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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 6:37 PM
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Montreal Metro's blue line to get major extension
Extension likely to cost $250-300 million per kilometer

Montreal’s Metro system is about to get its biggest and most expensive upgrade since the Laval extension.

The STM and the provincial government announced today the extension of the blue line east, to St-Leonard and Anjou.

Five more stops are expected to be added to the Metro line, likely near boulevards Viau, Pie-IX, Lacordaire and Langelier, with a terminal in Anjou.

It isn’t the first time an extension of the blue line has been discussed.

The project has been studied for years, along with other possible Metro line extension scenarios.

In 2009, then-Quebec premier Jean Charest announced a similar plan to extend the blue line six kilometres east from St-Michel, currently the line’s easternmost terminal.

The five-kilometre extension of the orange line to Laval was announced in 1998 and completed in 2007 at a cost of $745-million — about $150 million per kilometre.

At the announcement today, ministers Jean-Francois Lisée and Sylvain Gaudreault said this extension would cost between $250-300 million per kilometre.

How long will it take?

The first step the Quebec government will take is to set up a $38.8-million project planning office. It has a two-year mandate.

Quebec Transport Minister Gaudreault said the goal was to have a fully functional blue line by the early part of the 2020s.

Shortly after that, he said, work would begin on an extension of the yellow line, which currently ends at Longueuil on the South Shore.

Education Minister Marie Malavoy, who is also the minister responsible for the Montérégie region, said she was very pleased with the announcement of the yellow line extension.

"For the South Shore, it's excellent news," she said.

"It's a region that is full of development," Malavoy continued.

Metro extension important for economic development

Paul Micheletti, the owner of a business on Jean-Talon Street East and the president of the Jean-Talon East Commercial Development Committee, said he’s cautiously optimistic about the announcement.



Ridership is up on the Montreal Metro. In 2011, 405 million Metro trips were recorded. (CBC)

“We’re excited,” he told Daybreak this morning. “At the same time, we’re realistic it’s not going to be done tomorrow morning.”

“Am I going to be in a wheelchair by the time it happens? I’m not sure,” he continued.

He said extending the Metro eastward to Anjou would help alleviate traffic on the Metropolitan and would help improve the economy by making it easier for people to move from west to east.

“If you want to develop the east and make it feasible for people to move around easily, I think the Metro is very important,” Micheletti said.

At today's announcement, Gaudreault agreed, saying it would help bring business to stores and restaurants in the eastern part of the island.

Extending the blue line would also lead to more land development for housing, he said.

Metro to West Island won’t happen for a while

Ed Janiszewski, the mayor of Dollard-des-Ormeaux and a member of the STM’s board of directors, said the imminent extension of the blue line is not a matter of if, but when.

“Twenty years down the road, if we don’t build it, we’ll be sorry, because the costs will escalate,” he said.

Janiszewski said the blue line project is the most pressing extension of Montreal’s Metro system, but told Daybreak he wished the STM and the provincial government would move faster on extending service to the West Island.

He said because of the presence of Highway 40, there would be no one Metro line that could be extended to accommodate the entire West Island.

“You’d need a big loop to serve the whole West Island,” Janiszewski said.

He said the best option would be to change the Metro's wheels from rubber to steel, so that the metro could go outside as well.

“This is doable and it’s the only way we’ll ever get to see a Metro in the West Island in the next 20 or 30 years,” he said.

In 2010, the STM rejected a proposal from a Chinese company to build new Metro cars with steel wheels.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-metro-s-blue-line-to-get-major-extension-1.1861770
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 6:43 PM
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Just another study for the next 2 years... BS announcement.

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Montreal Metro's blue line to get major extension
Extension likely to cost $250-300 million per kilometer

Montreal’s Metro system is about to get its biggest and most expensive upgrade since the Laval extension.

The STM and the provincial government announced today the extension of the blue line east, to St-Leonard and Anjou.

Five more stops are expected to be added to the Metro line, likely near boulevards Viau, Pie-IX, Lacordaire and Langelier, with a terminal in Anjou.

It isn’t the first time an extension of the blue line has been discussed.

The project has been studied for years, along with other possible Metro line extension scenarios.

In 2009, then-Quebec premier Jean Charest announced a similar plan to extend the blue line six kilometres east from St-Michel, currently the line’s easternmost terminal.

