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Old Posted Aug 26, 2013, 12:22 AM
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It's a part of the aerogreen business park. Not sure which one, but of the two proposed hotels for that area
Are you sure Kalin - my understanding is Aerogreen is south of 45th St. the development I'm referring to is right up by the hangers 2 blocks north of 45th
     
     
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Are you sure Kalin - my understanding is Aerogreen is south of 45th St. the development I'm referring to is right up by the hangers 2 blocks north of 45th
Sorry, I am wrong. That I'm not sure of.
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Third Avenue United Church bid chosen

By Jeremy Warren, The StarPhoenix
August 23, 2013 9:23 AM


The Third Avenue United Church can take down its ‘For Sale’ sign.

On Thursday, United Church officials approved a bid to buy the iconic building in downtown Saskatoon.

The congregation chose a bid from a non-profit group led by John Orr over a bid from the Third Avenue Centre, which for several years has been hoping to establish a permanent arts centre in the church. Both bids promised to use the church for a performing arts centre.

“It was a very, very hard decision,” said Peter Barnacle, chair of the congregation’s board. “We’ve shed some tears over this.”

The sale of the building hinged on commitments from the successful bid to preserve the building and allow the congregation to remain in the church. Both bids were committed to the congregation’s demands, but the group led by Orr came in “significantly higher” and gave the church members more opportunities to flourish after years of financial troubles, Barnacle said. [...]

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/entertainment/Third+Avenue+United+Church+chosen/8822918/story.html
Disappointing news. Third Avenue Centre had the community base to really create something spectacular. But to be fair, we haven't yet heard from John Orr and his non-profit's plans for the building. Perhaps there will be an opportunity for the TAC folks to partner with the new owner?

Maybe our Regina compadres can help shed some light on who this John Orr is? I understand he owns/operates the Orr Centre in Regina - what is that place like? What is its function in the community? I had heard something about him wanting to run a bible college or something of the like in Third Avenue United.
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[B]Prime retail space scarce
"People want to buy high exposure retail space like on Eighth Street and there are no options available."

Why oh why isn't anybody redeveloping that horrid looking empty corner lot on 8th and Arlington? Can't stand that dead patch. It's almost as bad as 22nd and H.
     
     
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Reported by François Biber, NewsTalk 650 CKOM

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Rising oil prices are adding to the cost of asphalt, and it's making concrete a more competitive option for road construction.

And the City of Saskatoon's infrastructure services branch is studying how concrete streets would play out in the City of Bridges.

"(Concrete) is becoming more competitive … so we definitely want to look at it as an option. We already allow concrete to be used on our roads but we general don't build all our roads out of concrete right now and one of the reasons is because we have to look at the life cycles of it and the costs to maintain those roads," said Rob Frank, strategic services manager with infrastructure services.

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Hi All,

I've posted the second part of my summer photo tour of Saskatoon in the My City Photos section of the forum.

Check it out here: [Part II]









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Old Posted Aug 26, 2013, 6:56 PM
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Always a pleasure to go through your pictures, Echoes. I can confirm that I am featured in exactly 0 of them .
     
     
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Another solid compilation, Echoes!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2013, 8:12 PM
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Disappointing news. Third Avenue Centre had the community base to really create something spectacular. But to be fair, we haven't yet heard from John Orr and his non-profit's plans for the building. Perhaps there will be an opportunity for the TAC folks to partner with the new owner?

Maybe our Regina compadres can help shed some light on who this John Orr is? I understand he owns/operates the Orr Centre in Regina - what is that place like? What is its function in the community? I had heard something about him wanting to run a bible college or something of the like in Third Avenue United.
I doubt whether that would happen. You're right in remembering that Orr initially wanted to repurpose the building as the Western Christian College (that conversation should be somewhere in this thread). It seems like his proposal changed during the RFP process, and now his plan is to have it as a "performing arts centre". But of what type we're not sure, because he hasn't stated anything publicly.

What I understand is that the congregation feels very betrayed by its board, which I think is warranted given that in March they supported TAC. It could be argued that TAC probably feels the same way, and so I wouldn't call TAC petty for refusing to work with Orr, if that's what it comes down to. Inferring from today's article, it does seem to be a complete reversal of the expected result that has left a whole lot of unanswered questions. I agree that it'd be great to get our fellow posters from Regina to provide a bit of insight on the Orr Centre (how busy it is, what kind of events are usually held, etc).

