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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2013, 1:01 PM
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Now, if someone could pick up a couple of those to act as water taxis on the canal...
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I'm not sure how water taxis work, but couldn't they start the first trip two hours prior to the game? Three boats running for two hours could carry a decent amount of people. And who knows if they're even using all the boats they own? Perhaps their fleet is bigger than three boats? Even though there may be faster ways to get to games, like walking for some, I'm sure a lot of people would love the experience of a relaxing boat ride to a game.
Paul's boat lines only has 3 boats on the canal. Check their website. Boats are expensive. Nobody is going to buy one or two or seven just to service major events at Lansdowne and unlike a coach or minibus you can't use it elsewhere to drive seniors to Syracuse or high school kids to the ski hill. There's a reason they charge $20 a ride. They need to recoup their costs.

Elsewhere on this thread people have imagined that you could get from Rideau to Landsowne in 20 minutes by boat. That may be the transit time, but as anyone who has flown on a regional flight knows, time in the air is a small portion of the trip. For boats you have to check tickets, load the boat, give the safety lecture. There's a similar rigmarole at the other end, you don't just teleport 50 people on an off a boat simultaneously. That's why it takes an hour and remember, that's an hour to the event and an hour after the event. Yes, people might like a nice relaxing ride to the game, but not as many want that nice relaxing ride back. That's why you see such an exodus in the third period of hockey game.

So there's a limited number of people who will trade the travel time for some food and a party atmosphere, but it's impact on the overall transit plan will always be infinitesimal.

We should be talking about how they are going to achieve the very ambitious cycling share. Here's an old Spacing article that outlines the challenge:

http://spacing.ca/ottawa/2011/12/01/the-cycling-lansdowne-situation-in-short/
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2013, 3:03 AM
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Model it on http://www.victoriaharbourferry.com/ . It's doable.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2013, 3:27 AM
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On a trip down to Orlando, I took a water taxi from Portofino Bay to Universal Studios almost daily and the wait time was maybe 15 minutes between boats (of which there were maybe 5), and max. five minutes for people to board. There was no emergency/safety information given. In total, the experience took about 15-20 minutes tops, and it was very enjoyable - saved a lot of time having to walk or drive between the two areas (plus had we taken a car we would have had to contend with parking - especially in terms of time and money). The boat also stopped at 2 other hotels (Hard Rock, and another one owned by Loews). It was all done through a canal-like river system between all four locations.



With that said, that's an example from the U.S., and perhaps the safety regulations are more strict here in Canada - thus, requiring an extra few minutes to talk about safety regulations before embarking down the canal.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2013, 3:39 AM
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The city posted up a few more pics today of the development. The South-side stands are looking good!



There are more photos here.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2013, 4:43 AM
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Not at all. I did it in 2003. I believe it was Paul's Boat Lines then too and it was catered by The Marbleworks. We left from near the Rideau Centre, got let out at Lansdowne and returned the same way. It was a great time.
Canal speed is about the same as the harbour taxis in Victoria, Nanaimo, and False Creek.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2013, 1:02 PM
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It just so happens that some friends and I went out on a little boat ride from Dow's Lake to Patterson Creek to downtown/Rideau Street last night. It's a pleasant ride, and even in a 1950s wood motorboat (sweeeeeet) it was very quick.

Yes, there would be dwell time loading and perhaps giving safety information, but that exists with EVERY mode of transportation other than walking:
-Transit: walking to the stop, waiting for the bus, paying the fare, finding a seat
-Cycling: walking to the bike, unlocking, packing the lock, putting on the helmet, getting to the bike path, ... finding a place to lock up, getting out the lock, locking up, walking from the bike parking to where you're going
-Driving: getting to where you parked, getting our of the parking garage (ramps, payments, etc), ... finding a parking spot, getting out of the garage (elevators, stairs, payments, etc)

So to discount a mode of transit because its not seamless would really mean discounting all modes of transportation.

I was in Turkey in May, and there is a city of over 10 million, with transit ferries criss crossing all over the place, all the time, using the same payment system as buses, LRT, metro. You arrived, paid at a turnstile, and boarded.

In New York, there are ferries all over the place.

In London, there are ferries up and down the Thames, and you pay with your Oyster card.

There's simply no reason it can't be PART of the transportation solution for Lansdowne.
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FYI The speed limit on the canal is 10 km/hr. So it should take about 20-25 minutes from downtown to Lansdowne, depending on the docking locations.

I agree with umbria about the limits of the service. It think it's important to remember that there are only 10 home football games per year, and the canal is drained during the season in mid-October, so maybe 8 would be covered. I don't see that being enough for someone to buy a new boat for taxi service, however I can see existing operators offering pre-game dinner cruises. OC Transpo is also unlikely to start its own regular canal ferry service given the limited season the Canal is actually open (May to Oct), however a pilot project would be neat to try (maybe the subject for another thread).
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And to think we will lose all that beautiful greenspace!!!!!! *snort*
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Old Posted Sep 3, 2013, 1:33 PM
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Paul's boat lines only has 3 boats on the canal. Check their website. Boats are expensive. Nobody is going to buy one or two or seven just to service major events at Lansdowne.
I don't believe it's intended for events only. That wasn't my impression, anyway. They refer to it as a means to get to the park, not to get to football games.
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Model it on http://www.victoriaharbourferry.com/ . It's doable.
Doable, but the Victoria Harbour has water year-round. The canal is drained and not navigable for almost half the year from November to April.
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Probably a bit late, but found this photo of a diorama that is displayed in the Minto condo showroom:



Originally posted by Ottawa REDBLACKS on Twitter (https://twitter.com/REDBLACKS/status/378544280844791809/photo/1)

The original post was pretty hilarious too

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What is this? A centre for ants? Lansdowne diorama found at the Bank St. Minto condo showroom #zoolander
Has anyone seen this in person? I know there are a lot of detailed renders out there, but there is something about a 3D model that gives you a real idea of scale.
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Has anyone seen this in person? I know there are a lot of detailed renders out there, but there is something about a 3D model that gives you a real idea of scale.
It's on display at the sales centre. I saw it during the Glebe garage sale.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2013, 9:43 PM
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The City of Ottawa just tweeted a pic of the wood beams that'll be a part of the veil on the south side stands.

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This experience coming soon to Lansdowne:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-maclean/surviving-whole-foods_b_3895583.html

It'll do a good job deflecting the snide comments away from Westboro
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This experience coming soon to Lansdowne:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-maclean/surviving-whole-foods_b_3895583.html

It'll do a good job deflecting the snide comments away from Westboro
What an inane piece of crap that was. Don't know her, but hate her.
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The City of Ottawa just tweeted a pic of the wood beams that'll be a part of the veil on the south side stands.

Where are the beams being assembled?
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2013, 2:21 PM
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Where are the beams being assembled?
The latest city update says the bases are being installed this week and the beams will arrive in October, but it doesn't say anything about where they're being assembled.
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What an inane piece of crap that was. Don't know her, but hate her.
It's a comedy bit, not a Massey Lecture. Relax.
Sure, Whole Foods and their clientele are an easy target, but that's never stopped this forum.
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