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Old Posted Sep 4, 2013, 3:44 PM
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If the WEP loses its cinema, I would much rather see some big retailer such as a urban sized Canadian Tire or Future Shop as suggested earlier. More office space would be a lost opportunity, as well as super expensive for the owners, as mentioned in the Citizen today, Place de Ville opted to keep an empty cinema instead of converting to office space.

The Citizen also mentioned that a few Cinema operators approached the WEP with the interest of taking over the space but apparently the WEP is worried about Lansdowne; apparently big movies usually don't play in two different cinemas less than 5 km apart. The Rideau and WEP lived in harmony due to the fact that they were operated by the same company (Empire). That said, considering the big suburban cinemas in low density areas have 20+ theatre rooms compared to Lansdowne's 10 and WEP's 7(?), I don't see this as an issue.
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Old Posted Sep 4, 2013, 5:17 PM
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Uncertainty over Lansdowne cinema engulfs World Exchange theatre, too

Manager says building owner would rather not convert facility to office space

By David Reevely, OTTAWA CITIZEN September 3, 2013


OTTAWA — Uncertainty about Lansdowne Park’s planned new movie theatre is one reason why the World Exchange Plaza hasn’t signed a new operator for its cinema, the downtown office complex’s leasing manager said Tuesday.

“The incentive for us is to continue on,” Daniel Gray told city council’s finance committee, explaining that converting the multiplex inside the World Exchange into office space would be expensive and difficult, even though the building’s owner is asking for permission to do just that.

Windowless theatres with sloped floors aren’t easy to repurpose, Gray said, estimating it would take 10 years to recoup the cost. And that’s in a normal market, whereas just now Ottawa has a glut of office space downtown. It’s so expensive that Place de Ville’s underground cinema, once the biggest in town, has been mothballed for nearly 20 years.

Three theatre chains have approached him in at least a general way about taking over the World Exchange cinema when the Empire Theatres lease expires at the end of the year. Empire is getting out of the movie house business; it has sold most of its screens and is walking away from the rest, including the one at the World Exchange.

But, said Gray, there’s a problem: Movie distributors won’t give the same movies to theatres within five kilometres of each other. “They’re not going to give two locations in close proximity to each other what I’ll call the A-quality films,” Gray said.

The World Exchange and the now-closed cinema at the Rideau Centre managed the problem by catering to different audiences, with the Rideau Centre showing more teen-blockbuster flicks and the World Exchange typically screening movies that are a bit higher-brow. Both of them were Empire cinemas, so that division was easy to maintain.

But now the Rideau Centre’s theatre is closed and everyone is waiting see what happens with the theatre at Lansdowne. It is under construction, an integral part of the city’s agreement with the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group to redevelop the Glebe fairground. It’s also another Empire property whose future is unclear and it’s only 2½ kilometres from the World Exchange Plaza.

Both OSEG and Empire have said they expect to honour the agreement to have a cinema at Lansdowne, meant to be a high-end operation with luxurious seats, good food and a liquor licence, but neither has said just how. A cinema operator there could also take over the World Exchange theatres, co-operate with it, compete with it, or make taking it over an obviously foolhardy move for anybody, depending who it is. If there’s no Lansdowne theatre, running the World Exchange cinema would be a lot more attractive.

“We really have no comment on this issue at this time,” said OSEG’s lead partner, Roger Greenberg, through a spokesman. Negotiations are continuing over the Lansdowne theatre and that’s it.

In the meantime, the World Exchange’s owner, the British Columbia Investment Management Corp., and its real-estate company Bentall Kennedy (Gray’s employer) want the option to turn their cinema into something else.

At issue is an agreement between the city and the property’s original developer, which included a promise to include an “entertainment” use in the building. The agreement has been amended over the years, most recently in about 1997, and even the city’s lawyers aren’t sure it committed the World Exchange’s owners to keep providing entertainment after the building was finished. Everyone agrees that that entertainment use, even if it is legally required, wouldn’t necessarily have to be a movie theatre. But the companies want a definitive ruling saying that they can do whatever they want in the theatre space as long as it’s consistent with the building’s mixed-use zoning.

Most councillors on the finance committee weren’t happy about the prospect.

“There’s actually more pressure for entertainment downtown than 15 or 20 years ago,” observed Gloucester-Southgate’s Diane Deans, what with all the condo towers city council has approved lately.

Councillors on the finance committee weren’t convinced they had enough information to decide. It wasn’t clear how binding the agreement is, for instance.

At the suggestion of Mayor Jim Watson, city manager Kent Kirkpatrick was told to take charge of the file and bring a proper report to the finance committee’s next meeting, scheduled for Oct. 1.

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Old Posted Sep 4, 2013, 8:33 PM
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Ottawa doesn't have the density yet to justify the incredible cost of urban box stores. in addition, not enough people don't have cars and therefore are natural customers for these urban box stores, and suburban stores aren't far or inconvenient enough to affect people's wilingness to get to them.

For instance, on the weekend when there's basically no traffic, you can get from the Nicholas on-ramp to IKEA in 7 minutes.
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Here is an update to the post I put in this thread about uOttawa possibly opening a satellite campus in SW Ont.


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University proposed potential southwestern Ontario expansion in 2012 strategy document

Adam Feibel | Fulcrum Staff

A MEMBER OF Provincial Parliament in southwestern Ontario is lobbying the University of Ottawa to put a new campus in his riding.

The U of O is currently looking at options to expand into southwestern Ontario. Lambton-Kent-Middlesex MPP Monte McNaughton recently wrote to U of O president Allan Rock to explain why his riding would be a suitable area for expansion.

