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Old Posted Aug 26, 2013, 4:05 PM
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I dropped by the sales centre this weekend and had a look around out of curiosity. I think kevinbottawa's photo in the previous post shows all eight floors on the tower portion - I think, according to the plans, it seems to be topped out, apart from the mechanical/terrace on the 9th.

Anyway, one thing of interest was the colour of brick. I asked if it was going to have the same colour of brick as the existing phase 1 + 2 buildings. The sales person gave a resounding "no". On the wall of the presentation centre they have a rough sample of what the brick colour will look like - it's a light beige this time - definitely less offensive.

It looks like, according to the area master plan, they plan on having two more rectangular blocks of condos/towns directly west of Fusion. The section of land north of these two lots (and west of Phase 1 + 2) is apparently owned by NCC and nothing is in the works as of yet (as far as I/they know).
Similar to the one going on Tribeca II?
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Similar to the one going on Tribeca II?
Judging by Ortelius' post in the Tribeca thread, it's very possible. I find the brick in the picture a bit brighter and/or yellow-ish than what I saw in the showroom, but that could just be the lighting in the photo...In any case it looks pretty close.

I should mention that the sample brick in the showroom was made of foam. So, the sales person did give me the disclaimer that the colour may not be exactly as shown, but it was very close.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2013, 11:52 PM
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Good news. The NCC is looking to revise the plan for Lebreton Flats to include tall buildings.

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Just Build it Already: LeBreton Flats
NCC about to re-think the plan for the LeBreton Flats

By David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen August 30, 2013 6:56 PM

Just Build it Already: An Ongoing Ottawa Citizen Series
Ottawa’s never been short on big ideas, but we always seem to fall short when it comes to making them happen. In this series, the Citizen’s City Hall bureau checks in on some of the apparently good ideas that still haven’t made it off the drawing board.

LeBreton Flats
The idea: Redevelop the long-fallow land west of Parliament Hill into the modern urban neighbourhood it might have been if it hadn’t been razed in the 1960s.
The cost: Untold
The problem: Cleaning up the land and lingering over design details has consumed so much time that urban-planning thinking has passed the existing plan by.
The status: The National Capital Commission is planning a re-think of the plan for the Flats, possibly to include much taller buildings in light of the impending light-rail system.

OTTAWA — Ten years after the National Capital Commission started selling land for development on LeBreton Flats, it’s about to re-evaluate its plan for the prime property in the shadow of Parliament Hill.

“The density of buildings is probably one thing that would be a good course” for re-evaluation, says François Lapointe, the NCC’s chief urban planner. He’s supremely careful not to prejudge the conclusion, but he rhymes off reasons why that needs another look: the city’s new plan for the escarpment area in northwest Centretown that overlooks the Flats, its plan for the Bayview area, its transit-oriented development plans for new light-rail stations east of downtown.

What do they all have in common? Zoning that allows very tall buildings by Ottawa standards, of 30 storeys and more. The NCC’s plan for LeBreton Flats calls for buildings that max out at about 12 floors.

“We don’t feel that we at the NCC right now, that we are the older … that we necessarily know what’s best,” Lapointe says. “We feel we need to engage with the community, with the city, with the developers to have a plan to make it an area that’s really world class.”

There’s a “window of opportunity,” he says, with the last work underway on removing contaminated soil from LeBreton Flats’s industrial past and the city’s contractor finally starting work on the new light-rail line with excavations at the Flats’ southeast corner. A review of the plan could take about two years, with more land ready to be put up for bids a year or so after that.

Land zoned for tall buildings is, of course, much more valuable than land zoned for shorter ones. The commission, perennially strapped for cash, has cut jobs this year as it deals with federal budget reductions and then suffered a humiliation later in the spring when the government decided to transfer its cultural branch to the Department of Canadian Heritage.

When that decision was made in March, the minister in charge of the agency, Ottawa West-Nepean MP John Baird, said publicly he wasn’t thrilled with what the NCC had done at LeBreton Flats to that point.

“We’ve got to dream a little bigger than just having a bunch of condos in the last big part of undeveloped land in downtown Ottawa,” Baird said at the time.

Lapointe says he and the commission have taken that criticism to heart and want to do better.

