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Old Posted Oct 8, 2013, 11:53 PM
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Very interesting indeed...

This is the kind of thinking that will get people closer to downtown and jobs, less people commuting on highways (hopefully) and more people using EXISTING infrastructure and public transit.

David Chernuchenko's idea that Lees or entire neighbourhoods should be 8 stories high and that's it is idiotic. He says the neighbourhood will not be a "community", well a "community" is what the people make of it, if people want to know their neighbours and put together bake sales and events like that they can do it if they live in a suburban community as much as if they live in a condo high-rise community. Just because there are towers doesn't mean it will bring crime or that people will not feel "connected". He really is starting to get on my nerves... #diane2.0
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 12:27 AM
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Well said.
Communities dont have to be horizontal to be effective, they cab be vertical as well. Its all about the people who live there and what they make of it. Whether its a 5 storey tower or a 500 storey tower, that will have little to no baring on how much or little socializing there will be in that neighborhood.

And his tie in to higher rates of crime in high rises is also ridiculous. One of the areas with the highest crime rate in Ottawa is Manotick - how many high rises are there in that neck of the woods? Like communities, people have much more of a direct impact on crime rates than the size and shape of buildings.

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Very interesting indeed...

This is the kind of thinking that will get people closer to downtown and jobs, less people commuting on highways (hopefully) and more people using EXISTING infrastructure and public transit.

David Chernuchenko's idea that Lees or entire neighbourhoods should be 8 stories high and that's it is idiotic. He says the neighbourhood will not be a "community", well a "community" is what the people make of it, if people want to know their neighbours and put together bake sales and events like that they can do it if they live in a suburban community as much as if they live in a condo high-rise community. Just because there are towers doesn't mean it will bring crime or that people will not feel "connected". He really is starting to get on my nerves... #diane2.0
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 12:58 AM
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This would really be something!
A 21st-century take on the Greber Plan?

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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 3:01 AM
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What did you think of the discussion in the comments?
Well, you seem to be very well versed in Jane Jacobs, and you put together a good case.
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Very interesting indeed...

This is the kind of thinking that will get people closer to downtown and jobs, less people commuting on highways (hopefully) and more people using EXISTING infrastructure and public transit.

David Chernuchenko's idea that Lees or entire neighbourhoods should be 8 stories high and that's it is idiotic. He says the neighbourhood will not be a "community", well a "community" is what the people make of it, if people want to know their neighbours and put together bake sales and events like that they can do it if they live in a suburban community as much as if they live in a condo high-rise community. Just because there are towers doesn't mean it will bring crime or that people will not feel "connected". He really is starting to get on my nerves... #diane2.0
Right? I don't understand the logic at all.

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There’s no magic number of floors where a condo tower becomes too isolating, Chernushenko said, but a neighbourhood dominated by 30- and 40-storey buildings won’t be much of a neighbourhood.
Why would they not be much of neighbourhoods? What alternate is he proposing- increase the suburban sprawl?
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 1:20 PM
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I've certainly not noticed any construction going on. Maybe I'll go take a close look after work tonight to see if they're doing anything at all.
I passed by last night. The property is still a parking lot for the rental building and all the billboards have been taken down. The rental looks like it got the renovations, though.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 2:07 PM
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Thanks for the update. Looks like that April 2014 move-in date is a little off.


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I passed by last night. The property is still a parking lot for the rental building and all the billboards have been taken down. The rental looks like it got the renovations, though.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 2:32 PM
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Very interesting indeed...

This is the kind of thinking that will get people closer to downtown and jobs, less people commuting on highways (hopefully) and more people using EXISTING infrastructure and public transit.

David Chernuchenko's idea that Lees or entire neighbourhoods should be 8 stories high and that's it is idiotic. He says the neighbourhood will not be a "community", well a "community" is what the people make of it, if people want to know their neighbours and put together bake sales and events like that they can do it if they live in a suburban community as much as if they live in a condo high-rise community. Just because there are towers doesn't mean it will bring crime or that people will not feel "connected". He really is starting to get on my nerves... #diane2.0
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Well said.
Communities dont have to be horizontal to be effective, they cab be vertical as well. Its all about the people who live there and what they make of it. Whether its a 5 storey tower or a 500 storey tower, that will have little to no baring on how much or little socializing there will be in that neighborhood.

And his tie in to higher rates of crime in high rises is also ridiculous. One of the areas with the highest crime rate in Ottawa is Manotick - how many high rises are there in that neck of the woods? Like communities, people have much more of a direct impact on crime rates than the size and shape of buildings.
This reminds me, I used to have a summer job doing bbq catering. We'd load up trucks and go wherever we needed to go in the city, set up, and serve fresh made burgers and sides to large groups of people. There were a few times where we served several hundred people in apartment towers and condos. It was definitely a community/social exercise for them, so even a single condo/apartment tower can be its own community.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 5:36 PM
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Well, you seem to be very well versed in Jane Jacobs, and you put together a good case.


Thanks! I'm actually just reading "The Death and Life of Great American Cities", so I felt I should share some of that with him.

