Western Expresso

[Cyro]

^^ Touche, yes we can blame Troy Westwood actually, about 9-10 years ago. Still sounds better than the Prarie Bowl, after the Banjo comments came out. Have fun good luck today. Man that boy from deliverance can play a mean banjo..

[Riverman]

Haha, this funny!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/18/how-to-be-a-vancouverite-video_n_3949737.html

[Cyro]

My cousin just returned from Vancouver to Winnipeg in the last few months after 15+ years..—,Downtown urban dweller he was.

The video is hilarious and so true in many ways, from his experiences as a — ex-vancouver patriot.

He had had enough? His words not mine.

[bomberjet]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-an...arctic-killing-three-men--225349592.html

Coast Guard recovers Amundsen's crashed Arctic chopper
By: The Canadian Press

GATINEAU, Qc - The Canadian Coast Guard says it has recovered a helicopter that crashed and sank in the icy Arctic Ocean, killing three men.
Two ships worked together to recover the wreckage of the Messerschmitt Bo-105 chopper that went down Sept. 9 in the M'Clure Strait.
One of the ships with the chopper on board was en route to shore where Transportation Safety Board investigators are to study the wreckage to help determine why it crashed.
It's not clear if the aircraft was equipped with a black box flight information recorder or if a black box was recovered.
The commander of the icebreaker Amundsen was among those killed in the crash.
Post-mortem examinations have suggested the men likely survived the impact, but later died of hypothermia after being in the frigid water for about one hour.

Imagine floating around in the Arctic Ocean, knowing you are going to die very soon. How tragic....

[Riverman]

I wonder if they were wearing survival suits?

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by Riverman

I wonder if they were wearing survival suits?

EDIT

From the CBC

"Only one of the three men who died in the Arctic crash of a Canadian Coast Guard helicopter was wearing a full immersion suit, which was not completely zipped up, and only one victim had a life jacket on"

[drew]

^ died from hypothermia.

I recall reading it took about an hour from crash to recovery.

[Riverman]

Wow. They probably all would have survived if they were properly dressed.

I've been in one of those suits and they weren't bad to wear, and that was over 30 years ago.

[bomberjet]

So sad.

In the blink of an eye, everything changes. I hear it all the time at work. "Why must we were all this PPE? Nothing ever happens." Then bam, something happens and there's not time to react.

[drew]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Wow. They probably all would have survived if they were properly dressed.

I've been in one of those suits and they weren't bad to wear, and that was over 30 years ago.

From what I read, they were wearing survival suits.

[Riverman]

Pretty sure one can survive for several hours in a suit.

[drew]

^ only if they are "done up" properly. Perhaps they didn't have time to get everything sealed prior to the crash. I can't imagine these suits are very comfortable to wear flying in a helicopter with everything sealed off.

[Riverman]

They don't exactly seal. They are well insulated and fill with water which your body heats to keep you warm. The cuffs and neck are pulled tight to prevent the warm water from convecting out.

That's how they worked back when I was beachcombing. They may be different today.

[steveosnyder]

IcePlex got public subsidies in the form of stimulus funding and Highlander, if I recall correct -- I'm not a hockey player, was at one time publically owned but was sold to private venture(?)

If this is the case, the start-up costs were paid elsewhere and profitability was reached already either through direct funds or in intangible assets like leagues already set up, etc.

Regarding your risks in private venture and new fields/sheets being built, the same can be said for bowling lanes... If there was a demand for more lanes then a new centre would open, but that would put burden on the other (all private) lanes. If demand drops then either a lane would close (which has happened quite a bit) or the sport would do something on their own to increase participation. I don't know why soccer or hockey should operate differently.

I think the markets can dictate how much of a particular indoor sports facility type are needed without government subsidies, be it bowling, hockey, soccer, or squash. When the government starts subsidizing -- either through funding private venture or building/owning their own facilities -- they skew the market so we get too much or too little of some sports at the cost of others (and at the cost to tax payers).

[CoryB]

There a bigger issues at play in the whole private vesus public recreation facilities. Even more puzzling to me than ice rinks and soccer fields is why we continue to build publicly owned and subsized fitness centers with cardio equipment and weight rooms. This is a market segment that is dominated by private facilities yet new public ones continue to get approved.

Most recreational sports seem to operate on a break-even mentality which seems to contribute to the lack of viable private opitions.

[1ajs]

who knew this is by a winnipeger i sure didn't

• Video Link

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

who knew this is by a winnipeger i sure didn't

Good find ^ Never realized Terry Jacks was a winnipegger 1ajs, that song was huge.

The song "Seasons in the Sun", released in late 1973 on his own record label, Goldfish Records, became the largest-selling international single by a Canadian artist at that time and earned Jacks two Juno Awards.
- Wikipedia

[Authentic_City]

Originally Posted by Cyrodill

Good find ^ Never realized Terry Jacks was a winnipegger 1ajs, that song was huge.

The song "Seasons in the Sun", released in late 1973 on his own record label, Goldfish Records, became the largest-selling international single by a Canadian artist at that time and earned Jacks two Juno Awards.
- Wikipedia

That would explain why this song ended up on many K-Tel compilation records back in the day. I had no idea he was a Winnipegger. Makes sense!

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by Authentic_City

That would explain why this song ended up on many K-Tel compilation records back in the day. I had no idea he was a Winnipegger. Makes sense!

So true, now I can't get it out of my head, actually it's kinda a sad track.

[1ajs]

has a whole new meaning

all the seasons in the sun screams parie skys to me now since discovering this on cbc radio this morning