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Old Posted Aug 3, 2013, 7:44 AM
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From today. I didn't have time to take more, but the area looks great. Hopefully someone with a nice camera will go down for some better shots soon.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 12:16 PM
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455 Industrial Ave will be the new location of United We Can ....... wonderfullllllllllllllll or not

story >> http://www.straight.com/news/407511/downtown-eastside-recycling-depot-relocate

plans >> http://www.olympicprojects.com/downloads...tre/PS20130542%20-%20Site%20Drawings.pdf

location >> http://www.straight.com/news/407511/downtown-eastside-recycling-depot-relocate


I sure hope they ummmm you know finish/extend the sidewalk in that area ..... something that should have been done already years ago .... but hey ... we got bike lanes

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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 1:54 PM
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Well, it can't get much worse than it is today. Although if the hobos invade Olympic Village that will piss off a lot of people.

Hopefully it will be designed with the volume of people and cans in mind.

And maybe some kind of odour abatement?
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 2:50 PM
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There is already a bottle depot on something like 6th and Manitoba been there for years and I don't think it's negatively affected the area that much. I think the united we can depot will be fine. I think the binners all hangout in front of the current one because its right on Hastings.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 3:50 PM
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Just don't have any readily accessible aluminum cans and you will be safe from the hobos.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 4:28 PM
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Is it a crime technically to dumpsterdive and 'steal' garbage?
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 5:08 PM
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Just don't have any readily accessible aluminum cans and you will be safe from the hobos.
I don't get why people would be so derogatory about binners. They effectively keep our taxes down because they provide a service that would cost us money if the city or a commercial sevice was to be involved. Yes, some of them leave a bit of a mess, but don't have a downer on them just because they're doing a job you wouldn't.

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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 5:22 PM
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It is a crime to be in possession of stolen property however ie the Safeway/home depot shipping carts

Haha. A bit of a mess? It's disgusting... And I can't see them saving tax payers that much money
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2013, 10:51 PM
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It is a crime to be in possession of stolen property however ie the Safeway/home depot shipping carts

Haha. A bit of a mess? It's disgusting... And I can't see them saving tax payers that much money
I disagree, and many studies will side with me:

- Link to: a Vancouver organisation that provides binners with custom-built (i.e., not from a supermarket) cart. Quote: "The public sees all kinds of behaviours on the streets," Lyotier said in an interview outside of United We Can. "People don't know [binners], so they feel a little unsettled about who is doing what and why. But if binners are more recognizable as legitimate workers in our society who are out there doing real work that needs to be done, I think it gives the public a kind of comfort level. In the end, it will be an advantage to binners."
(and there are all sorts of stories about organisations building carts for binners, and how that helps to affect their behaviour).

- Link to Wikipedia article on binners. Quote: "By reusing resources destined for the landfill, dumpster diving becomes an environmentalist endeavor (and is thus practiced by many pro-green communities). The wastefulness of consumer society and throw-away culture compels some individuals to rescue usable items (for example, computers) from destruction and divert them to those who can make use of the item in question."

All in all, we as a society often look down our noses at the poor and unfortunate, and forget that, but for the grace of God, we could quite easily be "them" - lose your job; have an expensive medical condition that isn't covered by your insurance; get caught up in a legal or accounting mess; and these are the stories of many binners who were once normal members of society. I find it hard myself when I see people going through my bins, but hey if they're healthy enough and hard-working enough to try and make a very humble living for themselves, rather than solely waiting for the state to give them everything (and a cut of my taxes), who am I to complain about putting some old newspapers back in my bin once a week when I leave it out? Instead I should thank my lucky stars that I don't have to do their job.


Oh, and another thought: How much do you think it would cost if, say, the City of Vancouver was to have an initiative start next week: They hire, say, 5,000 people who go around the city in city uniforms, looking for glass & aluminium bottles that were erroneously thrown away, to save them from going into the garbage system, then to give them carrying equipment and transportation to take their finds to a recycling depot...multiple times a day, 7 days a week, rain or shine? Yes, it would be in the Tens of Millions. Just for this saving alone and our landfill thanks us for the extra capacity these people free up.

