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Old Posted Sep 17, 2013, 2:02 PM
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Concert Proposal

I like the plans a lot. I saw this referred to as "former Translink lands". Does anybody know when Concert purchased the land and for what price?
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2013, 2:05 PM
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The area would have a huge demand for retail in the next few years when all the condos are completed in the vicinity. The only reason why the retail sector was so slow to take root initially in the Olympic village area was because of a lack of residents moving in due to insane condo prices in the city-built development. However, my understanding of the latter phase condos built by other developers is that they are selling relatively well, meaning there would definitely be way more people moving there in the near future.

The area is served by an inter city train and bus terminal, and a sky train station nearby, and coupled with the tram system and new UBC sky train line planned for the future, would create an excellent node for a retail/commercial centre for that neighbourhood. In fact, a multi-storied mall, hotels or even office towers should be in the works as well, before too many residents move in and nimbyism takes root. But then again I am ahead of myself here.

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Have you ever seen the Crown Casino in Melbourne or The Sands Casino in Singapore? Both are located in the CBD area, with mostly decent folks and tourists as patrons. Both have really tight onsite security and are adjoined by mid to high end retail malls, international food courts, centres and markets. Above the casino and mall podiums are international class hotels, etc. They are truly world class facilities, unlike the doom and gloom that people in the Lower Mainland like to envision (too many drug-related gang banger types here perhaps?).

As for street retail, I think we have enough of that spread all over the place. It does not make sense for a rainy city to just have street retail. There should be a combo of street and multi-storied type indoor retail with decent mall architecture and open plazas, not just another boxy and bland type found everywhere in the Lower mainland. For inspiration, look no further than the recently upgraded downtown Calgary mall the Core: truly world class!

Vancouver has to think bigger.

Ding ding ding! I like your thinking, Vancouver still has this weird thing with residential-only taking root everywhere. And I definitely agree that our waterfront spaces are most certainly being underutilized with uncreative developments, residential-only, large swaths of green lawn parks, a seawall that's purely an obligation to exercise and nothing more.... sadly, the Olympic Village area perpetuates this even more, developers are much more notorious here and want quick profits.

False Creek is essentially a private community with all the condos it has rather than being built with commercial activity and major attractions, which I see as a public good as it actually brings people there, and creates things that people enjoy beyond parks and a seawall.

False Creek could have been just like Singapore's Marina Bay or Melbourne's Yarra River - an active cultural and commercial hub. But I suppose most Vancouverites don't really know any better to expect more, nor can they want it if they can't imagine it. Our egoistic and less-than-sophisticated city planners aren't able to think outside of the box either.

I've long complained that we need more/larger shopping malls here. I took a look at what The Core in Calgary looks like and architecturally it looks stunning with its airy design, quite a contrast to the Pacific Centre tight basement bunker - it is sad that this is the one and only "major" mall in Downtown Vancouver, and the only other remotely respectable "mall" in Vancouver is all the way at Oakridge.

Sure, you might have 3 or 4 months of good weather in a year but is that really the basis we're designing this city around? Because if it is it makes zero sense. Robson and Granville retail streets grow relatively quiet whenever it rains or gets cold while malls like Pacific Centre are packed with people looking for a dry and warm shopping experience. Downtown still specializes in shops you can't find elsewhere in the region, but it has lost so much of the market share of being "the place" for everything you need by allowing the suburbs to leap frog with their huge malls.

That said, not sure if the Olympic Village area would be a good place for a mall. I think it would have to be tied in with a huge attraction like a massive casino/hotel/entertainment destination plus offices just like the Crown Melbourne (or a smaller version of Marine Bay Sands - wow!). But Vancouver normally doesn't do economies of scale - nothing here does, not even transportation infrastructure. But we all know what happened with the original BC Place casino, which was hardly a "big" proposal in a global sense... it's still a provincial town that doesn't like to learn/look at what other cities around the world have done.

At the very least, they could've had some street front retailing for this newest Southeast False Creek proposal. It might not do well today and might sit empty for a few years or with less-than-ideal shops and restaurants, but we're talking about the future here which nobody seems to think about. The proposed development also looks too cookie-cutter and height (if the actual city-funded Olympic Village had condo towers, sales probably would have done better).

I'd still argue that there's far too much green space in the False Creek area... well, not necessarily "too much" but too much of the same green lawn type. Can we not be more creative than that?
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2013, 4:21 PM
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A simple search of this thread would give you the answer, Concert paid $47M for the land back around Sept/2011.

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I truly believe there is no interest by land owners/developers aside from a very select few to actually have retail in new developments. They are either too greedy for what they are offering or they are simply not putting it in.

The retail for SEFC and specifically the olympic village is still a big unknown. The area itself is starting to see some traction and one could expect the terra breads, liquor store and restaurants are doing well but I have my doubts about anything else being overly successful.

