Right, the developers are just itching to deliver stunning buildings like this one...
Do you honestly believe Vancouver would be better if developers could build whatever they wanted with out limit? Do you understand why planners politicians and urbanists come from all over the world to study Vancouver?
Yes! Vancouver would be better if developers could build whatever they want without limit! Do you not know other cities have such architecturally stunning super tall skyscrapers, in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, the US and other parts of Canada?
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Originally Posted by PaperTiger
Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.
RIP project designs that have been f*cked up by the City of Vancouver's short sightedness!
*l* Amazing how naive some members can be, the history is there to rea, I can't beleive how anyone can interpret it so differently then how it occured.
The fact is that Wall Centre tower was a 2-toned shade architecture anomaly, in a bad way, and it was a result of the City's decision.
It is a wonder that the City doesn't think a completely dark tower is obscene anymore. I wonder why?
Right, the developers are just itching to deliver stunning buildings like this one...
or this one:
Do you honestly believe Vancouver would be better if developers could build whatever they wanted with out limit? Do you understand why planners politicians and urbanists come from all over the world to study Vancouver?
It really depends on what kind if limits. But I'm saying that the limits here are getting too far, and for who's sake? Nobody would say Vancouver's architecture is dull for no reason. Have you ever come across the world of architecture buzzing about a certain project in Vancouver?
Urbanists come to study how successful we are in bringing people back into the city centre, but they are by no means here to be awed by our architecture and structures. Self congratulatory assumptions are why out Planning department has grown so arrogant.
BTW, those renderings you showed us are already 'dumbed down' designs (designs adhering to CoV criteria).
If the shade of the glass was agreed on with the city and Wall then decided that he can do what he wants and changed it without approval then there is no way you can blame the city. The city simply cant back off and let him finish as that sets a horrible precedent. The only thing you can blame the city for is not ordering him to take all the glass down and start at the proper shade. Maintaining order and not allowing to be walked all over is way more important for the city then the end result of one single project. my two cents
Too bad most people living in the city wouldn't care (if it's foam green, dark black or duo-tone) and it's most likely more about egos than setting precedence.
If the shade of the glass was agreed on with the city and Wall then decided that he can do what he wants and changed it without approval then there is no way you can blame the city. The city simply cant back off and let him finish as that sets a horrible precedent. The only thing you can blame the city for is not ordering him to take all the glass down and start at the proper shade. Maintaining order and not allowing to be walked all over is way more important for the city then the end result of one single project. my two cents
Personally, I don't see what's the big deal of having a darker shade of glass. The City could be more flexible in this regard, instead of feeling 'walked over'. So now that the whole building is darker, are they finally 'walked over'?
Hmm, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact the Walls are big donors to Vision Vancouver.
Lots of developers are big donors to Vision Vancouver, and rightfully so, since Vision does allow architectural visionaries to actually build nice skyscrapers here, unlike the pig headed NPA, which was responsible for this One Wall Centre fiasco amongst other things. Sadly, we can only elect the mayors and council, and not the city planning staff which seem to lean more on the NPA philosophy, as seen recently with the Exchange fiasco.
But at least if a developer somehow gets pass through the archaic, pig headed, NPA inclined city staff, we do get nice and sometimes, tall buildings. And thankfully, a lot are office buildings. With the NPA in charge, those offices would have gone to the suburbs, since they'd rather have bedrooms than boardrooms in the downtown core...
And here is something to wake discussion. Photos from the past 1.5 months.
26th of September
Work on the notch part has just started with the stage being broken into two separate pieces.
3rd of October
A week later I had the chance to take some more photos on a cloudy day.
I also had the chance to visit the roof for the second time to see the stage back up. Please try to see through the poor stitching Photoshop did here.
24th of October
These photos are from past weekend. Stage disassembly is progressing fast and most of the stage is already gone. It's not long until the building is back to normal and we can really see the end result.
The very last pieces of the notch area seems not to be glass(?) but they replaced also the pieces there. The color doesn't match perfectly either the new or the old glass, but fortunately it is so small piece that you really don't notice it.
I don't want to wake the same discussion we already had, but finally I have to include a photo of what could have been. The current outcome is definitely better than what it used to be (as reflected here), but the dark glass is just so cool. Shame.
In the notch, the upper condo floors glass looks lighter than the hotel glass - is that just an illusion?
i.e. the condo floors seem to have a light strip of drywall or curtain track visible while it is not as visible on the hotel floors.
In the notch, the upper condo floors glass looks lighter than the hotel glass - is that just an illusion?
i.e. the condo floors seem to have a light strip of drywall or curtain track visible while it is not as visible on the hotel floors.
If I understand you correctly, you are wondering why the curtains are so visible in the upper part of the notch? I think that's just an illusion from the fact that there the windows are in normal vertical angle vs. in the notch part they are angled (i.e. they reflect different amounts of light and things to the ground).
I am also not sure if the hotel floors have any curtain for that tiny piece of window, but on the condo floors there is.
It's also interesting how the separation line between the new and old glass is so distinguishable from some angle, but not from others. Looking up from the ground next to the building you don't see where the glass changes, but from a greater distance you do. I also saw some photos taken from top of the neighbouring tower and being on the same level with the separation line it wasn't visible. Strange.
The visible scaffolding is now all gone and the beautiful architecture is again free from all the temporary installments. I try to take some photos of the final product later this week, especially if the weather shapes up a bit.
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