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Old Posted Sep 12, 2013, 7:33 PM
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There can be a day when downtown Los Angeles goes from being a joke to being "one hell of a great place." The possibilities are boundless.
That day has already come. Look at how busy the restaurants are on 7th street. Look at the people lining up for bars and clubs on Spring Street. Look at how busy LA Live! is at night for sports entertainment venues. Go to Grand Park on the weekends and see kids playing in our "pool" or the late night movies, or dancing at Dance Downtown.

It's no longer a joke. It's become a destination. My friends now want to go to downtown LA at night because it's more fun than other neighborhoods. But it will only get better......
     
     
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I believe that he and Garcetti will really make things happen. I saw that piece this morning and was very encouraged. Even though the outcome of these suggestions is still unknown, half the battle of solving a problem is recognizing that there is one.
Villairaigosa thought big infrastructure projects and turned around our Metro rail system by legalizing subway tunneling in LA and getting Measure R passed. He made LA think of transit first. 2005 was a different story, people still were consumed with the auto, but when he left office in 2013, people now think of all modes of transportation.

Garcetti will be the guy who humanizes LA to a more pedestrian scale. He'll have the focus on pedestrian and cycling needs and help create more walkable communities.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 12, 2013, 8:05 PM
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Villairaigosa thought big infrastructure projects and turned around our Metro rail system by legalizing subway tunneling in LA and getting Measure R passed. He made LA think of transit first. 2005 was a different story, people still were consumed with the auto, but when he left office in 2013, people now think of all modes of transportation.

Garcetti will be the guy who humanizes LA to a more pedestrian scale. He'll have the focus on pedestrian and cycling needs and help create more walkable communities.
To this end, Expo line had its best numbers yet last month, reaching ridership that was expected in 2020. The outgoing mayor did a great job with transit, and I hope Garcetti somehow is able to speed up the timelines for the purple and regional connector. Both of those seem way too long. Biking needs to be the next hurdle. We live in a city with great weather and is relatively flat but riding is a death wish. It's insane.
     
     
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What was the reason for the increased ridership in July 2013 vs July 2012? I assume the improving economy is part of it but ridership increased by more than five percent from 2012 to 2013.

http://www.metro.net/news/ridership-statistics/

There were significant ridership increases on both the Expo line and Red/Purple lines. I remember people here mentioned that the new fare-gates rather than the honor system was responsible for noticeable ridership declines in June 2013.

Hopefully the better than expected (perhaps much better than expected) ridership will help the LA MTA when it applies for federal grants for the Purple line.

For comic relief, look at Reason Foundation, Inc.'s assessment of the Expo line ridership: http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/05/new-light-rail-ridership-falls-short-by.
     
     
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What was the reason for the increased ridership in July 2013 vs July 2012? I assume the improving economy is part of it but ridership increased by more than five percent from 2012 to 2013.

http://www.metro.net/news/ridership-statistics/

There were significant ridership increases on both the Expo line and Red/Purple lines. I remember people here mentioned that the new fare-gates rather than the honor system was responsible for noticeable ridership declines in June 2013.

Hopefully the better than expected (perhaps much better than expected) ridership will help the LA MTA when it applies for federal grants for the Purple line.

For comic relief, look at Reason Foundation, Inc.'s assessment of the Expo line ridership: http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/05/new-light-rail-ridership-falls-short-by.
The Expo Line now has a full year of exposure, so ridership was definitely going to increase in the first year. The Culver City station didn't open until mid-June 2012 and buses were re-aligned to meet with the Expo Line in the July 1st, 2012 Metro shake-up.
     
     
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The Expo Line now has a full year of exposure, so ridership was definitely going to increase in the first year. The Culver City station didn't open until mid-June 2012 and buses were re-aligned to meet with the Expo Line in the July 1st, 2012 Metro shake-up.
The appropriate number to use should be from the Exposition Line Phase I Final EIR, and, placed in the build-out year for the projection. Those numbers are:
43,600 for ridership
2030 for the year.

Thusly, by the end of 12 months from opening, average daily ridership should be around 50-60% of that figure, and, at the end of 24 months, around 75-80% of that figure. Thusly, about a 1% increase each year thereafter.