TAC's proposal looked wonderful (I particularly like the interconnectedness of it by getting the university coming on board as a tenant). AND anyone can see it on their website (Here's the proposal link: http://share.pdfonline.com/44c93c25de514538afa128118134b94f/TAC001195%20-%20Proposal_05.htm). As for Orr's proposal, well... has anyone actually seen it? And why won't he speak to anyone publicly about it? To me, that's cause for concern.

In my mind, there is no better use for the building than a concert hall. And in my opinion, it would have been a flourishing concert hall under TAC.

Here's today's article from the SP:

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/saskatoon/Rejected+upsets+Church+flock/8832752/story.html
     
     
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I already said it in the My Cities thread, but again: fantastic job Echoes! What a wonderful city you've captured so well.
     
     
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I'd really love to be proven wrong, but my gut tells me that this is yet another instance whereby Saskatoon's heritage will be sold out from under it. From what I understand: "Members of the Third Avenue United Church congregation say they're upset and shocked by their board's choice to sell the Saskatoon cathedral to a new non-profit organization led by engineer John Orr" ...per the Star-Phoenix

I used to live in Saskatoon, so I still follow events in this city, but admittedly, not on a daily basis. As such, I don't understand, if the members of Third Avenue United Church supported the TAC bid, then why did John Orr's bid win?

My gut tells me that Saskatoon's latent, but vocal and puritanical segment of the population is showing is ugly face once again in this zeal for a Bible College. [Yes, I realize the irony in my saying that when we're talking about a church]. But again, I come back to wondering why the TAC bid was turned down, especially after being given support by members of the Third Avenue United Church.
Church board secretary Philip Bray said Orr has a good reputation as a landlord. "I hope John Orr is a man of his word," he said. Like several other members who questioned Barnacle, (Helen) Few wonders if the congregation's right to use the cathedral and its basement rooms will be guaranteed and whether the church pews and pipe organ will remain. "The Third Avenue Centre made its business plan public to demonstrate its long-term viability, will Mr. Orr do the same?"

So... based on Saskatoon's sketchy past with regard to preserving the historical integrity in its buidlings, here are my predictions:
  1. Orr will not be a man of his word (the fact Philip Bray even mentions this suggests there is already doubt in some people's minds)
  2. the pews and pipe organs will disappear... as inevitably someone in Orr's organization will bring into question the structural integrity of these pieces of history, so they will need to be gotten rid of
  3. in replacement of the pews and pipe organs, the core of the building will be gutted and subdivided into bible-school classrooms, much in the same way that century-old-houses are gutted and subdivided into cheap rooming house apartments
  4. the only concerts I predict to be held at the Third Avenue United Church will be Christmas pageants, Easter remembrances, and the odd gospel music concert and prayer session held by some travelling televangelist from the southern USA.
Again - I'd love to be proven wrong on these counts... just given Saskatoon's track record, I'm not holding my breath.
(Capital Theatre, the old Iron Bridge, dozens of 100-yr old buildings turned to gravel parking lots, etc.)

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I'd really love to be proven wrong, but my gut tells me that this is yet another instance whereby Saskatoon's heritage will be sold out from under it. From what I understand: "Members of the Third Avenue United Church congregation say they're upset and shocked by their board's choice to sell the Saskatoon cathedral to a new non-profit organization led by engineer John Orr" ...per the Star-Phoenix

I used to live in Saskatoon, so I still follow events in this city, but admittedly, not on a daily basis. As such, I don't understand, if the members of Third Avenue United Church supported the TAC bid, then why did John Orr's bid win?

My gut tells me that Saskatoon's latent, but vocal and puritanical segment of the population is showing is ugly face once again in this zeal for a Bible College. [Yes, I realize the irony in my saying that when we're talking about a church]. But again, I come back to wondering why the TAC bid was turned down, especially after being given support by members of the Third Avenue United Church.
Church board secretary Philip Bray said Orr has a good reputation as a landlord. "I hope John Orr is a man of his word," he said. Like several other members who questioned Barnacle, (Helen) Few wonders if the congregation's right to use the cathedral and its basement rooms will be guaranteed and whether the church pews and pipe organ will remain. "The Third Avenue Centre made its business plan public to demonstrate its long-term viability, will Mr. Orr do the same?"