“It is my strong belief that the University of Ottawa will find not only a suitable location for your upcoming expansion, but also a pool of highly motivated and talented prospective students,” McNaughton wrote.

The request comes in response to a university strategy document sent to the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities.

“We are examining the possibility of creating a satellite campus in South-Western Ontario, where the growth in the Francophone community is strongest and French-language postsecondary education is unavailable,” the document states.

“We are uniquely equipped both technologically and pedagogically among Ontario universities to contribute meaningfully to the store of French-language and bilingual content online, available for distance education or as an open resource.”

The university has not provided an update on the possible expansion since the strategy document was published last fall.

François Boileau, Ontario’s French language services commissioner, noted in a report published in June 2012 that only five of the 21 post-secondary institutions in the region offer French-language programs.

“With the rapid growth of Central-Southwestern Ontario’s Francophone population, it is more critical than ever to remedy the insufficient number of colleges and universities in that region that offer French-language programs and services,” said Boileau.

The Lambton-Kent-Middlesex riding covers more than 6,400 square kilometres east of Sarnia, Ont., west of London, and extending southwest to Lake St. Clair near the United States border.

Southwestern Ontario is home to more than 100,000 bilingual Canadians and roughly 118,000 French speakers.

According to a press release on McNaughton’s website, many of these people are residents in his riding and a bilingual campus in the area could fill an important niche between Western University in London and the U of O’s satellite program with the faculty of education at the University of Windsor.

“There’s a lot of exciting things happening in Southwestern Ontario, it’s no wonder the University of Ottawa would look to capitalize on this,” McNaughton wrote to Rock.

The university has not yet responded to McNaughton’s letter.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 2:04 PM
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Re.: WEP

How about an urban grocery store?
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 2:13 PM
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How about an urban grocery store?
I'm sure it would be nice, but with one going into TriBeCa not far away, is it viable?
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 2:15 PM
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Wouldn't that be too close to the grocery store being built at Metcalfe/Nepean?
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 2:19 PM
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a third floor grocery store sounds like a logistical nightmare to me.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 2:54 PM
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^ Ha! I must admit that I've never been to that theater and had no idea it was on a floor other than ground.
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WEP is also not in much of a residential area (at least at the moment) so I don't think a food store would be as good. Downtown is making good progress on food stores lately with Sobeys and perhaps farmboy coming.

A store that would be successful needs to appeal to office workers at a minimum. That is why future shop on Ogilvie does so well. Look at what is across the street. Those spy types love their gadgets
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 3:25 PM
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Maybe Holt Renfrew could move into that WEP space?
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 3:48 PM
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WEP is also not in much of a residential area (at least at the moment) so I don't think a food store would be as good. Downtown is making good progress on food stores lately with Sobeys and perhaps farmboy coming.

A store that would be successful needs to appeal to office workers at a minimum. That is why future shop on Ogilvie does so well. Look at what is across the street. Those spy types love their gadgets
They also love to eat out for lunch. The restaurants around there are usually quite busy at lunch time. With CSE moving there soon they'll see a boost in business for sure.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 3:51 PM
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mmmm, "lunch"

quit it, you're making me hungry!
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 5:06 PM
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Ottawa doesn't have the density yet to justify the incredible cost of urban box stores. in addition, not enough people don't have cars and therefore are natural customers for these urban box stores, and suburban stores aren't far or inconvenient enough to affect people's wilingness to get to them.

For instance, on the weekend when there's basically no traffic, you can get from the Nicholas on-ramp to IKEA in 7 minutes.
I certainly wouldn't build a Wal-Mart downtown but I think a smaller urban sized Canadian Tire might be warranted. Just don't sell riding mowers and gazebos.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 5:41 PM
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They also love to eat out for lunch. The restaurants around there are usually quite busy at lunch time. With CSE moving there soon they'll see a boost in business for sure.
A little off topic, but has anyone been to one of the new farm boys with the hot bar? I get lunch at the train yards location every now and then and it's fantastic- they pretty much emulated whole foods hot bar concept. It would be awesome to have this downtown, I'm really hoping for that farm boy at SoBa.
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A little off topic, but has anyone been to one of the new farm boys with the hot bar? I get lunch at the train yards location every now and then and it's fantastic- they pretty much emulated whole foods hot bar concept. It would be awesome to have this downtown, I'm really hoping for that farm boy at SoBa.
I go to the Trainyards one quite often. It's really truly fantastic...but — expensive if you want to fill up on meat and pasta!!
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Here is an update to the post I put in this thread about uOttawa possibly opening a satellite campus in SW Ont.
I wonder what disciplines they are considering offering at a satellite campus? Would love to see them come to K-C-W, but I sense they are looking more to the Windsor-London area.
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Ottawa doesn't have the density yet to justify the incredible cost of urban box stores. in addition, not enough people don't have cars and therefore are natural customers for these urban box stores, and suburban stores aren't far or inconvenient enough to affect people's wilingness to get to them.
I'm willing to bet that's wrong.

Sadly, the retailers in this town don't have the imagination to settle the case either way. All they are interested in building, owning, or renting, is more suburban —.
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They also love to eat out for lunch. The restaurants around there are usually quite busy at lunch time.
And start closing at 1:15, which bugs the hell out of late-lunching me...
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2013, 12:27 PM
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I'm willing to bet that's wrong.

Sadly, the retailers in this town don't have the imagination to settle the case either way. All they are interested in building, owning, or renting, is more suburban —.
The retailers in this town? Sorry I thought we were talking about big box stores, which are national. Yes, yes, we were.

As much as we all like the progress of central Ottawa, it is a slow one, with only 1500 or so units added in central neighbourhoods each year compared to about 5000 in the suburbs.
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