If you ran the numbers... August 2013 is month #16 and the Expo Line is doing quite fine.
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The appropriate number to use should be from the Exposition Line Phase I Final EIR, and, placed in the build-out year for the projection. Those numbers are:
43,600 for ridership
2030 for the year.

Thusly, by the end of 12 months from opening, average daily ridership should be around 50-60% of that figure, and, at the end of 24 months, around 75-80% of that figure. Thusly, about a 1% increase each year thereafter.

If you ran the numbers... August 2013 is month #16 and the Expo Line is doing quite fine.
The good old' S-curve of transit ridership modeling!

Gas prices have been stable over the past year: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m. It would be interesting to see how much the Expo Line ridership would have increased if gas prices were increasing.
     
     
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That day has already come. Look at how busy the restaurants are on 7th street. Look at the people lining up for bars and clubs on Spring Street. Look at how busy LA Live! is at night for sports entertainment venues. Go to Grand Park on the weekends and see kids playing in our "pool" or the late night movies, or dancing at Dance Downtown.

It's no longer a joke. It's become a destination. My friends now want to go to downtown LA at night because it's more fun than other neighborhoods. But it will only get better......
I'm really not trying to be negative with what I'm about to say, but I think downtown right now is better at being a 'destination' than being a fully livable neighborhood. For example, that diner at 5th and Spring is now a bar. Coffeebar will be a bar, etc. Meanwhile, there aren't really any real diners, there isn't a coffee place with a good atmosphere (except for Demitasse, which is really small), there's no where to just go and hang out. There are a lot of fantastic, pricey restaurants (I love Baco), but very few cheaper but still decent everday places for dinner. It's a dead zone on sundays. Yeah, people want to come here to eat and drink, but that's a far cry from what it takes to make downtown a livable neighborhood. I want downtown to be its own self-sustaining city, a place that is pleasant to live - not just a destination for people's friends who want to get drunk and scream all night long.

I'm sure I'll creamed for writing that, but whatever.
     
     
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I'm really not trying to be negative with what I'm about to say, but I think downtown right now is better at being a 'destination' than being a fully livable neighborhood. For example, that diner at 5th and Spring is now a bar. Coffeebar will be a bar, etc. Meanwhile, there aren't really any real diners, there isn't a coffee place with a good atmosphere (except for Demitasse, which is really small), there's no where to just go and hang out. There are a lot of fantastic, pricey restaurants (I love Baco), but very few cheaper but still decent everday places for dinner. It's a dead zone on sundays. Yeah, people want to come here to eat and drink, but that's a far cry from what it takes to make downtown a livable neighborhood. I want downtown to be its own self-sustaining city, a place that is pleasant to live - not just a destination for people's friends who want to get drunk and scream all night long.

I'm sure I'll creamed for writing that, but whatever.
^Agree completely. Brudy has to be the most reasonable & knowledgable DTLA resident on this board when it comes to speaking of its livability.

I was so sad to see that instead of getting a much needed diner at 5th/Spring we got another god damn bar. Just wait until all the historic theaters are night clubs as well.
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Just wait until all the historic theaters are night clubs as well.
What's wrong with that? Remember, Downtown LA was once a 9-5 location and now that's it's getting some night life it's a bad thing?
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What's wrong with that? Remember, Downtown LA was once a 9-5 location and now that's it's getting some night life it's a bad thing?
At the risk of turning this into another forum war, it's just that it feels like all destination - all nightlife and high end restaurants, not a lot for just a quick bite, or a cool, low key place to grab dinner or a drink. Everything is trying so hard from a design perspective. Where are the quick eats dinner places that don't cost $40 for two people but isn't take out? There are a few places (like Maccheroni Republic), but not many. Where's the equivalent of the 101 Diner? Or the sandwhichy cafes that fill Santa Monica and Weho? We just don't have 'em yet and it's a little frustrating to see two more bars set to open on the same block. Add in the potential for all the theater clubs and the new bar in Spring Arcade and it's starting to feel like only a nightlife neighborhood. Like many other aspects of downtown, there isn't a lot of balance yet.

To be honest, most of the people I know who live downtown don't go out much in downtown on the weekends. Dinner yes, but the bars in the historic core are too full of H&V/B&T. All my opinion and various disclaimers.