I was actually surprised because two people on there I recognized. Geoffrey Hall works with Katherine Hobbs, and attends the meetings she organized with the community and their associations in her wards. And then Alexandre Laquerre (who does Ottawa Past and Present) commented. I always thought he was a middle-aged man, not someone so young.
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This would really be something!
Where has the stadium gone? It's not across the 417 as planned?
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Where has the stadium gone? It's not across the 417 as planned?
Leadingedgeboomer said something about the new stadium being a mid-term solution before building something bigger and better a few years down the road.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2013, 11:26 PM
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Where has the stadium gone? It's not across the 417 as planned?
It's not just the stadium that's gone, it's the whole south campus. I imagine that U of O could profit quite nicely by selling it to developers, or orchestrating a land swap of some sort.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2013, 3:58 AM
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Leadingedgeboomer said something about the new stadium being a mid-term solution before building something bigger and better a few years down the road.
But where would that be, if not on south campus and not near Sandy Hill arena?

As for U of O, I understood that some of the taller buildings would be university buildings.
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But where would that be, if not on south campus and not near Sandy Hill arena?

As for U of O, I understood that some of the taller buildings would be university buildings.
One stop away at Hurdman! Ottawa U is already running out of space, surely they'd be a good candidate for for a plot at a new Hurdman Nexus.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2013, 4:28 AM
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One stop away at Hurdman! Ottawa U is already running out of space, surely they'd be a good candidate for for a plot at a new Hurdman Nexus.
Not a bad idea at all.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2013, 12:23 PM
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But where would that be, if not on south campus and not near Sandy Hill arena?

As for U of O, I understood that some of the taller buildings would be university buildings.
I don't remember for sure, but I think he said around Sandy Hill Arena.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2013, 12:09 AM
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Mutchmor Public School parking plan still being discussed with city, board says

By Neco Cockburn, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 10, 2013 4:00 PM


OTTAWA — Discussions with the city to find parking for an expanded Mutchmor Public School have turned to the possibility of using spaces on the street, says the Ottawa-Carleton District School Board.

Following community opposition to the potential creation of a strip of parking on a field the board owns across the street from the Glebe school, board staff said this past summer that they would try to reach a lease arrangement for parking in a new four-storey, 149-space garage being planned by the city a short distance away.

Jennifer Adams, the board’s director of education, stated in an email Wednesday evening, however, that “the timing of the completion of the parking garage may not align with the timing of the school construction,” and that “staff has been working with the city to access on street parking.”

The city hopes to open the garage in November of 2014, said Capital Coun. David Chernushenko. There was always the possibility that temporary on-street parking for the school would have to be explored for a “bridging” period between the opening of the larger Mutchmor building in September 2014 and the garage a couple of months later, he said.

“If the city can accommodate it for a temporary period and it’s not forcing us to pinch our noses and break with our own policies, then go to it to try and facilitate a solution here. Everybody wants to avoid parking on the field, even temporarily,” Chernushenko said.

The Mutchmor school, at 185 Fifth Ave., west of Bank Street, is being renovated and expanded in preparation for a “switch” in September that’s to see First Avenue Public School move into the building.

The addition of classrooms and a new main office and library means that 24 parking spaces are to be reduced to 14. With board staff intending to provide the same ratio of parking currently available at the First Avenue school, they have stated that a total of about 35 spaces would be needed.

After some parents, students, residents and politicians opposed the possibility that a row of parking would be introduced along the west side of the field across from school, staff announced in June that they planned to discuss a possible lease arrangement for space in the city’s planned parking garage at 170 Second Ave., near Bank Street.

They’d also look into a potential long-term option of acquiring additional land to develop for parking, staff stated in a memo at the time. A decision on parking is needed by April in order for it to be implemented by next summer, the memo stated.

Part of the field has since been hoarded off for construction staging, and in a recent message to parents, the school stated that the contractor has been asked to “avoid any parking on the field as much as possible” during the project.

The Glebe Community Association stated in an update to residents this week that the staging means the community won’t be able to use an ice rink at the field this winter for the first time since 1933.

Despite earlier assurances that the community would be kept in the loop, “OCDSB staff did not previously communicate this information to the community and have not maintained communications with the GCA on any other construction impacts,” the message stated.

Adams confirmed Wednesday that there will be no skating rink for 2013-2014 “in order to ensure a safe playground for students at Mutchmor during construction.” Board staff have met with school councils and community associations to share timelines for the construction project, she stated.

“The District remains committed to working with the community,” Adams wrote.

Next month, a committee that includes representatives of board staff, school councils, community associations and city are to begin working on a “rejuvenation plan” for the playground once the construction project is completed, she stated, and “a skating rink will be considered by this committee during their discussions.”

City staff aim to have a zoning application for the parking garage considered by council’s planning committee in December. The garage would include about 35 bicycle spaces and have a couple of parkettes containing plants and street furniture at either end, on Second and Third avenues, according to a planning rationale document that’s part of the application.

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It's kind of ridiculous the amount of effort that is being expended here to ensure teachers continue to get free parking.

I'm no teacher basher, but I don't understand why free parking is considered such an inherent right. Teachers parking at any school should be required to pay for a monthly pass to offset at least the cost of lot maintenance. (Yes, that includes the schools in Kanata, Orleans, etc).

As it is now, the budget for construction and maintenance of parking lots is coming out of coffers that could otherwise be spent in the classroom.
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Teachers get free parking? Why?
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2013, 3:35 AM
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http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/ne...June_Sales.pdf

The most notable transaction was the purchase of 1140 Wellington Street for
$5,500,000 or $104/sf of site area by Tamarack Corporation from The Governing Council of the Salvation Army in Canada. Tamarack Corporation intends to redevelop the property with a thirteen-storey residential condominium that will incorporate the existing heritage office building into the design.

here's the site
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