The big question mark is will it just end up being like coal harbour or will this area become a bustling area full of life. I hope for the latter but expect the former the way things seem to be going. Coal Harbour has a few successful restaurants banking on their waterfront appeal (much like Tap and Barrel in OV) with ridiculously overpriced subpar food and overpriced drinks. Retail asking prices are sitting at the same as Gastown and Kits for the SEFC area on the north side of second with landlords looking for 50 bucks plus with one land owner dreaming at getting 70 a foot in the space south of best buy on 6th ave. If the landlords actually had a longterm vision they would lower rents, get a few good tenants in and then grow from there, but it just seems as though people are banking on the SEFC appeal over actually trying to cultivate a neighborhood with unique shops and services.

If the city did go ahead with the street car and the developers actually inserted more retail I have a strong belief that the SEFT/OV area could be a hotbed for unique shops and services but does anyone see anything like that happening any time soon?

It would be interesting to know how many people actually reside in the area, not just own the units and leave them unoccupied most or all of the year.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2013, 5:35 PM
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I truly believe there is no interest by land owners/developers aside from a very select few to actually have retail in new developments. They are either too greedy for what they are offering or they are simply not putting it in.

The retail for SEFC and specifically the olympic village is still a big unknown. The area itself is starting to see some traction and one could expect the terra breads, liquor store and restaurants are doing well but I have my doubts about anything else being overly successful.

The big question mark is will it just end up being like coal harbour or will this area become a bustling area full of life. I hope for the latter but expect the former the way things seem to be going. Coal Harbour has a few successful restaurants banking on their waterfront appeal (much like Tap and Barrel in OV) with ridiculously overpriced subpar food and overpriced drinks. Retail asking prices are sitting at the same as Gastown and Kits for the SEFC area on the north side of second with landlords looking for 50 bucks plus with one land owner dreaming at getting 70 a foot in the space south of best buy on 6th ave. If the landlords actually had a longterm vision they would lower rents, get a few good tenants in and then grow from there, but it just seems as though people are banking on the SEFC appeal over actually trying to cultivate a neighborhood with unique shops and services.

If the city did go ahead with the street car and the developers actually inserted more retail I have a strong belief that the SEFT/OV area could be a hotbed for unique shops and services but does anyone see anything like that happening any time soon?

It would be interesting to know how many people actually reside in the area, not just own the units and leave them unoccupied most or all of the year.
As a resident of SEFC I'm supportive of more shopping, dining, and service options in my neighbourhood. However, I know that the area is sandwiched between 3 significant retail/restaurant nodes: Main Street/Mt. Pleasant, the Cambie/Broadway retail corridor (including major grocery and big box stores), and downtown Vancouver. I regularly walk to all 3 areas and I also patronize establishments in each.

Given the abundance of offerings nearby, it seems realistic to expect more retail/restaurants/services in SEFC as more residents move in but I don't think it will reach the same levels seen in other areas. I believe that the city's official plan projects a population of about 12,000 individuals once the area is built out. That's a substantial number, but nowhere near the population of Mt. Pleasant or downtown (though it likely exceeds the population of False Creek between Granville and Cambie and north of 6th Avenue).

I doubt that the area will become "another Coal Harbour" with high levels of vacancy due to absentee ownership. For one thing, the target market of certain Coal Harbour developments (such as the Harbour Green buildings) is completely different than, say, Opsal or Central. Coal Harbour has unobstructed mountain views and offers buyers the chance to live part-time in a "fly-in community" via the float plane terminal whereas SEFC typically appeals to full-time, working residents of the city (as least based on the observations of my building's residents).

It will be interesting to see the retail mix along the 2nd Avenue stretch of SEFC. Businesses that locate there have the advantage of appealing to the working-day crowd from the Mount Pleasant industrial area (south of 2nd Avenue) during the day and local residents on evenings and weekends. Two hair salons and Blenz are now open in the Pinnacle Living building @ 2nd/Ontario, and a UPS store is planned. The Residences at West will also add retail to 2nd Avenue.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2013, 7:04 PM
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I think a big piece of the retail equation for SEFC is the pace of development on Main Street, which will feature retail at grade on the west side of the street and, hopefully, retail at grade on the east as well.

I think that the SEFC retail should wrap around the block fronting Main, Terminal, and Quebec, and I did convey my opinion to City staff during the review of the eastern part of the SEFC precinct. 'Not sure if it made it into the final plan.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2013, 10:05 PM
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Ding ding ding! I like your thinking, Vancouver still has this weird thing with residential-only taking root everywhere. And I definitely agree that our waterfront spaces are most certainly being underutilized with uncreative developments, residential-only, large swaths of green lawn parks, a seawall that's purely an obligation to exercise and nothing more.... sadly, the Olympic Village area perpetuates this even more, developers are much more notorious here and want quick profits.

False Creek is essentially a private community with all the condos it has rather than being built with commercial activity and major attractions, which I see as a public good as it actually brings people there, and creates things that people enjoy beyond parks and a seawall.

False Creek could have been just like Singapore's Marina Bay or Melbourne's Yarra River - an active cultural and commercial hub. But I suppose most Vancouverites don't really know any better to expect more, nor can they want it if they can't imagine it. Our egoistic and less-than-sophisticated city planners aren't able to think outside of the box either.

I've long complained that we need more/larger shopping malls here. I took a look at what The Core in Calgary looks like and architecturally it looks stunning with its airy design, quite a contrast to the Pacific Centre tight basement bunker - it is sad that this is the one and only "major" mall in Downtown Vancouver, and the only other remotely respectable "mall" in Vancouver is all the way at Oakridge.