The NCC took control of LeBreton Flats in 1964, mostly be expropriating the homes and businesses there with the intention of replacing a working-class neighbourhood with a glittering government office complex. Then, for 40 years, not much happened, with changing government priorities ruling out construction of the offices and jurisdictional battles between the NCC and the City of Ottawa ruling out anything else. Finally, in 1999, the commission and the city reached a deal and the city handed over its land, mostly useless roads comprising almost a quarter of the Flats, to the NCC for a wholesale redesign.

The commission has since sunk almost $100 million into the Flats, divided almost evenly between new infrastructure such as water pipes and getting rid of old pollution in the ground.

By 2004, the Flats were getting exciting. The triumphant Canadian War Museum was nearing completion on the northern part of the Flats, dedicated to national-level uses, and by the end of the year Claridge Homes had made a deal with the NCC to buy a chunk of property in the south, under strict conditions, to start returning residents to the land.

The conditions were extremely strict, with detailed design guidelines and other requirements so onerous that, in the end, Claridge was the only bidder left standing from an original list of six.

Lapointe recognizes that’s not ideal. Claridge bought a section of land at the east edge of the Flats that’s supposed to hold 800 condos and townhouses, which made it too big and expensive for all but the biggest development companies to even contemplate.

And even so, the first phase, Claridge’s phase, has moved a little more slowly than the company expected, concedes vice-president Neil Malhotra. But he points out that the last few years included the worst recession since the Great Depression (“there was a six-month period where the world was just a total zero”) and several revisions of the light-rail line that’s finally under construction just south of Claridge’s property on the Flats.

“There have been a lot of changes in the world of Ottawa,” Malhotra says. “The train’s a reality now and we’re trying to understand what that’s going to mean down there.” Things like who’ll ride the train? Where will they be going? Will that affect who’s interested in living close to the new LeBreton station, and what sorts of homes you can sell them?

The LRT also comes with mundane but important considerations such as whether it’ll run over or under Booth Street, which affects what Claridge builds right next to the road. Ground-level townhouses won’t make sense if they’re facing an overpass. Those questions are nearing answers, though. “When they’re finished the Booth Street bridge, I think we’ll be at the stage where we’re ready to build,” Malhotra says.

A second block of Claridge land is finally under construction, with about 120 new units to join the 350 or so in the pair of condo buildings Claridge has already built and sold. Malhotra is well aware of the criticism the existing buildings get: they’re blocky, a bland brown colour, ordinary, not what we expected after waiting 40 years for the right redevelopment project.

“They’re actually not designed for the guy driving by in the car,” Malhotra responds. They’re designed to be attractive close up, with a courtyard you can’t see if you’re whizzing past on the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway. More importantly, they’re out of context, due to be surrounded by other buildings in a pedestrian neighbourhood that hasn’t been built yet.

“Ottawa’s not like Toronto, where a community like that could just pop up,” he says. Though the market has slowed there, Torontonians have bought 25,000 condos a year for several years; Ottawa’s builders sell 5,000 homes a year of all kinds and it’s only recently that young families have started to think of condo life as an acceptable way to start out. When Claridge sold its first LeBreton Flats condos for $400,000 to $500,000, they cost as much as a house with a lawn in Westboro; now that real estate like that is a lot more expensive, condominiums are a lot more competitive.

LeBreton Flats is also getting knitted more thoroughly into the city, with a plan settled for the escarpment district of northwest Centretown to the east, another one coming together for Bayview and Mechanicsville to the west, and now a possible proposal for Chaudière Island to the north. That will make the area a lot more attractive to potential buyers, particularly once years of work to remove contaminated soil has ended and the LRT has been built.

“There’s no real backdrop to the pedestrian environment,” Malhotra says. “I mean, it looks like the moon.”

Unsurprisingly for a builder whose company has led the charge for taller buildings in Ottawa, Malhotra is plenty interested in updating the plan for the district. The existing plan took into account things such as the capacity of the sewers to handle new residents’ washing and flushing, but 10 years later, more efficient appliances are using less water.

“I mean, 10 years ago dual-flush toilets were high-tech,” Malhotra says. “Now they’re pretty much standard. … The speed of technological change is just amazing and it makes a real difference in what you can do.”

That’s the sort of thing that needs considering before the NCC sells more land, whether it’s to Claridge or someone else. “Our aim is really to make this a world-class successful place,” Lapointe says.

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Old Posted Aug 31, 2013, 12:44 AM
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This is encouraging news. Goes to show how long a decade is in terms of urban planning, too.

