronto FC fan sites is that MLSE will spend $ 100 million in renovations to add a roof and elongate the pitch so it can meet the requirements of CFL football. The plan is for the Argos to move in for the 2015 CFL season. PCL construction has been given the contract to do the renovations since they are the company that built BMO 7 years ago and thus it would make sense for them to get the contract to do the renos since they have all the engineering specs for BMO on their database ready to go. I personally would think they would have to demolish the single tier stands on the one side of the pitch and rebuild it to accommodate 8000-10000 more seats for Argo games and have another set of dressing rooms that can accommodate CFL players and not just soccer players.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 5:59 PM
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I can't get over how stupid moving the Argos to BMO Field is.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 6:30 PM
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I can't get over how stupid moving the Argos to BMO Field is.
I wouldn't say that it's stupid, but it is a surprisingly ghetto approach for Canada's supposedly "world class" city. Starting small and adding more seats tends to result in half-assed, frankenstein facilities like the old Winnipeg Stadium and Mosaic Stadium.

They should have just done it right the first time and built a proper mid-size venue for football and soccer. I wonder how much more it would cost to just demolish BMO Field and start all over again with a proper design?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 7:20 PM
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I wouldn't say that it's stupid, but it is a surprisingly ghetto approach for Canada's supposedly "world class" city. Starting small and adding more seats tends to result in half-assed, frankenstein facilities like the old Winnipeg Stadium and Mosaic Stadium.

They should have just done it right the first time and built a proper mid-size venue for football and soccer. I wonder how much more it would cost to just demolish BMO Field and start all over again with a proper design?
I say it's stupid because they already have played at an outdoor stadium in the exact same spot and it was an absolute disaster.

The entire reason the Skydome was built was because Exhibition Stadium, the "mistake by the lake" made conditions so bad they wanted a dome.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 7:38 PM
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MLSE spend a $100 million?
Elongated pitch?
2015?

Some rumours require a, "I'll believe it when I see it."
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 7:41 PM
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I say it's stupid because they already have played at an outdoor stadium in the exact same spot and it was an absolute disaster.

The entire reason the Skydome was built was because Exhibition Stadium, the "mistake by the lake" made conditions so bad they wanted a dome.
It wasn't an absolute disaster by any stretch... the Argos played there for over 30 years and were at their peak in terms of fan support and profitability. The 50s, 60s and 70s were a time when the Argos had sellout crowds and were front page news. It was only in the early 80s that the fans got tired of the old stadium and began clamoring for a dome.

These days, the fashion in sports is to have outdoor facilities for football and baseball. So, of course, that's what Toronto's fans want to have too, despite the fact that they already have one of the most comfortable and convenient facilities to watch a football game in North America.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 8:27 PM
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There is no way in hell Tim Horton's Field will be ready for the 2014 season in Hamilton. To me the move to BMO field makes the most sense for the long term survival of the Argos. BMO field or Exhibition stadium 2.0 or whatever you want to call it keeps the Argos downtown, brings them back to where they enjoyed their best years at the box office ie:1959 to 1983. Gives them the perfect stadium size to create atmosphere and demand for tickets in the 30,000 seat range and the possibility of having MLSE own them giving them unlimited resources which they have not had since the late 70's early 80's. Rogers Centre would kill the Argos in the long term and who knows if the Jays are going with natural grass in a few years they might do a full on renovation of the stadium to make it a baseball only facility because it will soon be close to a 30 year old ballpark that frankly could already use a facelift to make it feel more like a baseball park and not an all year events facility.
     
     
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I have always argued that Hamilton's stadium would not be ready to begin the 2014 season. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if they missed most or all of the season, just like Winnipeg.
     
     
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There is no way in hell Tim Horton's Field will be ready for the 2014 season in Hamilton.
Depends on your definition of "ready." There are probably numerous things that can remain unfinished for opening day if they wanted to try for a rolling start. The only things that are essential for opening day are the field, seats, bathrooms and media box. The rest (training/therapy facilities, club lounge, concessions) can be completed and rolled out throughout the season. Oh it would be a rough start, and with plenty of people unhappy - but if the game can go on, and everything looks good on TV, then they are still officially "open".
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 9:29 PM
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Depends on your definition of "ready." There are probably numerous things that can remain unfinished for opening day if they wanted to try for a rolling start. The only things that are essential for opening day are the field, seats, bathrooms and media box. The rest (training/therapy facilities, club lounge, concessions) can be completed and rolled out throughout the season. Oh it would be a rough start, and with plenty of people unhappy - but if the game can go on, and everything looks good on TV, then they are still officially "open".
My prediction is that even the bare essentials will not be ready for the start of the regular season, let alone the pre-season. There are only eight months left and the stadium is still a skeleton and they seem to be moving much too slowly.

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There are only eight months left and the stadium is still a skeleton.
The finished stadium isn't much more
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 9:41 PM
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The finished stadium isn't much more
That's true.
     
     
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