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Old Posted Aug 5, 2013, 5:48 AM
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In the final competition between the two bidding groups for the Canada Line project, Bombardier's group (RAVXpress) lost most likely because of an engineering shortcoming: it was not able to come up with a proposal that did not have the section on the boulevard south of 49th in a trench without a cost overrun.

That's one of the things that SNC-Lavalin found it could address so that it won the bid: Lavalin wanted to do cut-and-cover south of 49th, and also made a bet that it'd be cheaper than a trench. The other thing was that it also figured out an innovative way to get a section between 2nd Ave and Broadway to be cut-and-cover, despite a conflicting sewer. If this was to be definitely not doable as cut-and-cover, then the majority of the stretch south of 2nd would still need to be bored tunnel due to the elevation. This helped keep costs down.

Another reason that SNC Lavalin-Serco may have won was because it was them who "offered a discount", in terms of up-front public sector funding. As part of their proposal, SNC-Lavalin agreed to assume significant risks that would otherwise be borne by the public sector; this included construction cost overruns, tunnelling risks, on-time delivery, and operating performance. This wasn't entirely out of generousity; it was also partly made possible by the use of more cut-and-cover tunnelling, which is less risky than bored tunnel. This "discount" is the '$700 million contribution' you may have heard about, which TransLink is repaying throughout the Canada Line's operating life-cycle. It's the reason why it appears to cost $100 million a year to operate the Canada Line on TransLink reports.

(To this I can provide several sources, including Susan Heyes Inc. (Hazel & Co.) v. TransLink documents, and the BAFO document on the TransLink doc library).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 5, 2013, 10:25 AM
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At this point it seems... well... pointless to talk about something that is now going to be there for the next 50 to 100 years.

Having said that, my biased fantasy preference would have been to see design, construction and operation of the Canada Line bidded on, but not the actual vehicles that would be run, which could instead be a separate choice or requirement between one or two LIM-specific suppliers. (aka the Evergreen Line model)

I also kind of wish that, with the knowledge we now have of certain "problem segments" along the various portions of the rapid transit routes, that they be remedied or rebuilt completely rather than having to force vehicles to slow down. Of course, that raises a billion issues regarding logisitics, construction costs and cost effectiveness, and it'll probably never happen until a wholesale rebuild program that may happen after 100 or so years of continuous operation.

Anyway, let's move on from this, shall we?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 4:46 AM
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TransLink has issued an RFP for new buses.

45 to 180 units, 40' CNG

Pricing on Diesel option also requested.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 5:15 AM
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Will these buses be for replacing the older low foor buses or for expansion of service or both?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 5:36 AM
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It's a shame they weren't going with more articulated buses. Interestingly, translink is making A/C on the bus a requirement.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 5:42 AM
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It's a shame they weren't going with more articulated buses. Interestingly, translink is making A/C on the bus a requirement.
nice!

The air conditioning system shall maintain the passenger compartment temperature within a
range of 18°C to 27°C (64ºF to 80ºF) while limiting the relative humidity to 50% or less.
The system shall maintain these conditions while subjected to an outside ambient
temperature of up to 35°C (95ºF). Desired operating temperatures shall be achieved in less
than 20 minutes after engine start-up.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 7:59 AM
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It's a shame they weren't going with more articulated buses. Interestingly, translink is making A/C on the bus a requirement.
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Will these buses be for replacing the older low foor buses or for expansion of service or both?
Frameless Windows and A/C are seemingly the new standard, as implemented on the XD40 and XDE60 recently purchased.

TransLink's oldest 40' series of buses are 3-4 years older than their oldest articulated series, so based on lifecycle it makes sense to replace those. Given they also just bought some 60' to replace 40' for a capacity increase. The bus purchase after this will probably be more 60' articulated.

The order for 180 40' buses roughly matches the ~180 40' buses that will be ending service life in the next 4 years (7101-7297) so it's most likely a direct replacement versus service expansion.
     
     
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Driving along 104th today and this is the first time I noticed new bus stop signs listing the 96B Line. So exciting!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2013, 7:23 AM
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Where is that first picture from?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2013, 7:34 AM
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its Seattle's LRT. I really don't see the problem, the end of any guideway never really looks good.

Just drape a few vines or advertisements over the Canada Line one and it would look 100 times better.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2013, 8:11 AM
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The redevelopment of the Scotiabank site includes a public art piece that will cover the end of the guideway.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2013, 8:34 AM
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Driving along 104th today and this is the first time I noticed new bus stop signs listing the 96B Line. So exciting!
apparently it opens September 2, 2013! so just a few more weeks to go
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2013, 12:39 PM
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apparently it opens September 2, 2013! so just a few more weeks to go
I believe the thumbs down is because of that silly single guideway thing.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2013, 3:07 AM
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Bus-to-SkyTrain transfers costly without smart card
By Jeff Nagel - Surrey North Delta Leader
Published: August 14, 2013 5:00 PM
Updated: August 14, 2013 5:08 PM

Metro Vancouver bus passengers who now pay with cash and use a paper transfer to later board SkyTrain will find themselves paying double if they don't adopt the Compass card after the new payment system takes effect in 2014.

TransLink says fare boxes on buses won't be able to issue paper tickets to cash-paying passengers that are compatible with the SkyTrain faregates. Passengers who try to use them will be forced to pay again at a SkyTrain station.

Spokesman Derek Zabel predicts the vast majority of riders will use the Compass card and have no problem but concedes more public education will be needed.

A compatible system on buses would have cost an extra $25 million.

"It wasn't a cost-effective solution," he said.

Bus-to-bus paper transfers will still work, as will SkyTrain-to-bus transfers – it's only bus-to-SkyTrain transfers where tickets will be incompatible.

An estimated 6,000 people a day use bus-to-SkyTrain paper transfers after paying cash.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/219684161.html
     
     
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Good. Get a compass card and stop paying by loose change. I think it idiotic to spend $25 million extra to accommodate a lazy portion of our population.
     
     
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Good. Get a compass card and stop paying by loose change. I think it idiotic to spend $25 million extra to accommodate a lazy portion of our population.
If it's true that 6000 passengers a day use cash then that works out to over $4,000 per passenger to accommodate their needs.

It will actually be less because it's not going to be exactly the same 6,000 passengers every day and therefore more people will be affected, but that gives you an idea of the order of magnitude of the issue.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2013, 4:32 AM
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It's also the 'off the gird' / 'don't track me' crowd.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2013, 5:18 AM
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It's also the 'off the gird' / 'don't track me' crowd.
Privacy surcharge, sounds great!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2013, 5:34 AM
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There's no obligation to register a Compass card so the idiotic privacy crusaders have no reason to pitch a fit with this.
     
     
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