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^Agree completely. Brudy has to be the most reasonable & knowledgable DTLA resident on this board when it comes to speaking of its livability.

I was so sad to see that instead of getting a much needed diner at 5th/Spring we got another god damn bar. Just wait until all the historic theaters are night clubs as well.
Instead of what? Boarded up eyesores like the Regent, Tower, Palace, Balasco, Mayan and Rialto have been in recent years? 5th and Spring location was a lousy hot dog place before it became a lousy diner. Oh, and sorry to tell you this since I am sure I am not reasonable and thoughtful...but the 10,000 sq foot empty Eastern Columbia basement is about to become a bar as well. How terrible for a NYC Brooklyn bar owner to invest here in DTLA. Perhaps he should have opened in Chicago and left that abandoned basement empty.
     
     
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The good old' S-curve of transit ridership modeling!

Gas prices have been stable over the past year: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m. It would be interesting to see how much the Expo Line ridership would have increased if gas prices were increasing.
The reasons behind ridership fluctuations is sooooo dynamic.... I truly wonder whereas prices actually rank in terms of their influence.
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I do wish there were more 24 hour places downtown. 7/11 only goes so far.
     
     
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Great piece! It's very good news to read that Huizar is trying to ameliorate the situation. Any idea on when it will be voted on and its chances for passing?
I'm not sure. He just submitted the motion on the 10th, and it has to go through the planning and land use committee first. It'll probably be up for a vote in a few weeks.

It doesn't seem like something that would be too controversial when coming up for a vote, though. Huizar submitted the motion, and Curren Price seconded it. They're the only council members whose districts overlap with the area described, so I they're not going to fight against it.

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Yeah, people want to come here to eat and drink, but that's a far cry from what it takes to make downtown a livable neighborhood. I want downtown to be its own self-sustaining city, a place that is pleasant to live - not just a destination for people's friends who want to get drunk and scream all night long.
that's why I was surprised....assuming I'm not confusing you with another forumer....when you said you were unhappy about new projs not being taller or bigger. I tend to associate that reaction with urbanist fanboys & fangirls who often live far away from dtla. I'm even more puzzled by that reaction when I'm actually in dt....looking at things closely & directly....& come away with the same feeling you have when you note that your hood is dead on sundays. iow, to me it's like getting into a car that has 3 flat tires & complaining about the seats being upholstered in vinyl instead of leather.

but, again, forumers like you & hunterk do live in dt....do see it 24/7....so for ppl like me to judge things....or understand things the way you do....is hard when we don't walk in your shoes.
     
     
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I'm not sure. He just submitted the motion on the 10th, and it has to go through the planning and land use committee first. It'll probably be up for a vote in a few weeks.

It doesn't seem like something that would be too controversial when coming up for a vote, though. Huizar submitted the motion, and Curren Price seconded it. They're the only council members whose districts overlap with the area described, so I they're not going to fight against it.
Thanks for the update, Blackcat. And nice job on the blog!
     
     
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that's why I was surprised....assuming I'm not confusing you with another forumer....when you said you were unhappy about new projs not being taller or bigger. I tend to associate that reaction with urbanist fanboys & fangirls who often live far away from dtla. I'm even more puzzled by that reaction when I'm actually in dt....looking at things closely & directly....& come away with the same feeling you have when you note that your hood is dead on sundays. iow, to me it's like getting into a car that has 3 flat tires & complaining about the seats being upholstered in vinyl instead of leather.

but, again, forumers like you & hunterk do live in dt....do see it 24/7....so for ppl like me to judge things....or understand things the way you do....is hard when we don't walk in your shoes.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
     
     
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On the rumor front, and forgive my ignorance on this if I'm wrong, but I think they were soil testing this week at 5th and Olive (site of Park 5th). They dug several small holes roughly 1-2 feet wide that were pretty deep (they used a tall driller thing), then the next day or two a different group of people were there digging out stuff from said holes, which were then lastly patched. There have been rumors floating around of a potential sale, so who knows.
     
     
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Joseph Hellen, a longtime Downtown landowner who in recent years has created nearly 300 apartments by turning century-old buildings into housing, has what he considers to be the perfect addition to the Historic Core: a 40-story residential tower that would rise between his Spring Arcade Building and the Alexandria Hotel.