So... based on Saskatoon's sketchy past with regard to preserving the historical integrity in its buidlings, here are my predictions:
  1. Orr will not be a man of his word (the fact Philip Bray even mentions this suggests there is already doubt in some people's minds)
  2. the pews and pipe organs will disappear... as inevitably someone in Orr's organization will bring into question the structural integrity of these pieces of history, so they will need to be gotten rid of
  3. in replacement of the pews and pipe organs, the core of the building will be gutted and subdivided into bible-school classrooms, much in the same way that century-old-houses are gutted and subdivided into cheap rooming house apartments
  4. the only concerts I predict to be held at the Third Avenue United Church will be Christmas pageants, Easter remembrances, and the odd gospel music concert and prayer session held by some travelling televangelist from the southern USA.
Again - I'd love to be proven wrong on these counts... just given Saskatoon's track record, I'm not holding my breath.
(Capital Theatre, the old Iron Bridge, dozens of 100-yr old buildings turned to gravel parking lots, etc.)
You could very well be right on points 1, 2, and 4. I suspect he's definitively moved on from wanting to turn it into a new Western Christian College, and I think that anyone in their right mind wouldn't ever even thought that in the first place judging on the the building as is vs. school/institutional code (fire exits, etc).

However, from what I understand of heritage designation in the city (and someone please inform me if it's otherwise), it only counts for the building's exterior. So the pews and (I shudder to think) the pipe organ may be in jeopardy. Additionally, I worry that the fact that it is an incredible acoustic venue will count for little and it will be miced (for the gospel concerts and prayer sessions you've envisioned). This too would be a shame. The Canadian pianist Jan Lisiecki (whose show is the last it seems TAC will ever put on there) said the acoustics are better in the building than at the Salle Pleyel in Paris.

As for why the congregation supported TAC yet the Orr bid was chosen, that's the question the congregation seems to be demanding of its board. Peter Barnacle (head of the board) has been quoted in the paper in the last few days saying that the Orr bid was "significantly higher" and that it will "allow the congregation to flourish" for years to come. So I would say money is the reason. Particularly alarming considering this is a board that represents a religious body (which it has pissed off, apparently). Money is more important than the "flock", I guess.

If it sounds like I'm pissed off too, you're right. I've been to many concerts there in the last two years because of the good work TAC was doing bringing in great artists, both local and international. Upon my first time in the building, I fell in love with it (fairly easy to do). I am convinced thoroughly that TAC and its members have a vision for the building that is sympathetic to its history and its congregation, and was a perfect fit for the building, its users, and the city. Now it's lost for... well I hope we'll find out soon, but even when we do find out, it will be something less than what TAC was proposing, in my opinion. I think the congregation board made a terrible, terrible decision.
     
     
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If you look up the numbered company listed in the 650 CKOM story, you'll see that Orr's nonprofit was registered August 8th, and he's the only guy on the board of directors. The address for the non-profit is a real estate law firm in Regina.
     
     
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If it sounds like I'm pissed off too, you're right. I've been to many concerts there in the last two years because of the good work TAC was doing bringing in great artists, both local and international. Upon my first time in the building, I fell in love with it (fairly easy to do). I am convinced thoroughly that TAC and its members have a vision for the building that is sympathetic to its history and its congregation, and was a perfect fit for the building, its users, and the city. Now it's lost for... well I hope we'll find out soon, but even when we do find out, it will be something less than what TAC was proposing, in my opinion. I think the congregation board made a terrible, terrible decision.
Agreed with you on all points. I am angry about this.

I hope that, somehow, the deal with Orr falls through in the next month, and TAC is back on the table.
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Are you sure Kalin - my understanding is Aerogreen is south of 45th St. the development I'm referring to is right up by the hangers 2 blocks north of 45th
My guess is that it is an office building with a taxiway to the airside of the airport adjacent to the Shell/Westwind terminal. There had been an office proposal similar to this a few years ago that was very close to starting and was then shelved just prior to tender.
     
     
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I thought I saw a reworking of an exit ramp in concrete... where highway 16 approaches the SE corner of the city and exits onto Circle Drive northbound. Seems strangely low volume for such a test installation.
     
     
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I thought I saw a reworking of an exit ramp in concrete... where highway 16 approaches the SE corner of the city and exits onto Circle Drive northbound. Seems strangely low volume for such a test installation.
Low Volume??!! Have you seen the amount of truck traffic on that stretch of road?! That is the main Hwy 16 to Edmonton from Winnipeg. Haha that is plenty high volume enough.
     
     
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Ok so something I'm kind of fed up with in Saskatoon that hasn't been addressed here is naming conventions. As an example, Dalmeny road shouldn't have been renamed neault road. Although it is suitable to honour Maurice neault maybe even naming a major street after him, the roadway is already known as dalmeny road and this just messes with the historical consistency of the place (maybe this even goes all the way back to ave a being renamed idylwyld). Also is how street names always change, the worst offender being Melville/stonebridge/Gordon/Hartley, makes the whole place tough to navigate and no spatial consistency (also warman/wanuskewin, 51st/lenore).

