Winnipeg Construction VIII - Page 26

steveosnyder · #**501** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 4:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Wigglez

Images of people flying everywhere after getting hit by cars as they attempt to cross comes to mind with that statement lol.

Why is spending money on pedestrian crossings on streets like Kenaston or Bishop acceptable when cars are doing 80kph? That has to be much more dangerous for people to cross than an intersection where cars are doing 50 at best (I say at best because the mix of traffic and CONSTANT traffic signals slows things down 90% of the time).

To be blunt I don't think there's going to be enough foot traffic at portage and main to cause this nightmarish hellscape of death and endless traffic jams. There needs to be more reason to actually walk that area for it to be a major problem, glass walls are not a reason to hang around.

I was looking at the numbers from Stats Canada about auto accident fatalities just the other day, and while my numbers are rough, they are not far off. Something like 40% of accidents happen in "rural" settings (while the definition was a little vague about urban and metro areas, one thing that rural included was all streets where speeds were greater than 60 km/h) but they account for over 70% of all fatal accidents.

I completely agree that pedestrian crossings here, while not safe at all, is still leaps and bounds safer than pedestrians allowed to cross at intersections like Sterling Lyon and Kenaston. Why don't we close that intersection to pedestrians?

EDIT: Source material is http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-1317.htm with the location stat at the bottom. Actual numbers were 24% of accidents happen in a rural setting, but account for 57% of all fatal accidents. This also doesn't account for people traveling over the speed limit in the urban setting. Speed kills folks.

DavefromSt.Vital · #**502** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 5:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

ha ha...oops..meant bloor and bay.

toronto sux.

Actually, Toronto is eliminating the scramble intersection at Bay and Bloor

Biff · #**503** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 2:22 PM**

Here are the images:

vellakaran · #**504** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 2:54 PM**

So that red arched proposal wants a slightly less underground crossing? still looks and feels underground to me.
This is not hard. Remove the barriers. Set up the lights so that people and cars are not in conflict (like they are lots of times by left turning drivers). We dont need shrubs or grasses or bridges. I remember crossing there as a kid all the time, and it was no big deal.

bomberjet · #**505** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by vellakaran

So that red arched proposal wants a slightly less underground crossing? still looks and feels underground to me.
This is not hard. Remove the barriers. Set up the lights so that people and cars are not in conflict (like they are lots of times by left turning drivers). We dont need shrubs or grasses or bridges. I remember crossing there as a kid all the time, and it was no big deal.

I agree totally.

Get rid of the barriers, paint crosswalks (no scramble). There you go, done. It really is that simple. Streetscape it to the same standards as Market and Donald so it looks and feels nice. Finito! Cost what, $5M?

The huge overpass thing seems like a waste of money. Build that overpass on Lag or Bishop or Kenaston where it's needed, not at P & M.

Lenin · #**506** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 5:03 PM**

Thanks for the find, Biff! I've been searching for that for a while now!

And to address comments about the cost effectiveness; I never made any claims that it was. It actually looks insanely expensive. I just think it's a really cool design, and a neat example of something that could be done. It's a shame how many great ideas out there that will never come into fruition....

Thanks again for sharing, Biff!

JamieDavid Exchange · #**507** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 5:22 PM**

There's a post drill machine at the Fortress lot. I have a feeling a sign is gonna be erected there..... September 6 announcement???.....

calder · #**508** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

Here are the images:
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Very interesting, likely not practical at all as you've all noted but still worth imagining.

A decade or so ago I drove through St. Louis right past the arch there and it was incredibly impressive. Ever since I've yearned for Winnipeg to basically steal the idea and make a giant decorative arch literally anywhere. Across the Assiniboine at the forks maybe. Make it a different colour or look slightly different so we can pretend we didn't just completely copy the St. Louis arch, but who cares it's so awesome.

Biff · #**509** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 6:53 PM**

...oh, i missed getting a picture of it, but the angled pillars that will hold up the huge cantilevered 2nd to 4th floors of the new Women's Hospital have been installed. They are pretty impressive. If anyone is out that way, try to get some shots of them. They are huge, round, steel pillars at all kinds of angles. It will look very cool when done.

bomberjet · #**510** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by calder

Very interesting, likely not practical at all as you've all noted but still worth imagining.

A decade or so ago I drove through St. Louis right past the arch there and it was incredibly impressive. Ever since I've yearned for Winnipeg to basically steal the idea and make a giant decorative arch literally anywhere. Across the Assiniboine at the forks maybe. Make it a different colour or look slightly different so we can pretend we didn't just completely copy the St. Louis arch, but who cares it's so awesome.

We already did, just not on that large of scale

Image source

trueviking · #**511** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

...oh, i missed getting a picture of it, but the angled pillars that will hold up the huge cantilevered 2nd to 4th floors of the new Women's Hospital have been installed. They are pretty impressive. If anyone is out that way, try to get some shots of them. They are huge, round, steel pillars at all kinds of angles. It will look very cool when done.

I'm by there later today....that is going to be a spectacular building.

esquire · #**512** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 7:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

I'm by there later today....that is going to be a spectacular building.

It can't open fast enough... the existing HSC Women's Hospital looks, inside and outside, like something out of Leningrad ca. 1962.

Biff · #**513** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 7:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

It can't open fast enough... the existing HSC Women's Hospital looks, inside and outside, like something out of Leningrad ca. 1962.

Both of our kids were born there. Our first we had a brand new birthing room. It was great, I relaxed in a big ass recliner and watched the World Series. For our second we weren't able to get a room so we had our son in a delivery room and then retreated back to our lovely mint green, 1945 era renovated holding cell room. I slept in a waiting room chair next to our newborn.

Biff · #**514** Posted **Sep 4, 2013, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by JamieDavid Exchange

There's a post drill machine at the Fortress lot. I have a feeling a sign is gonna be erected there..... September 6 announcement???.....

The event is titled "The Reveal". There will be renderings.

inlp89 · #**515** Posted **Sep 5, 2013, 12:11 AM**

Has anyone explored having P&M traffic underground? like a role reversal kind of plan?

Wigglez · #**516** Posted **Sep 5, 2013, 12:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by inlp89

Has anyone explored having P&M traffic underground? like a role reversal kind of plan?

An amazing plaza at our famous intersection would be amazing. Sadly I assume the costs of tearing up everything under P&M would be FAR beyond anything the city is willing to do.

However in a world where money is no object, I'd love to see that happen.

oftheMoon · #**517** Posted **Sep 5, 2013, 3:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

The event is titled "The Reveal". There will be renderings.

Charles Mady tweeted this evening:

@CMadyToronto: Sorry- It is my understanding that the media advisory I attached to my last tweet is not downloading-see the attached http://twitter.com/CMadyToronto/status/375443292495704064/photo/1

trueviking · #**518** Posted **Sep 5, 2013, 3:35 AM**

Very interesting....can't wait to see it.

I wonder what the competition will be....naming?....will they have three options for us to pick from?

These guys are marketing geniuses.

trueviking · #**519** Posted **Sep 5, 2013, 4:30 AM**

women's hospital

calder · #**520** Posted **Sep 5, 2013, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

We already did, just not on that large of scale

LOL, yes I'll have to satisfied with that I guess. Until I accidentally invent the next Facebook or something and, as Winnipeg's most eccentric billionaire, pay to have a gigantic trio of arches spanning the rivers at the forks.

Just to add my voice to the choir, I completely agree about the new Women's Hospital building - look forward to the finished product because I think it will look fantastic. I should walk over and take a look at lunch, it's like a quarter of a block away from my office here and yet I haven't seen it since excavation.