The concept of erecting a steel and glass high-rise amidst mid-level early 20th structures might strike some as architecturally jarring, but the 87-year-old Holocaust survivor believes this is a defining time for Los Angeles, and if it wants to be considered a “world class city,” he said, it should exhibit world-class high-rises.

During an interview last week in the offices of his Central City real estate and development firm, Downtown Management, Hellen described how he has scrapped various plans for the site that had been considered over the past eight years. In August 2012, he envisioned a 12-story apartment complex on the property in the 500 block of South Spring Street.

Instead, he has hired a new architecture team, Martinez + Cutri Corporation, which has worked up renderings for the mammoth structure that folks are more apt to see in South Park than the Historic Core.
“It is a show building for Los Angeles,” said Hellen, who spends most of his time in Melbourne, Australia, and travels to Downtown to oversee his business interests a few times a year.

Preliminary cost projections for the Spring Street apartment project’s basic core and shell are $120 million, with the likelihood of a much higher price tag depending on the quality of the residential finishes, Hellen said. The company is looking to create 252 units, which will be built to condominium specs, though the plan is initially to market them as apartments.

Known for financing his buildings out of his own pocket, Hellen said he is not seeking a construction loan at this time, and plans to use existing resources to fund the project.
The high-rise, which Hellen is calling the Stationer’s Building for the former stationery business that once occupied the now parking lot, will offer approximately 12,000 to 15,000 square feet of ground floor retail, along with six levels of parking. The rest of the structure would be residential.

A timeline for the project has not been announced. The development needs to secure entitlements from the city.

Hellen said he suspects he’ll keep the Stationer’s name for the building, In his past Downtown adaptive reuse projects, the Spring Arcade, Jewelry Trades and Chester Williams buildings, he has also utilized the historic monikers.

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If Hellen gets the green light from the city, it would mark the first time that he has built from the ground-up in Downtown, instead of restoring an old property. In addition to the trio of apartment complexes that came online between 2010 and 2012, Hellen owns the Roxie, Cameo and Arcade theaters on Broadway, which currently operate as swap meets. Hellen, who made his fortune in real estate in Australia, bought most of his Downtown buildings in the early 1990s.

Renderings show the proposed Spring Street structure towering over its neighbors, markedly altering the streetscape and skyline. Though the design will undoubtedly raise eyebrows, Downtown Management Vice President Greg Martin said there is a precedent in Melbourne, where old colonial buildings coexist alongside high-rises that are 70 stories or more.
“Los Angeles has a lot of beautiful, existing architecture with lots of areas where we could build high-rise architecture,” Martin said. “[Modern high-rises] are not going to compete with the existing architecture. They’re only going to enhance it.”

Hellen is not the only Downtown real estate veteran looking to go tall in the heart of the community. Izek Shomof, an early adaptive reuse developer who turned several old Spring Street buildings into housing, is working on creating a 22-story tower at Fourth Street and Broadway with about 400 units. Barry Shy, who has created hundreds of apartments in former Historic Core office structures, has plans for SB Omega, a 40-story tower that would rise at 601 S. Main St. It would have 350 apartments.

Although 14th District City Councilman José Huizar has not yet seen the latest concept design for Hellen’s Spring Street tower, his spokesman Rick Coca said Huizar is “generally supportive of more high-rises being built.” Huizar last week introduced a motion intended to incentivize high-rise development and hotel uses in Downtown.

“The towers in Downtown define the city’s skyline, a landmark in the region and around the world,” Huizar stated in his motion.

Some in Downtown circles have worried that a rush of six- and seven-story apartment structures now in development could imperil a chance to increase density by building high-rises in one of the few Los Angeles communities that generally supports taller projects. In a recent Los Angeles Downtown News story, Shomof pointed out that as high-rises inch skyward, that can equate to more units, which add up to a better return.

That’s certainly what Hellen concludes.

“When you have a [40-story] building, you can break even in less than five years,’’ he said.

Hellen acknowledges that it may take a decade for the real estate community to recognize that he and other developers are on the ground floor of Downtown’s high-rise movement. He said he’s not worried about others eventually catching up.
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