Edmonton Construction 11 (November 2011)

[Channing]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Also, a bit more on the Edmontonian

71 storeys

40 condo
18 hotel
13 commercial office and recreational
3 sky lobbies
71st floor 'PUBLIC SKY DECK'

On a piece of land the Galleria projects wants for the UofA...

[TimB09]

Originally Posted by BLACK STAR

Yeah for now....wheres your dam vision Mr.


In New York at the moment at the Milford...right off Time Square....wow!


No words to explain. Pictures to follow.....

Gorgeous view hey? I was just there over the summer. Unreal how active that whole area is.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Also, a bit more on the Edmontonian

71 storeys

40 condo
18 hotel
13 commercial office and recreational
3 sky lobbies
71st floor 'PUBLIC SKY DECK'

Will there be a nuclear reactor in the basement?

[Kevin_foster]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Development notices today:

'The Needle' - 10526 - Jasper Avenue
427 occupants

Lane closure behind Army and Navy on 97st by Dub... perhaps some action there? Would love more artist lofts there.

Excavate and shore for Kelly Ramsey!

Also, a bit more on the Edmontonian

71 storeys

40 condo
18 hotel
13 commercial office and recreational
3 sky lobbies
71st floor 'PUBLIC SKY DECK'

Dont touch my CKUA building!

[240glt]

The Edmontonian gets more surreal by the day.

'The Needle' LOL Sounds like a wonderful place

[240glt]

re: Fed.. no surprises there. The project has been a fiasco since the get-go almost.
I like how in the article the minister notes that "The architect blames the contractor, & the contractor blames the architect".. no mention of the fact that it was actually the owner than caused a great deal of the overruns and delays

Clark's not blameless, but this mess resides primarily on the shoulders of Kasian and the Provincial Government

Said it before & I'll say it again.. releasing a project to tender in bid packages, especially on a complicated project is a recipe for disaster

Going to be great when it's done though

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by 240glt

re: Fed.. no surprises there. The project has been a fiasco since the get-go almost.
I like how in the article the minister notes that "The architect blames the contractor, & the contractor blames the architect".. no mention of the fact that it was actually the owner than caused a great deal of the overruns and delays

Clark's not blameless, but this mess resides primarily on the shoulders of Kasian and the Provincial Government

Said it before & I'll say it again.. releasing a project to tender in bid packages, especially on a complicated project is a recipe for disaster

Going to be great when it's done though

for perspective, the following is a projected project analysis from 2003:

Federal Building Development Cost Summary:

Existing Building Retrofit 18,312,000

Town Homes 1,910,000
Parkade 2,200,000

Subtotal 22,422,000

Arch./Consulting 1,400,000

Legal/Insurance 100,000
Joint Venture Fee 100,000
Mortgage Fees 250,000
Marketing 500,000
Furniture 300,000
Finishes/Amenity Spaces 500,000

Subtotal 25,572,000

5% Contingency 1,278,600

Subtotal 26,850,600

Interim Financing @ 8% x 15m x .5 1,342,530

Subtotal 28,193,130

3% Development Fee 845,794

Total 29,038,924

granted it was a different scope of work - the proposed retrofit would have created high end rental residential units and not office space - but it was an interesting rfp response solution...

[240glt]

^ Even in 2003 dollars $18,000,000 sounds quite a bit on the cheap side to re-devlop the building. Granted they would have not have known about a lot of the issues that came up on the project now that would have had to have been dealt with then regardless.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by cdnklc

granted it was a different scope of work - the proposed retrofit would have created high end rental residential units and not office space - but it was an interesting rfp response solution...

Originally Posted by 240glt

^ Even in 2003 dollars $18,000,000 sounds quite a bit on the cheap side to re-devlop the building. Granted they would have not have known about a lot of the issues that came up on the project now that would have had to have been dealt with then regardless.