The five-kilometre extension of the orange line to Laval was announced in 1998 and completed in 2007 at a cost of $745-million — about $150 million per kilometre.

At the announcement today, ministers Jean-Francois Lisée and Sylvain Gaudreault said this extension would cost between $250-300 million per kilometre.

How long will it take?

The first step the Quebec government will take is to set up a $38.8-million project planning office. It has a two-year mandate.

Quebec Transport Minister Gaudreault said the goal was to have a fully functional blue line by the early part of the 2020s.

Shortly after that, he said, work would begin on an extension of the yellow line, which currently ends at Longueuil on the South Shore.

Education Minister Marie Malavoy, who is also the minister responsible for the Montérégie region, said she was very pleased with the announcement of the yellow line extension.

"For the South Shore, it's excellent news," she said.

"It's a region that is full of development," Malavoy continued.

Metro extension important for economic development

Paul Micheletti, the owner of a business on Jean-Talon Street East and the president of the Jean-Talon East Commercial Development Committee, said he’s cautiously optimistic about the announcement.



Ridership is up on the Montreal Metro. In 2011, 405 million Metro trips were recorded. (CBC)

“We’re excited,” he told Daybreak this morning. “At the same time, we’re realistic it’s not going to be done tomorrow morning.”

“Am I going to be in a wheelchair by the time it happens? I’m not sure,” he continued.

He said extending the Metro eastward to Anjou would help alleviate traffic on the Metropolitan and would help improve the economy by making it easier for people to move from west to east.

“If you want to develop the east and make it feasible for people to move around easily, I think the Metro is very important,” Micheletti said.

At today's announcement, Gaudreault agreed, saying it would help bring business to stores and restaurants in the eastern part of the island.

Extending the blue line would also lead to more land development for housing, he said.

Metro to West Island won’t happen for a while

Ed Janiszewski, the mayor of Dollard-des-Ormeaux and a member of the STM’s board of directors, said the imminent extension of the blue line is not a matter of if, but when.

“Twenty years down the road, if we don’t build it, we’ll be sorry, because the costs will escalate,” he said.

Janiszewski said the blue line project is the most pressing extension of Montreal’s Metro system, but told Daybreak he wished the STM and the provincial government would move faster on extending service to the West Island.

He said because of the presence of Highway 40, there would be no one Metro line that could be extended to accommodate the entire West Island.

“You’d need a big loop to serve the whole West Island,” Janiszewski said.

He said the best option would be to change the Metro's wheels from rubber to steel, so that the metro could go outside as well.

“This is doable and it’s the only way we’ll ever get to see a Metro in the West Island in the next 20 or 30 years,” he said.

In 2010, the STM rejected a proposal from a Chinese company to build new Metro cars with steel wheels.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-metro-s-blue-line-to-get-major-extension-1.1861770
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 6:47 PM
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Too much money and too long a wait.

If the government really cared, construction would start today. Or 30 years ago when it was first announced.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 6:53 PM
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So we've moved from step 1 to step 2. Still a long way to go before there are any shovels in the ground.

The Project in Seven Steps
  1. Prepare the study program (completed)
  2. Define the project (in progress)
  3. Sequencing. Determine the steps of the extension project and elaborate the preliminary design
  4. Draft the contract documents
  5. Complete the procurement process
  6. Execute the construction work
  7. Transfer the structures
http://www.amt.qc.ca/corp_template.aspx?id=100380&LangType=1033
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 7:22 PM
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Things that should have happened by now:

-Eglinton Crosstown (subway or LRT).... subway completed, LRT started
-Downtown Relief Line.... at least started (should have been done a decade ago)
-Sheppard stubway extension.... completed
-Yonge/University extension.... started
-Scarborough LRT.... started
-Finch LRT.... started

At least the University extension and the Eglinton Crosstown are in progress. Toronto's spent way too many years bitching with itself and cancelling every project half started.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 7:27 PM
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I think every city can say that.

Calgary:
Subway through downtown, Southeast LRT under construction

Edmonton:
LRT to West Edmonton Mall with an underground station at each end of the mall, LRT to southeast

Vancouver:
Evergreen Line completed, Surrey Extension, UBC Extension


All of these are needed now, but the only one happening any time in the short term is the Evergreen Line, and possibly the SE Edmonton LRT.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 7:55 PM
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I think every city can say that.

