YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 257

Denscity · #**5121** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 8:35 PM**

Ya I know but with 3 records things are looking up. I do realize that 24M would be over 6 million over the record which isn't realistic yet.

LeftCoaster · #**5122** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 8:37 PM**

Not even close, good news for sure though.

rxp · #**5123** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Long time lurker, but I have a bit to contribute on this point.

YVR did a pretty comprehensive internal study on the potential for a non-stop YVR-DEL link in 2012 (not published, but not private either). The study included a broad survey of the local business community and was supported by the Provincial Govt (which would love to see a non-stop flight to India for political reasons).

The findings were that, while a huge overall market, YVR-India has pretty minimal business class traffic. YVR-DEL is the 4th busiest route between North America and India, but falls behind virtually every other major NA airport on business class demand (YYZ performed poorly on this indicator as well, actually). The numbers I saw indicated that only about 1% of the traffic between YVR-India is in business class. Considering the economics of ultra long haul (ULH) flights (Delhi would be a 14 1/2 hour flight requiring a 777 or 787), a lack of business class demand means the route is practically a non-starter.

Also, virtually all the Indian airlines are in pretty bad shape financially at the moment. The aforementioned Kingfisher Airlines has been all but wrapped up in bankruptcy and will likely never fly again in India, let alone to North America. Air Canada may make a go of it at some point in the future, but they're more likely to try from YYZ first.

I am just thinking outloud here and apologies me for this, but could an airline (Use BA as an example) market a direct flight from YVR to Del and just have London as a stopover (for those who want to get off/ on, fuel, food etc) and away you go... the best part is that it is not even a full turnaround, its a partial, so it can be quick...
it would be like back in the day (dating my self here btw) the Canadian airlines used to land in Goose Bay, to fuel up before continuing... perhaps something could be done... I understand both route use the 747...

deasine · #**5124** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 5:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by rxp

I am just thinking outloud here and apologies me for this, but could an airline (Use BA as an example) market a direct flight from YVR to Del and just have London as a stopover (for those who want to get off/ on, fuel, food etc) and away you go... the best part is that it is not even a full turnaround, its a partial, so it can be quick...
it would be like back in the day (dating my self here btw) the Canadian airlines used to land in Goose Bay, to fuel up before continuing... perhaps something could be done... I understand both route use the 747...

If you are talking about a single flight number, I do not think this is possible unless they the airline/country has the fifth freedom right.

But just to note, depending on the airline and their operations, one can effectively be boarding the same plane after their quick layover.

twoNeurons · #**5125** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hot Rod

Sorry to be a little late, but I saw recently that DL will be dropping the SEA-KIX route in Feb 2014. I suspected as much.

That makes me sad. I really would love to see the AC flight to Osaka from YVR reinstated and I fear DL dropping this route doesn't help its viability. It seems that Japan's focus is on Haneda, Haneda, Haneda to compete with its rival in Seoul.

deasine · #**5126** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 7:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

That makes me sad. I really would love to see the AC flight to Osaka from YVR reinstated and I fear DL dropping this route doesn't help its viability. It seems that Japan's focus is on Haneda, Haneda, Haneda to compete with its rival in Seoul.

The low Japanese YEN isn't exactly helping the cause. DL and UA both have an incredibly high presence and reliance on Japan and they've been trying to diversify away from this. With DL ramping up int'l Asian operations in SEA and trying to make SEA their Asian hub, it's inevitable that it will come at a cost of its other routes.

Gordon · #**5127** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 8:06 PM**

UA now flies YVR DCA same plane on its 8:04 flight to ORD

Johnny Aussie · #**5128** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 10:45 PM**

Canada and Japan have completed negotiations giving Canadian carriers "daytime access to Tokyo's Haneda Airport..."

So will this mean AC will actually launch YVR-HND? Access is granted commencing April 2014. Perfect time for a spring launch.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/releases-2013-h127e-7368.html

Thanks to AlbertanToo for posting this news item in the YYC thread.

deasine · #**5129** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 9:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Canada and Japan have completed negotiations giving Canadian carriers "daytime access to Tokyo's Haneda Airport..."

So will this mean AC will actually launch YVR-HND? Access is granted commencing April 2014. Perfect time for a spring launch.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/releases-2013-h127e-7368.html

Thanks to AlbertanToo for posting this news item in the YYC thread.

