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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 12:44 PM
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OTTAWA — The Ottawa Farmers’ Market has grown in leaps and bounds since it was exiled to a park across from Carleton University to make way for the redevelopment at Lansdowne, so much so that its operators are a little anxious about returning.

“Brewer Park’s been incredible for us,” said Robin Turner, the market’s president. “We moved from a giant parking lot beside an awesome heritage building to a beautiful park with all sorts of infrastructure for families and kids. … I think the new location at the Aberdeen Pavilion will be great as well, but when we move back there, we have to make sure that people are getting the same value out of the trip.”

The market opened on asphalt at Lansdowne in 2006, but has now spent 1½ years in temporary quarters at Brewer Park in Old Ottawa South. With playing fields, a big splash pad and playgrounds, Brewer Park has been a much better draw for families, Turner said, who can make a day of it in a way they couldn’t at Lansdowne. The parents shop, the kids run around, they have a picnic, parents run into friends and admire each other’s purchases and go back to pick another thing or two from the market’s vendors.

The renovated Lansdowne Park is to have a heritage orchard, a splash pad of its own and plenty of room to roam by summer 2015, but until it’s done and the farmers have moved into their new, purpose-built outdoor space, they won’t know for sure that it works as well as Brewer Park does, Turner said.

“In moving back there, we’re going to have to make sure that it recognizes all the things that make a farmers’ market great,” he said. The market organization has had good discussions with the city and with landscape architects Phillips Farevaag Smallenberg, the Vancouver firm that’s designing the public spaces at Lansdowne, he said; Turner’s optimistic it will be OK, but they won’t know it is until everything is done.

Another major worry is parking, which is free at Brewer Park under a deal with Carleton and which was free on the acres of pavement at the old Lansdowne.

“In that case, it was the city that was in charge of the parking. Now it’s going to be the developers,” Turner said, with an 1,100-space underground lot controlled by the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, the city’s partners in the renovation of the fairground. The market organization hasn’t yet talked with OSEG about the possibilities, but Turner said he’s anxious that market shoppers not have to pay $12 or something just to stow their cars.

“There’s a lot of people, there’s a lot of really dedicated, devoted customers who come to the market. And they’re people with taste and I think they’re people who’d be good to have in any shopping development,” Turner said. “If they have no interest in that, then it could be really challenging.”

OSEG does have an interest in that, said its chief executive Bernie Ashe through a spokesman. With the property still a construction site for many months to come, OSEG doesn’t have a parking-validation system set up but he is very open to working one out once the memorandum of understanding between the farmers’ market and the city turns into a real contract.

Formal negotiations between the market and the city are to resume in November, once the market season is over, Turner said, and he expects details like the rent the market will pay will be worked out. “For us, everything is pretty groovy. It’s all coming around quite well.”

He’s even hopeful that the city will let the market use the historic Aberdeen Pavilion for markets on Sundays all through the winter. Turner owns Roots and Shoots Farm, a small organic operation near Greely, and recently installed greenhouses not for the usual purpose of forcing hothouse crops like tomatoes to grow earlier in the year, but to grow greens like kale and spinach all through the winter.

As it is, winter keeps customers from making it a permanent habit to buy directly from local farmers, Turner said. “It really creates a disconnect and it makes our shoppers feel like it’s great to shop local but it’s not where you get your real food.” Winter sales of local produce could change that.

In the long run, the market’s success at a renovated Lansdowne will depend on the city’s making a determined effort to preserve it, Turner said: just like produce vendors in the ByWard Market, his members can’t pay the rent of a permanent retail store selling electronics or high-end fashions.

“It has to be recognized that we are sharing space with some very, very high-value commercial real estate. In that case, you have to be super-intentional about creating something that values the citizenry and values the public space and values the visitor, whether or not you have the money to go into the jewelry store down the street,” he said.
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 12:47 PM
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A sensory torture chamber. Good Lord.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa...od+Avenue+living+hell/8750443/story.html

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OTTAWA — Holmwood Avenue resident Dennis Brock says he and his neighbours are experiencing a sensory torture chamber as near constant construction across the street at Lansdowne Park enters a second year of an estimated four-year project.