If you didn't have to put modern HVAC in, a lot of the issues could be avoided. Low height floors in there with only heating.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by 240glt

^ Even in 2003 dollars $18,000,000 sounds quite a bit on the cheap side to re-devlop the building. Granted they would have not have known about a lot of the issues that came up on the project now that would have had to have been dealt with then regardless.

it was a price prepared by a reputable general contractor with experience doing similar work and included detailed site inspections and tours with all of the major trades and a full complement of prime and sub-consultants...

as for "quite a bit on the cheap side", that's probably the last thing i'm usually criticized for.

[Airboy]

The mechanical was not complicated when I looked at the drawings. Ventilation was minimum and using cooling and heating panels’ doesn’t add a lot. The original building used natural ventilation and confected heating. Power plant wise the new system is quite a bit smaller.
I believe a lot of the issues were things found as they went along and a certain amount of mismanagement.

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

If you didn't have to put modern HVAC in, a lot of the issues could be avoided. Low height floors in there with only heating.

being residential we retained (replaced) the double hung windows and the suite layouts (up to three bedrooms with formal dining rooms and full kitchens) provided decent cross ventilation. the only cooling provided was to corridors and common areas. the large suites also minimized the humidity introduced by adding kitchens and bathrooms when compared with the mix of bachelor and one bedroom suites often done to maximize rents (the area and target market was the "high end" of the market and location considered ideal for that). all of the asbestos in the exterior walls was sealed and abandoned in place as was the main boiler in the sub-basement. this would have been done without adding additional insulation so as not to move the dew point in an assembly that had - at least until then - been performing well "as is". sometimes things are just better "leaving well enough alone" so that things that don't need to be done don't escalate out of control. when that does happen, it can often be traced back to those kinds of initial decisions as much as who gets tagged for implementing them.

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by Hallsy's Toupee

Is that the bar or resto opening in the old CKUA building?

Yuppers

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Yuppers

Seating or just stand in capacity for 427??

[Coldrsx]

Capacity.

[Coldrsx]

· Edmonton has been first or second among Canadian cities in GDP (gross domestic product) for years. In 2012, Edmonton saw its GDP grow by 4.2%, second only to Calgary.

· Edmonton’s population grew by 31,400 in 2012, second only to twice-as-big Greater Vancouver.

· Edmonton is way ahead of the pack (so far) for job creation in 2013. At 18,400 new jobs, we’re second only to six-times-bigger Greater Toronto.


Conference board of Canada

[CMD UW]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

· Edmonton has been first or second among Canadian cities in GDP (gross domestic product) for years. In 2012, Edmonton saw its GDP grow by 4.2%, second only to Calgary.

· Edmonton’s population grew by 31,400 in 2012, second only to twice-as-big Greater Vancouver.

· Edmonton is way ahead of the pack (so far) for job creation in 2013. At 18,400 new jobs, we’re second only to six-times-bigger Greater Toronto.


Conference board of Canada

Remarkable numbers. Lots of opportunity here and there is a certain level of confidence from many people.

[Harrison]

So given a population of 817,498 in 2012 (CoE census), at the beginning of 2013 we are looking at 848,898.

Not too shabby at all.

[Jasper and one o nin]

The increase is for the capital region and not the city of edmonton

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Airboy

The mechanical was not complicated when I looked at the drawings. Ventilation was minimum and using cooling and heating panels’ doesn’t add a lot. The original building used natural ventilation and confected heating. Power plant wise the new system is quite a bit smaller.
I believe a lot of the issues were things found as they went along and a certain amount of mismanagement.

Some of the subs have certainly deteriorated under the project. The previous contractor given the contract to do the security integration for the project was proving unable to deliver product, that by the end Clarke was chomping at the bit for another integrator there. Us taking on the project made us realise the charlie foxtrot in mismanagement going on with that project. Terms in the contracts awarded are very atypical given the size of the project, prompting overextention of the subtrades and making the subtrades very leery of any other discoveries that have yet to be uncovered with the building.