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Old Posted Aug 9, 2013, 12:18 AM
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I would love it if it were done professionally / in an organized, safe, clean fashion.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2013, 4:40 PM
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I just received an email from Craft Beer Market announcing that they will be hosting a hiring fair on August 24 & September 7. Their email still says they are planning for a Summer opening.

At least the enclosed "patio" is looking like it should be ready for the Fall rain.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2013, 6:05 PM
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- Link to Wikipedia article on binners. Quote: "By reusing resources destined for the landfill, dumpster diving becomes an environmentalist endeavor (and is thus practiced by many pro-green communities). The wastefulness of consumer society and throw-away culture compels some individuals to rescue usable items (for example, computers) from destruction and divert them to those who can make use of the item in question."
You know what burns me more than the social ills that degrade anyone to the point of digging through trash anywhere on the planet? (Yes, I am a bleeding heart.) The thought that anyone would try to co-opt those poor souls, distorting their struggle to survive into some sort of anti-capitalist green crusade. That's nothing short of sickening.

I'm not talking about those great little operations that take in people's old beater computers (can't recall the operation just east of the DTES, but they're great). I'm talking about the poorest fringe of society. Green crusaders? Please. These people are trying to keep from starving to death.

That anyone would try to get the equivalent of a photo-op with them, distorting their struggle into a heroic endeavour to save the planet... it's no wonder that their struggle will aways be with us, because it would seem that others care more for the planet than the immediate needs of their fellow man or woman.

OK. Rant off. Just had to get that off my chest.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2013, 8:01 PM
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not so sure how it saves taxpayers money when it is in fact a secondary welfare system. We all pay deposits on those cans and bottles plus now a recycling fee which most times is higher than the deposit. IIRC, buy a glass bottle at whole foods, the deposit is 5 cents, the recycling fee is 12 cents.

I think this whole system needs to be re-evaluated. Leave it up to the government to recycle aluminum through normal trash pickup and not have so many separate entities each taking their own cut in the process. In the end it's just one very large "make work" project. I do also believe that in reality aluminum is the only thing worth recycling because it has to be mined where the energy required to recycle glass/paper generally far supersedes the benefits over making new because of hauling, processing, melting, washing, processing etc etc etc. Until every step of the process is done using green, renewable energy sources it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I am all for the reduction of waste and being more environmentally responsible, but like many green causes the big picture not always taken into account.

Sorry that was OT!

Excited for the opening of Craft, that will really add to the neighborhood and give Tap and Barrel a run for their money.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2013, 8:10 PM
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WRT to deposits on plastics, I rarely see plastic bottle litter as the deposit mechanism encorages ppl to keep/collect the bottle. ie, instead of paying workers to collect more plastic bottle litter, the 'invisible hand' does it.

the deposit fee tha'ts not refundable allows this system to run without further governement funds. the people who buy bottled/canned drinks pays for recycling programs.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2013, 8:59 PM
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I'm not talking about those great little operations that take in people's old beater computers (can't recall the operation just east of the DTES, but they're great).
They're called Free Geek and they are great. http://www.freegeekvancouver.org/

I brought them my old (once high-end) CRT monitor and printer/scanner combo, both of which were perfectly functional, but there was no way I was bringing them across the country when I moved. I also brought by some old components (dead CD-R drive, extra cables, etc.), some of which they kept and others they recycled. The volunteer staff were all very nice and diligently working away at stations where they were tearing down/building up/testing computers and components. The store has some ridiculously good deals and if you just want a functional computer and are tight on money it's the place to go. I was happy to get rid of my stuff by a means other than the dumpster and I liked knowing that it was either going to be recycled properly or, perhaps, find a new home.
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They should teach the binners to cut copper cables to rake in the real money.
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They should teach the binners to cut copper cables to rake in the real money.
Uh, yeah
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They should teach the binners to cut copper cables to rake in the real money.
But make sure the power is off first ....
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2013, 3:13 AM
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Off topic.. 455 Industrial isn't in the Olympic Village.
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2013, 8:31 AM
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Off topic.. 455 Industrial isn't in the Olympic Village.
its in SE False Creek no?

I mean its on land that was RECLAIMED from the false creek marshes .......... false creek enough?
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