The only reason I bring this up is because I've been thinking about the to be developed north downtown area, and I can't help but think what a shame it would be if the city went with calling it some contrived name rather than simply the City Yards (which it should be if there could be any sense of place and historical continuity). Even The Yards would sound awfully tacky.

Clarkboro could also be part of this if the city ever grows out enough (or warman/ martensville). It could make a good name for a regional muniipality or amalgamated mulicupalities north of Saskatoon. Also grasswood, or also south Saskatoon, could be applied to the acreage districts south of the city. In this way cory could be applied to those southwest of the city (valley road corridor) as well as any pontential new suburban development off of a hwy-7/valley road connector. Also the university heights sda could have been named Sutherland sda

However I am glad that Saskatoon never renamed its streets all to numbers which some cities did (ahem Calgary/Edmonton) which I find robs them of a kind of sense of place that other cities with named streets have.

In any event, I think the city should aim to preserve a historically consistent sense of place by the continued usage of place names.
     
     
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SIAST expansion needed to keep up with demand

SIAST Kelsey campus considers $225-million expansion in Saskatoon

Reported by Karin Yeske, NewsTalk 650 CKOM

Aug 28, 2013


SIAST Kelsey campus is considering a $225-million expansion to keep up with the demand for their programs and graduates.

With eight locations across the Saskatoon, the potential expansion would bring all of them together at a central hub.

“The facilities we do have, some of them need some renovation. We also need to upgrade the facilities to be more in line with today’s contemporary learning environment,” Larry Rosia, president and CEO of SIAST, said.

An expansion is one solution. The cost estimates and concept are in the preliminary stages, but Rosia said the most logical location would be their existing main campus location on Idylwyld Drive.

“There is room on there to construct a new building and a new facility. We’ve looked at that and there is space to do that. We would probably use that space if we were to stay on the Kelsey campus to create maybe a four-storey building to fit on the existing campus,” he said, adding the programming for the that new facility is still being worked through. It would include new contemporary learning spaces – flexible classrooms and student study areas.

He said SIAST is open to suggestions and not opposed to a new location altogether. A partnership or P3 would be an option to finance the expansion.

In the last five years, SIAST’s enrollment across the province has increased by 23 per cent. The demand is there across Saskatchewan but Rosia said there is an acute need at the Kelsey campus, which represents about 40 per cent of SIAST’s student population.

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Ok so something I'm kind of fed up with in Saskatoon that hasn't been addressed here is naming conventions. As an example, Dalmeny road shouldn't have been renamed neault road. Although it is suitable to honour Maurice neault maybe even naming a major street after him, the roadway is already known as dalmeny road and this just messes with the historical consistency of the place (maybe this even goes all the way back to ave a being renamed idylwyld). Also is how street names always change, the worst offender being Melville/stonebridge/Gordon/Hartley, makes the whole place tough to navigate and no spatial consistency (also warman/wanuskewin, 51st/lenore).

The only reason I bring this up is because I've been thinking about the to be developed north downtown area, and I can't help but think what a shame it would be if the city went with calling it some contrived name rather than simply the City Yards (which it should be if there could be any sense of place and historical continuity). Even The Yards would sound awfully tacky.

Clarkboro could also be part of this if the city ever grows out enough (or warman/ martensville). It could make a good name for a regional muniipality or amalgamated mulicupalities north of Saskatoon. Also grasswood, or also south Saskatoon, could be applied to the acreage districts south of the city. In this way cory could be applied to those southwest of the city (valley road corridor) as well as any pontential new suburban development off of a hwy-7/valley road connector. Also the university heights sda could have been named Sutherland sda

However I am glad that Saskatoon never renamed its streets all to numbers which some cities did (ahem Calgary/Edmonton) which I find robs them of a kind of sense of place that other cities with named streets have.

In any event, I think the city should aim to preserve a historically consistent sense of place by the continued usage of place names.
I couldn't agree more. The biggest naming travesty of all in Saskatoon is, in my opinion, Circle Drive. Naming the city's major freeway after a shape is a massive, missed opportunity to celebrate our sense of place and history. I feel strongly that Circle Drive should have been named something like "Whitecap Trail" or "John Lake Parkway" to honour the city's founding. The problem is that, at this point, if we did ditch the name "Circle Drive" in favour of a moniker that better reflects our sense of place, it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to change all the freeway signage, not to mention the costs that businesses along Circle Drive would have to absorb changing their letterhead, business cards, signage, etc.

Oh well.
     
     
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