Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by McC

sorry, the name does have 'something' to do with the surrounding area: the station is practically on top of the aqueduct where the eels were found during recent maintenance work, either earlier this year or last year (can't keep my years straight anymore)

Yes, a commonly know fact.

How about we rename Bayview "Roundhouse", St-Laurent station "Confederation" because the mall was built in 67, Lyon can be renamed "Streetcar" because Place de Ville is built on a former streetcar garage and Rideau can be "Ogilvy" or "Freiman's" to honour either the city's Scottish or Jewish heritage. While we are at it, lets rename uOttawa Station Guigues.

I'll tell you why we are not renaming all these station to "honour" people, events and history; because they are not geographically significant names! Just because a name has some sort of obscure relation to the site you can crack through a long thought process does not make it a good name. The damn station is on LeBreton Flats under the damn Booth Street Bridge. That provides two, and only two suitable names.

[McC]

I actually think Bayview-Roundhouse is an awesome name, and suggested it once upon a time, so mileage may vary.

[J.OT13]

No more Lebreton: Pimisi OK'ed as LRT station name

By Jon Willing, Ottawa Sun
Wednesday, August 21, 2013


Only one transit commissioner challenged Pimisi station Wednesday during a brief debate on naming LRT stops.

Innes Coun. Rainer Bloess pointed out the city is building a $2.1-billion LRT line to move passengers between locations and Pimisi, although culturally important to the Algonquins, says nothing about where passengers are in Ottawa.

"It really doesn't do anything for the Confederation Line," Bloess said before casting the only vote against that name.

All Transpo-recommended LRT station names received the commission's endorsement.

Pimisi will replace LeBreton as the name of the station near Albert and Booth streets.

OC Transpo accepted a recommendation from the Algonquins of Ontario to rename the station Pimisi after the city previously agreed to give the station an Algonquin label.

Pimisi means eel in the Algonquin language and the fish is considered sacred in the culture.

No one disagrees about the importance of the name, but Transpo's own naming guidelines stress the importance of geography and location.

"Our relationship with the Algonquins is very important," Transpo GM John Manconi said.

"We signalled to them we want to work with them. That area is sacred land to them and it's significant that we acknowledge that, and we think it's a very interesting and innovative way to assist in the excitement of this line. The Algonquins have done an outstanding job of meeting our timelines that were imposed on them if they wanted to provide a name that is well thought out and that is very important to them. I encourage the community to acknowledge that and recognize how important it is to them that they played an important role in our great city."

Manconi said the city might look at attaching a wayfinding name, like its doing at Rideau station with ByWard Market and Tremblay station with Via Rail.

However, Manconi said "we have to be very respectful of Pimisi and its name" and there is no immediate plan for a wayfinding moniker.

More attention has been placed on the name of Tremblay station, which is currently named Train station and is located at the Via Rail station.

Bloess also voted against the name of Tremblay station. So did Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney.

Gloucester-Southgate Coun. Diane Deans, chairwoman the commission, said the "intention is to not have a corporate name" on a station.

But the commission also approved uOttawa for a station name.

The reasoning for that name, Deans said, is "the University of Ottawa is a pretty significant destination for a lot of people and that station primarily services University of Ottawa, so that seemed to make sense."

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http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/08/21/no-more-lebreton-pimisi-oked-as-lrt-station-name


Well, that's one dumb decision out of the way. Now can taxpayers at lest vote on train designs or will we "honour" Prince George of Cambridge and let him choose which choo-choo train he'd rather play with?

[OTSkyline]

Pimissi is annoying but I guess I will have to live with it...

The train design however is brutally ugly and cannot be accepted. I agree with everyone that the top right design with the nose, maple leaf and mostly red train is the top choice. And sadly (but probably not surprisingly the ugliest design is the one that is being considered)...

[S-Man]

Well, that's one dumb decision out of the way. Now can taxpayers at lest vote on train designs or will we "honour" Prince George of Cambridge and let him choose which choo-choo train he'd rather play with?

[Harley613]

This is Ottawa. The average citizen would complain about the cost of extra paint were the trains of our 2.3 billion dollar LRT line painted in a unique and interesting fashion.

[S-Man]

The thing about paint jobs is that you'll never please all of the people. Paint is a compromise that leaves very few people loving it.

And, in unrelated manners:

THE MONARCHY!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by S-Man

The thing about paint jobs is that you'll never please all of the people. Paint is a compromise that leaves very few people loving it.

Why we need an online vote. The design with the most vote wins; first past the post.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Well, that's one dumb decision out of the way. Now can taxpayers at lest vote on train designs or will we "honour" Prince George of Cambridge and let him choose which choo-choo train he'd rather play with?

Yeah. I was reminded recently that Ontario does not follow the UN standard of waiting until a person is deceased before naming public stuff after them. (I saw there is a new street called Gerry Lalonde Drive in Orleans.)

So Prince George can have his station, arena or whatever...

Although I think Ottawa already has a Prince George St. in Overbrook or somewhere. Named for his great great uncle or something I guess.

[citizen j]

Pimisi, pemmican, whatever. (it's the choice of a new generation) I'll call it anything you like so long as I can actually catch a train there.