Sure, you might have 3 or 4 months of good weather in a year but is that really the basis we're designing this city around? Because if it is it makes zero sense. Robson and Granville retail streets grow relatively quiet whenever it rains or gets cold while malls like Pacific Centre are packed with people looking for a dry and warm shopping experience. Downtown still specializes in shops you can't find elsewhere in the region, but it has lost so much of the market share of being "the place" for everything you need by allowing the suburbs to leap frog with their huge malls.

That said, not sure if the Olympic Village area would be a good place for a mall. I think it would have to be tied in with a huge attraction like a massive casino/hotel/entertainment destination plus offices just like the Crown Melbourne (or a smaller version of Marine Bay Sands - wow!). But Vancouver normally doesn't do economies of scale - nothing here does, not even transportation infrastructure. But we all know what happened with the original BC Place casino, which was hardly a "big" proposal in a global sense... it's still a provincial town that doesn't like to learn/look at what other cities around the world have done.

At the very least, they could've had some street front retailing for this newest Southeast False Creek proposal. It might not do well today and might sit empty for a few years or with less-than-ideal shops and restaurants, but we're talking about the future here which nobody seems to think about. The proposed development also looks too cookie-cutter and height (if the actual city-funded Olympic Village had condo towers, sales probably would have done better).

I'd still argue that there's far too much green space in the False Creek area... well, not necessarily "too much" but too much of the same green lawn type. Can we not be more creative than that?
Finally! Someone with the same wavelength.
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Although I live in Surrey, I do all my long runs (13-15 miles) along the Seawall. I love the Seawall. And I think Olympic Village provides a valuable and unique niche to the fabric. I think its plaza is more useful and inviting a space than, say, the Jack Poole Plaza. The Dragonboaters provide a different visual of water usage than what you see over at Coal Harbour (seaplanes), Yaletown (yachts), Kits and English Bay.

Its art (the birds!), seating arrangements, and landscaping are a bit more quirky than what you see over at Yaletown. I also don't think it's dominated by green space--the wooden planks, the Canoe Bridge, the Tidal Amphitheatre, and Habitat Island are interesting and distinctive outdoor features. Olympic Village seems to be a very popular bike stop. How many tourists on bikes stop here and then get their picture taken on one of those white lounge chairs?

I don't know how important it is to populate Olympic Village with more retail. I think the City is more focused on trying to better populate that stretch of Main Street between Prior and 6th Ave. I do think a Frozen Yogurt place would do really well there. I'm surprised there isn't yet a sushi place.

Olympic Village has its areas of improvement. A bit unfortunate that it's close to three real dead spots along the Seawall. And its community centre is quite uninspiring. Is it well used? It seems to pale in comparison to the new community centres in Mount Pleasant and Hillcrest. Could they install a library in that building?

I use the Cambie bridge as part of my runs quite often, so the distance between the bridge (and the Olympic Village Station) and the core of the OV is not as bad as I originally perceived. I still maintain that walking from OV to Main Station is still annoying.

As for night life, I have no clue. I live right next to a night club and a popular pub, and I *never* frequent either. I just don't care.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 3:43 AM
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Construction area today.

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Thanks for the photo, Klazu.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what is being built in the industrial area of the Flats, beyond the Lido construction site? There is a red Potain crane on site and it looks like an excavated pit with shoring. The exposed steel structure of an industrial building appears to be adjacent to the pit.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 5:47 PM
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The angle is throwing me off, could it be the new united we can building?
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know what is being built in the industrial area of the Flats, beyond the Lido construction site? There is a red Potain crane on site and it looks like an excavated pit with shoring. The exposed steel structure of an industrial building appears to be adjacent to the pit.
I think that might be the new brewery site for Red Truck. There's a rendering on their website: http://www.redtruckbeer.com/redtruckbeer/home.asp
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Yeah, Red Truck is going to 315 East 1st Avenue
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Concert Properties Reveals its False Creek Plans

This an be found on vancitybuzz.com.

FIVE CONDO BUILDING COMPLEX PROPOSED FOR SOUTHEAST FALSE CREEK
BY KENNETH CHAN Sept 23, 2013

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/09/concert-properties-reveals-5/

Enjoy!
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This an be found on vancitybuzz.com.

FIVE CONDO BUILDING COMPLEX PROPOSED FOR SOUTHEAST FALSE CREEK
BY KENNETH CHAN Sept 23, 2013

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/09/concert-properties-reveals-5/

Enjoy!
Already covered last week on this thread. Please lets not use that clown site as a source of information.
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2013, 5:36 PM
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Great construction pic, Klazu!
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Open House

Concert is holding an open house for Southeast False Creek development on October 17th from 530-830pm at Science World.

Here's a link to the rezoning application in the e-mail I received

http://former.vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/rezoning/applications/1551quebec/index.htm
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Already covered last week on this thread. Please lets not use that clown site as a source of information.
It's a pretty concise piece that loads quicker than the city pdfs...

Welcome to the forum Rezinion.
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