This would be wonders. NRT is unreasonably far away from Tokyo Proper and is only a good airport if you are transiting to other destinations. This would also give some competition to DL who has services to HND via SEA.

twoNeurons · #**5130** Posted **Oct 6, 2013, 7:06 AM**

It would likely be a YYZ - YVR - HND route, picking up business travellers from both cities before crossing the pond.

They did try a YVR - HND when they first got the landing slot, but cancelled it last minute. I was booked into one of the flights, but they switched us to Narita.

I don't know if they'd be ready for the spring, but... that's when Air Canada receives its first 787s. Seems this would be a good route for that plane. AC can charge more for business pax to HND and combined with the lower operating costs and smaller size of the 787... they'd probable make decent margins.

Here's hoping they have some promotional prices if they launch the route.

deasine · #**5131** Posted **Oct 6, 2013, 8:57 PM**

Well AC is supposed to have a new J configuration on the 787 that is rumored to be an upgrade over the current pods that is not in the form of the current staggered J in their HD 777s (i.e. ala Swiss staggered J configuration). It wouldn't be a bad route to debut something like this.

deasine · #**5132** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 4:56 PM**

Some add'tl news not related to the developments of YVR per say, but new business for the airport authority.

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JFK gets automated passport system to reduce delays

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At O'Hare, only U.S. citizens could initially use the kiosks, but this month the program was expanded to include Canadian citizens as well.

Machines made by SITA at Orlando International "are deployed but not yet in use," said SITA's Sean Farrell. "We're just waiting for U.S. Customs and Border Protection to certify the system, but right now that agency is on furlough."

Houston's Bush Intercontinental Airport has 20 kiosks that should be operational by the end of the year.

Dallas/Fort Worth International is planning to have 30 machines it purchased from the Vancouver Airport Authority at a cost of about $2 million up and running by early November.

Source: CNBC via NBC

Coldrsx · #**5133** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

This would be wonders. NRT is unreasonably far away from Tokyo Proper and is only a good airport if you are transiting to other destinations. This would also give some competition to DL who has services to HND via SEA.

Yes and no, far yes, but exceptionally well connected via their express. Easy peasy.

deasine · #**5134** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Yes and no, far yes, but exceptionally well connected via their express. Easy peasy.

Still at least an hour via NEX. And I'm too cheap so I take the Keisei Main, which just adds to the time. We honestly have it too easy at YVR; 26 minutes via local train is really nothing.

Coldrsx · #**5135** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 5:19 PM**

^I found it pleasant to kick back, relax and have a few Suntory.

deasine · #**5136** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 8:18 PM**

Switching back to YVR development news, the airport authority (finally) posted another episode of the A/B connector series.

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whatnext · #**5137** Posted **Oct 9, 2013, 6:55 AM**

A couple shots I took today of the new Larry Berg planespotting park at the end of runway 26L. I like the minirunway, wonder if it lights up at night?

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officedweller · #**5138** Posted **Oct 9, 2013, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

Switching back to YVR development news, the airport authority (finally) posted another episode of the A/B connector series.

I saw a construction crane up at YVR last night at the south end of the domestic terminal.

Johnny Aussie · #**5139** Posted **Oct 12, 2013, 12:16 AM**

So now effective 29 Jan 2014 the B744 upgauge previously noted for the Feb-Mar period is being extended indefinitely right through summer 2014.

Also, LH YVR-MUC is being brought forward another month to now commence on 30 March. Originally was going to be started in late April (a month earlier than last year... so now 2 months earlier).

Soooo more good news for YVR-Europe hot off the heels of the AC YVR-LHR upgauge to the larger 77W, as well and the new seasonal Icelandair flights to KEF.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/11/lh-s14update1/

On a side note... too bad no more 346s then! But more 744 action....

deasine · #**5140** Posted **Oct 12, 2013, 4:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Soooo more good news for YVR-Europe hot off the heels of the AC YVR-LHR upgauge to the larger 77W,

I don't think this is "good news" per say, aside from the addition of Premium Y. J passengers loose their pods configuration, while the masses in Y are sardined into a 3-4-3 configuration (vs. existing 3-3-3).

The only 777 that has a higher capacity than AC is AF, but they only send those to vacation destinations. The capacity on the new 777s actually fits more passengers than some QF, SQ, and KE A380s...