“It’s horrible, but there’s not much we can do. It’s noisy, it’s dusty, it’s intrusive. It’s your worst nightmare in terms of living in a neighbourhood,” said Brock, who has lived on Holmwood with his wife, Darlene, for 10 years,

About 30 houses are located a street-width away from Lansdowne Park on the stretch of Holmwood east of Bank Street. An approximately three-metre construction hoarding covered in paintings and graffiti has been the only barrier for residents facing the construction site since work began in early June last year.

The hoarding provides no relief for Holmwood residents from a “living hell” of unrelenting noise, dust, vibrations and smells, said Brock’s neighbour, Robert Martin. He said he and his partner, Danica Robertson, have been notifying Marco Manconi, the City if Ottawa’s manager, design and construction — Lansdowne, about work continuing outside of bylaw-approved hours once or twice a week for six or eight months, but receive only “patronizing, paternalistic pats on the head” in response.

“There are many cases where what the city says and what the contractor does are completely divergent and, it seems at times, the contractors are going ahead with what they need to regardless of noise bylaws,” said Martin.

In March, an amendment to the bylaw that deals with the rezoning of Lansdowne Park allowed contractors to continue work on concrete-related activities until 1 a.m. during the week until the project is complete. A limited amount of 24-hour continuous concrete pours during the week were also exempted, left to the discretion of the general manager of infrastructure services Wayne Newell. All other work must be done during regular construction hours, 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. If bylaw hours are not obeyed, contractors could face a daily fine of up to $10,000.

Martin said contractors are using the bylaw exemption to deviate from construction hours. The noise, he said, is worse before 7 a.m. than at night, with power tools, the beeping of reversing trucks and leaf blowers having started as early as 5 a.m. In an email response after Martin complained about noise beginning at 6:10 a.m. in January, Manconi admitted the contractors had crews and equipment starting early on the parking garage construction but said he had “asked that all crews respect the noise bylaws and not start work before 7 a.m. I will continue to monitor the compliance to the bylaw requirements in order to reduce the disruption to neighbours.”

In an email to the Citizen, Manconi said Bylaw and Regulatory Services has received four complaints related to alleged construction noise at Lansdowne Park since January. One of the complaints was lodged outside service hours; the contractor was notified and ceased activity immediately, Manconi said.

The city, he said, is trying to improve construction activity and minimize disruption by bringing in quieter equipment, placing louder equipment away from residential areas, restricting deliveries outside of normal construction hours and staging work to reduce truck traffic.

“The City project team is working closely with the contractor on the issue of disruptions to residents at Lansdowne. The City is committed to being a good construction neighbour. Full time city staff works on-location every day to ensure construction is being actively monitored and that communication with the local community remains open, constant and predictable,” Manconi wrote.

Despite the city’s assurances, Martin said the noise continues. Notifications about upcoming work aren’t much better, he said; a flyer from the city telling residents about the first of three continuous concrete pours on April 19 vaguely read, “Set up and concrete pouring activities will begin in the early morning hours on Friday with work continuing throughout the day and wrapping up at approximately 11:30 p.m. that night.”

Martin said he was surprised to be woken up by the pour at 2 a.m., only to return from work that evening to an empty site.

“We were woken up at two in the morning and the contractor was done by 3 p.m. so it begs the question why couldn’t they have just started at regular work hours and worked until nine or 10 at night? It just goes on and on. It’s one of those don’t ask for permission, ask for forgiveness situations,” said Martin.

Capital Ward Coun. David Chernushenko, who cast the lone vote against the bylaw exemption in solidarity with the Glebe’s residents, said he has received complaints about noise since the construction began, and is pushing managers from the city and contractors to take steps to minimize the noise and respect the bylaws. Chernushenko said he is not aware of work being done after bylaw hours but wouldn’t contradict a report from someone who observed it.