Here's an idea - seeing as the NCC is "perennially strapped for cash" (um...), why don't they upzone a parcel of land, make a tidy profit on it, then use some of it to fund the fancy and expensive 'hidey-touches' they want the city to build onto its western LRT project.

There. Everyone happy. City coffers not quite as drained, LRT project moving forward.
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Glad to hear it, but its too bad they didn't do that at the escarpment which would have created a continuity form the CBD/West Downtown skyline.

This is a bit off topic, but here was my idea for the western LRT; the NCC sells the strip of land needed for the Confederation Line to the City along with Rochester field. This would fill the NCCs coffers while saving the City millions. The City could then sell the air rights for 3 storey buildings (1 or 2 floors of retail, 1 or 2 floor residential) creating an indoor pathway between Dominion and a redeveloped Rochester Field. Half of RF would be a new building (15 floors or so) and the other half could be a cool plaza which could be used for Westfest and satellite performances for other festivals. Outside festival season, it could be used partly as a restaurant terrace, have some benches, maybe chess tables or BBQs and have a cool art piece of water feature as a centrepiece.
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This is encouraging news. Goes to show how long a decade is in terms of urban planning, too.

Here's an idea - seeing as the NCC is "perennially strapped for cash" (um...), why don't they upzone a parcel of land, make a tidy profit on it, then use some of it to fund the fancy and expensive 'hidey-touches' they want the city to build onto its western LRT project.

There. Everyone happy. City coffers not quite as drained, LRT project moving forward.
If the NCC were a practical organization, I would agree with you and KevinbOttawa that this is excellent news. When I read this story, however, my initial reaction was that we were setting ourselves up for more years of inaction, and that completion of Lebreton would be delayed even further, until another delay caused this project to remain unfinished. (Though maybe by 2698 the NCC will finally have all their ducks in a row to sort out the Lebreton mess).

How many times has the NCC come up with a "great" idea, then shelved it to rethink it, then done nothing for years, until it develops another "great" idea, which is then delayed once again.

Your proposal for the NCC to make a profit, and then use the money for the LRT western extension, is exactly the type of thinking that we need. Unfortunately, I am doubtful that the NCC is going to do the logical thing. My gut feeling is that this rethink is just going to be another chapter in decades worth of inaction, delays, poor planning and general incompetence.
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They might use that money to study new ways in screwing over the City of Ottawa.
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Rainy day shot.

The (edit: just in case a reader has bought there!) buying on the west side of this phase may not realize their view will be compromised by the next block of flats to come along. And so on, and so on...

{It's not raining down there but it was raining on me}



lebreton flats uncorrected 9054 by southfacing, on Flickr

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Awesome. I'll post this on the Confederation Line thread. Thanks!
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They're about one floor up on the second building.
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Ah beige, Ottawa's favorite colour.
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The 8 floor building is topped out.. the 6 floor building is about halfway now.
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It's good to see the space fill in, but I still suspect it will stay fairly isolated from the surrounding neighbourhoods for a long time.
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I went by today to take pictures of Cathedral Hill and decided to take some of the progress of Fusion. It looks like they're topped out now. I'm hoping they'll have it clad by the end of summer.

It could be just me or the fact that it's winter, a construction site and LRT digging is underway, but the entire area is a big mess. I was looking down towards the pumping station and right underneath the cliff, and it seems like everything is so far apart - just too many gaps and empty space. I'd like to see them build something along the road just under the cliff to make that area more pleasant.


Fusion 3 by Shel DeF on Flickr


Fusion 1,2,3 by Shel DeF on Flickr


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Fusion and Cathedral Hill by Shel DeF on Flickr


Fusion on Lebreton by Shel DeF on Flickr


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They were doing construction around the pumping house all fall, too; so it is a royal mess right now. But the area around Pooley's Bridge and the tail race is lovely in spring, summer, and fall: the mature trees form an almost perfect arcade over the path, the apple blossoms in the Garden of the Provinces and Territories, the flower beds, etc. then the NCC closes off the Garden of the Ps&Ts for five months, so when it's less pretty in Winter, the area is no longer a useful connection anyway. Long story short, it doesn't need building, it's -- eventually -- going to be a very well-used and beloved park, once more of the Lebreton and Escarpment districts are built up.
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I am actually starting to like this development as a whole, a little bit more. It's like a miniature version of the condo projects that have gone up in Missisauga, and once complete, will be almost like a little village of it's own by the looks of it...

I also really like the cathedral hill development in the background of these little towers too, really adds a lot of density to the area.
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