[lrt's friend]

The renaming of Lebreton Station was a foregone conclusion as soon as they mentioned working with the Algonquins. I am not thrilled with it as it has no relevance to the public for that location but sigh, who cares about the public? It is like we are creating revisionist history in order to be politically correct. As Dado said earlier, the Bayview name was a lot less historically significant and renaming that station would have been more palatable to those enjoy local history.

But if OC Transpo can't be bothered correcting mispronounced street names, what can one expect?

[gjhall]

PLEASE REMEMBER TO BREATHE, everyone.

If I may present my personal "reality check opinion" ... having lived in London where many many many stations were either named in commemoration of something or for less than significant parts of the areas they were in, I can't say that it hampered my ability to get around. With an LRT in place, most businesses, attractions, etc, will make a point of advertising and going by the station they are nearest to. Stations are important, and while wayfinding oriented names are useful for mobility, they have a way of defining an area and creating an identity as well. Pimisi does not currently have geographical meaning, but it will very quickly. Regardless, right now Lebreton, while historic, has no functional meaning either. It's not like there's a neighbourhood there! And besides, the station is there to serve a diverse area: Nanny Goat Hill, Chinatown, Little Italy, the War Museum, connections to Hull sector, and access to the river and eventually to the Chaudiere redevelopment area.

Can anyone, with a straight face, really say that the colour and pattern of exterior paint of any rail vehicle in another city you've visited or live in made a difference to your experience? Has anyone come back from Montreal raving about blue coloured Metros? of stainless steel subways in Toronto or New York? I whole heartedly reject that we were sold a bill of goods by earlier conceptual drawings of the LRT. They are, like the approved design, very basic. In fact, they were more basic! Here is one of the most used photos of the LRT proposal:


It is grey with red trim.

Here's another commonly used image. Grey. White and red trim. No writing, no symbols, no shapes other than square framed grey with white and red trim.


And here's what was chosen:

MY GOD, WHITE, with RED and GREY trim! and the City's transit logos and maple leaf branding on it!

It's perfectly fitting. We're building an LRT, it's a wonderful new piece of infrastructure, not the very soul of the nation.

[J.OT13]

That one was hands down my favourite design; clean, modern and looked more like a metro than LRT. And yes, I can honestly say than when I look at 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 looking paint jobs on rolling stock, it doesn't inspire me to take transit.

I will stop raving about "Pimisi" for a while but I sure hope they build an awesome destination type, skyline changing building on top of the station called "Pimisi Place" so that the name actually means something to non-aboriginals.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I think I like the top right one the most.

I agree completely.

[gjhall]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

And yes, I can honestly say than when I look at 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 looking paint jobs on rolling stock, it doesn't inspire me to take transit.

Wow. Just wow. I don't think paint is supposed to inspire transit usage, nor could it. Service, speed vs. other modes, cleanliness and safety, etc are a tad more likely to inspire.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by gjhall

Wow. Just wow. I don't think paint is supposed to inspire transit usage, nor could it. Service, speed vs. other modes, cleanliness and safety, etc are a tad more likely to inspire.

You can't honestly say that the look of the rolling stock has 0 influence on your perception of a transit system. The plain stainless steel of Toronto, New York or Chicago or the bland paint jobs and trains of Calgary and Edmonton, the inconstant designs of the Skytrain vehicles. You wouldn't mind at all if Ottawa just painted its trains white? Or maybe hot pink? Or how about if the design depicted heritage grass?

Anyway, back to my point; we will be stuck with the paint job for the next 20+ years and I for one want something that looks good. I don't want to see some half backed paint job chosen for its cheap maintenance cost. It should be put to a vote.

[waterloowarrior]

I'm not sure what it will be for Ottawa, but Toronto's repainting cycle for its new LRT vehicles is every 6 years

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

I'm not sure what it will be for Ottawa, but Toronto's repainting cycle for its new LRT vehicles is every 6 years

What, the streetcars? I know Ottawa never paints its buses, evident the 70s, 80s and 90s buses that have now been taken out of service (which is too bad because those were damn good vehicles compared to the pieces of junk New Flyers).

I remember riding these 5 years ago with original paint job;



I don't know if Montreal paints its trains, I don't think so although they are fully underground so the need might not be as obviously.



I wouldn't be surprised if Toronto had special funding from Queen's Park to repaint their streetcars.

[waterloowarrior]

http://www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/lrv/pdf/epr/04-ashbridges-bay-lrv-msf-epr-chapter-2.pdf

here's the info on Toronto
Vehicle Repainting
TTC needs the capability to repaint the new low floor cars at several of its new maintenance and storage
facilities. Touch-up painting is anticipated for approximately one-half of all vehicles which undergo body or
collision repairs. Complete vehicle repainting is expected to be a scheduled event under the new LRVs
appearance program. The anticipated vehicle repainting cycle is every six years. TTC estimates that all
paint prep and spray painting activities for touch-up jobs can be completed in one eight-hour shift.
Complete vehicle repaints will require approximately three full shifts to complete. Paint prep activities will
either be performed in an open body shop bay or inside the spray paint booth, depending on the final
operating plan for the shop

[Innsertnamehere]

it doesn't, trust me. Toronto receives exactly $0 from the province for TTC operations and maintenance.