The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[Whaler]

I will never give up my source. If I did , I wouldn't have them for long.
Cabela's will build a store on Mapleton. You will see some of my other post have come true.
You can bet on this one!

[kwajo]

Originally Posted by flwright

$35M? Is it made of solid gold? I'd be surprised if was even $3.5M.

I agree, why would the store cost $35 million? That's the budget Irving had for their Long Wharf HQ.

[Whaler]

Originally Posted by kwajo

I agree, why would the store cost $35 million? That's the budget Irving had for their Long Wharf HQ.

Maybe you should visit a Cabela's someplace else??
You will see why!

[nwalbert]

Originally Posted by Whaler

Maybe you should visit a Cabela's someplace else??
You will see why!

My guess is this number is misinterpreted. A $35M store in this case most likely relates to annual revenue.

As others have stated, there is no reason for this building to cost even 10% of that cost. Not to mention the business case to payoff a building like that with retail sales would be tough to justify.

Right now the closest Canadian Cabella's is in the GTA. There is also one in Portland, ME. Both much larger markets than either SJ or Moncton.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by nwalbert

My guess is this number is misinterpreted. A $35M store in this case most likely relates to annual revenue.

That's my guess.

[MonctonRad]

I agree, this sounds like a reasonable analysis. It doesn't take away from the fact that Cabela's are large stores with quality construction though.

[homebody]

Originally Posted by Whaler

I will never give up my source. If I did , I wouldn't have them for long.
Cabela's will build a store on Mapleton. You will see some of my other post have come true.
You can bet on this one!

Can't see it happening. Moncton is too small a market. All the cities they have locations in are very large centres

[thefishingnut]

Originally Posted by homebody

Can't see it happening. Moncton is too small a market. All the cities they have locations in are very large centres

They build regional destination stores. They're currently building a store in Augusta Maine (pop less than 20,000), and the Ontario one is in Barrie, not Toronto. People go to these stores and spend a good part of the day, folks will gladly make the trip from Halifax for example.

[NBNYer]

Originally Posted by homebody

Can't see it happening. Moncton is too small a market. All the cities they have locations in are very large centres

Cabela's is a ''destination store'' without a doubt. If Saskatchewan can support 2 locations, than the Maritimes can support at least one, especially considering the large rural population and hunting culture. Also, Saskatoon and Regina, although nice places, are definitely not what I'd call ''very large'' centres.

[nwalbert]

Originally Posted by thefishingnut

They build regional destination stores. They're currently building a store in Augusta Maine (pop less than 20,000), and the Ontario one is in Barrie, not Toronto. People go to these stores and spend a good part of the day, folks will gladly make the trip from Halifax for example.

I am surprised to hear one is being built in Augusta with one in Portland less than an hour away. Maybe they are building smaller stores to support this growth plan?

I am not sure you will see folks driving to NB from Halifax to visit a Cabella's, but I could see people driving by willing to stop in.

[Ire Narissis]

Originally Posted by nwalbert

I am not sure you will see folks driving to NB from Halifax to visit a Cabella's, but I could see people driving by willing to stop in.

I can see it; Moncton isn't called the 'Hub City' for nothing.

[homebody]

Originally Posted by Ire Narissis

I can see it; Moncton isn't called the 'Hub City' for nothing.

That term was born back in the railroad days when it was a hub for rail. What exactly is it tge hub for now? Technically it isn't the centre of the maritimes. I think it should go in Sussex. Even more central. More hunters there too.

[MonctonRad]

You can argue that Sussex is the hub of southern NB. Similarly, Truro is the hub of NS; they even advertise themselves as such. If you are looking for the hub of the entire Maritime region however, Moncton fills the bill better than any other community.

Since this is the Saint John forum, I will go to pains to stress that this is not meant to belittle or diminish the importance of the Loyalist city. Saint John has tremendous strengths in terms of it's port, it's heritage, it's downtown built form and it's industrial economy. Moncton however has strengths as well, and location, location, location is one of them. This is why regional distribution and transportation companies and regional retail locate here. NB will do best if each of it's major communities plays to it's own particular and unique strengths.......

[NBNYer]

Originally Posted by homebody

Moncton is too small a market.

Originally Posted by homebody

I think it should go in Sussex.

[Monctoncore]

So, yeah, ummm.. How about them Seadogs..

[swish]

Moncton is in a strategic location for the Maritimes as a whole that is true but then so is Amherst for that matter but still Moncton does have it over Amherst.

[Southpaw78]

Can we please ring this back to a discussion about Saint John in the Saint John thread??

Sorry guys, always appreciate a good debate, but when I come to the Saint John thread, I want to know stuff going on in Saint John and not KV, Moncton, or somewhere else.

[johnns]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

You can argue that Sussex is the hub of southern NB. Similarly, Truro is the hub of NS; they even advertise themselves as such. If you are looking for the hub of the entire Maritime region however, Moncton fills the bill better than any other community.

Since this is the Saint John forum, I will go to pains to stress that this is not meant to belittle or diminish the importance of the Loyalist city. Saint John has tremendous strengths in terms of it's port, it's heritage, it's downtown built form and it's industrial economy. Moncton however has strengths as well, and location, location, location is one of them. This is why regional distribution and transportation companies and regional retail locate here. NB will do best if each of it's major communities plays to it's own particular and unique strengths.......

I'm sorry, but I have to remind everyone that Halifax is THE hub of the Maritimes. Moncton is a retail hub mainly for Northern NB and other surrounding rural areas.

People from Saint John seldom go to Moncton for shopping just as people from Moncton seldom shop in Saint John.

And the strategy of each city being designated a 'role'? I don't see that working well for Moncton, because so far all it has done is made the city sterile— a sprawling commercial town.

Having three cities in a province like NB is an awful thing. If the seat of government hadn't been removed from Saint John, this province would be a much better place and far more urban— comparable to NS and Halifax.

[MonctonRad]

I could respond to this in detail but I won't, the Saint John thread has been hijacked badly as it is and I won't worsen the situation.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but there is no sense dealing with "what ifs" from 250 years ago. The situation is what it is and NB has to deal with it's current reality. We have three roughly comparable cities. We just have to figure out how to make things work to the provinces benefit..........

[thefishingnut]

I don't understand the need to engage in this City to City bickering. Wish you folks would stop. Or do it in private messages so we don't have to wade through it.