“If there’s any sense that the main contractor or a subcontractor is repeatedly doing that and seems to be flouting the bylaw then I would certainly want to know and I would want the city to be fining them.”

Whether or not the city is listening, said a third Holmwood Avenue resident, Larry Gauthier, nothing is changing. Gauthier said people on the street have resigned themselves to the development, but a lack of response to ongoing complaints about the invasive, in-your-face construction is making residents feel invisible.

“We do have a right to some sort of decent quality of life and we can’t have this for up to four years. I just don’t see the fairness there. I know life is full of compromises, but this is way beyond it.”
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These folks are becoming a laughing stock.

Do they think this is the only construction under way in this city?
How bout the families living near the multi year CSEC project on Blair road (4+years of construction)?
Or the folks living next to the CHUM hospital in Montreal (8+ years of construction)
Or those living next to the Union Station ReDev in Toronto (also multi year)
Or near the Eglinton Crosstown Subway Project (10+ years)

Or anyone living on Preston street or in Westboro for the last 12 years???

Idiots.
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A sensory torture chamber. Good Lord.
We should use that term for when the crowd gets loud to disrupt the opposing teams offensive signals....
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2013, 1:10 PM
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The astounding level of construction ignorance with which these people comment on activities they know nothing about blows me away.

If they had started the pour at 9am, they would have poured through the hottest part of the day, potentially run into any number of unknown problems, and likely been forced to pour well into the night. To which I'm certain the holmwoodians would whine again.

Proactive > Reactive.

Pouring concrete isn't even that loud!!
Try spending 6 months next to a piling rig or a tunnel boring muck shaft...

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Despite the city’s assurances, Martin said the noise continues. Notifications about upcoming work aren’t much better, he said; a flyer from the city telling residents about the first of three continuous concrete pours on April 19 vaguely read, “Set up and concrete pouring activities will begin in the early morning hours on Friday with work continuing throughout the day and wrapping up at approximately 11:30 p.m. that night.”

Martin said he was surprised to be woken up by the pour at 2 a.m., only to return from work that evening to an empty site.

“We were woken up at two in the morning and the contractor was done by 3 p.m. so it begs the question why couldn’t they have just started at regular work hours and worked until nine or 10 at night? It just goes on and on. It’s one of those don’t ask for permission, ask for forgiveness situations,” said Martin.
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Imagine that.
The Farmer's Market is doing what many people refuse to do, make the best of a situation that wasn't their decision. They get bumped from Lansdowne temporarily, something many were fighting tooth and nail to prevent, and they find that Brewer is a good location for them. As they said, there is a lot of space around them for people to hang around, they get good visibility off of Bronson, and things have been very positive for them in the area. I can understand why they may be a little nervous about moving back when things are ready for them again at Lansdowne (change is hard), but it sounds like they are actually talking with the landscape architects to make it work for them. Rather than trying to dictate their terms and play it "My way or the highway."

If only we could get more people in this city to learn from their example. Change does happen, but it doesn't have to be negative if you involve yourself constructively.
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I've had construction in my area for several years now, AND we're close to the highway. It's hardly what I'd call a sensory torture chamber.
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We already had the 6 months of pile driving.

Now it's the constant banging of metal building construction. And they often go late, until 7 or 8 in the evening. So, a lovely relaxing noise to wind down with.

I think more than anything, if it didn't feel as though every bang and beep and crash wasn't another slap in the face, but rather that they were building something the community had a say in, and was looking forward to, people would be much more sanguine about bearing up to several years of construction disruption.

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Pouring concrete isn't even that loud!!
Try spending 6 months next to a piling rig or a tunnel boring muck shaft...
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It must be nice to have the landscape architects listen to you. Unfortunately, when people in the community have tried to engage the city and landscape architects on having community involvement in the design of the children's playground at Lansdowne, there is a wall of silence, or patronizing reassurances that broad consultation was done.