Calgary:
Subway through downtown, Southeast LRT under construction

Edmonton:
LRT to West Edmonton Mall with an underground station at each end of the mall, LRT to southeast

Vancouver:
Evergreen Line completed, Surrey Extension, UBC Extension


All of these are needed now, but the only one happening any time in the short term is the Evergreen Line, and possibly the SE Edmonton LRT.
Don't forget, Ottawa is also building a subway through their downtown as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 7:57 PM
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SE LRT for Edmonton likely will start in 2016, opening 2020.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2013, 8:03 PM
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Wow, a subway station at each end of the mall for Edmonton. That is like the Eaton Centre with two subway stops on both ends of the mall. It will likely be a very heavy traffic route, if it is not already. I can imagine the big crowds on Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays too!!
     
     
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Also, there will be no UG station at the mall and simply 1 above grade.


(http://www.edmonton.ca/transportation/West_LRT__Nov29_4_West_Edmonton_Mall.jpg)
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Better than Hamilton being unable to even make a bus lane.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2013, 7:14 PM
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That station plan looks weak.

There really should be a passarelle / +15 type connection to the inside of the mall at the very least. (The setup that Metrotown has)

If I was designing it, I'd have the station integrated to the edge of the mall, like New West, Marine Drive, or Aberdeen stations. After all, no one should have to walk outside of the mall in the winter, around a bus loop, to get into the station.
     
     
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yorkdale was like that at first as well. Within a couple of years a skywalk was built to the station, and they focused the expansion efforts of the next couple of decades to reach the station. Now (admittedly 3 decades later) the subway station is well integrated into the mall.
     
     
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That station plan looks weak.

There really should be a passarelle / +15 type connection to the inside of the mall at the very least. (The setup that Metrotown has)

If I was designing it, I'd have the station integrated to the edge of the mall, like New West, Marine Drive, or Aberdeen stations. After all, no one should have to walk outside of the mall in the winter, around a bus loop, to get into the station.
I'm sure they will include a Skywalk. It wouldn't make sense otherwise, considering the area that the station is going is right across from the Chinatown and Bourbon Street sections of the mall, and directly between the Water Park and Theme Park. It would only make sense to have an optimal flow of people, especially considering the amount of bars on Bourbon Street.
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One thing Ottawa did right was integrating the St. Laurent transit station with the St. Laurent shopping centre. The lower level Transitway platform (soon to be converted to rail) provides complete protection from the elements, the mid level provides direct underground connection to the mall and the surface (top) level provides local bus transit.

Before and after. The red trusses above the transit right of way is the "mezzanine" level that connects to the mall.



Here is a late 80s view showing the Transitway, tunnel/station (dashed outline). The mall has since expanded and added parking structures on the St. Laurent Boulevard side (wide blv. on the lower part of the picture).

     
     
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I'm sure they will include a Skywalk. It wouldn't make sense otherwise, considering the area that the station is going is right across from the Chinatown and Bourbon Street sections of the mall, and directly between the Water Park and Theme Park. It would only make sense to have an optimal flow of people, especially considering the amount of bars on Bourbon Street.
The station plan is weak because the city can't plan what the mall will do. I understand that the mall is very much interested in linking to LRT, and intend to expand towards the station, but honestly it's at best a decade away. If the mall did have a plan they would change it 15 times by then.
     
     
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Stephen Harper promises funding to extend Toronto’s subway line in Scarborough


http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/22/...-line-in-scarborough/#comment-1055272502

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper says his government will help fund a subway extension in Toronto.
Harper didn’t say how much money the government will contribute to plans to extend the subway system into Toronto’s east-end.
He says the amount will be nailed down as the funding gets formally set aside.
The prime minister made the announcement in Toronto with Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and Mayor Rob Ford.
Ford says the funding is, in his words, “just what the doctor ordered” to build the extension.
The province has offered $1.4 billion for a shorter line, but a map at Sunday’s announcement suggests the line would be longer and in line with the city’s costlier original plan.

     
     
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Stephen Harper promises funding to extend Toronto’s subway line in Scarborough
Yo Harper... how about a national transit investment plan.
(not that this isn't great news)
     
     
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Wow. Ford looks like a bumbling joke in that pic. What an embarrassment of Canadian leadership to have a photo of those two dumpster pigs together.


Great news about the subway extension though!
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