I've thought this would be a good way to consructively engage, given the material reality of Lansdowne. That it would be one little olive branch they could offer to try to begin to heal the hard feelings in the community.

But it seems even that is too much to ask. They claim their scheme is about knitting Lansdowne into the surrounding community. But everything they do seems designed to set Lansdowne apart, physically and emotionally, from the surrounding community.

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The Farmer's Market is doing what many people refuse to do, make the best of a situation that wasn't their decision. They get bumped from Lansdowne temporarily, something many were fighting tooth and nail to prevent, and they find that Brewer is a good location for them. As they said, there is a lot of space around them for people to hang around, they get good visibility off of Bronson, and things have been very positive for them in the area. I can understand why they may be a little nervous about moving back when things are ready for them again at Lansdowne (change is hard), but it sounds like they are actually talking with the landscape architects to make it work for them. Rather than trying to dictate their terms and play it "My way or the highway."

If only we could get more people in this city to learn from their example. Change does happen, but it doesn't have to be negative if you involve yourself constructively.
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They claim their scheme is about knitting Lansdowne into the surrounding community. But everything they do seems designed to set Lansdowne apart, physically and emotionally, from the surrounding community.
Wasn't it the surrounding community that wanted the community park with baseball diamonds to be separate from Lansdowne while the City wanted to integrate it into the project? Now they're getting what they asked for. Lansdowne is separated from the community.
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A sensory torture chamber. Good Lord.
Yes, it's EXACTLY like the Taliban, or the CIA...

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We already had the 6 months of pile driving.

Now it's the constant banging of metal building construction. And they often go late, until 7 or 8 in the evening. So, a lovely relaxing noise to wind down with.

I think more than anything, if it didn't feel as though every bang and beep and crash wasn't another slap in the face, but rather that they were building something the community had a say in, and was looking forward to, people would be much more sanguine about bearing up to several years of construction disruption.
I had suspected the Citizen article was you rolling out the next phase of your communications plan.

Now we have confirmation!
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We already had the 6 months of pile driving.

Now it's the constant banging of metal building construction. And they often go late, until 7 or 8 in the evening. So, a lovely relaxing noise to wind down with.

I think more than anything, if it didn't feel as though every bang and beep and crash wasn't another slap in the face, but rather that they were building something the community had a say in, and was looking forward to, people would be much more sanguine about bearing up to several years of construction disruption.
No one disputes that construction is unpleasant.
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But it seems even that is too much to ask. They claim their scheme is about knitting Lansdowne into the surrounding community. But everything they do seems designed to set Lansdowne apart, physically and emotionally, from the surrounding community.
Hey, you should be pleased. You and and some of your neighbors worked very hard to achieve that status.
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Hey, you should be pleased. You and and some of your neighbors worked very hard to achieve that status.
Yeah! Yeah! I second that!!!

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To clarify, the community sought to protect the existing recreational park from being folded into OSMUG's Lansdowne scheme. When it became clear that several of the urban park proposals sought to destroy the remaining bit of Sylvia Holden Park, in service of a tabula rasa upon which the designers' fanciful plans could be inscribed, several community members mobilized to seek guarantees from Council that the park would not be touched.

Nonetheless, when I look at the final design of Lansdowne, despite OSMUG's claims to the contrary, I still see a fundamentally homogenous, suburban-style development, with nothing to do with the surrounding community. Just a carpet-bagging power centre, dressed up in pretty clothes, leeching off the success of past Glebe residents in fighting previous grand schemes to drive expessways through their community, or to annex everything from Holmwood up to Fifth Ave to enlarge the Ex grounds, thereby preserving the historic character that has made the Glebe such a distinctive, desirable place to live.

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Wasn't it the surrounding community that wanted the community park with baseball diamonds to be separate from Lansdowne while the City wanted to integrate it into the project? Now they're getting what they asked for. Lansdowne is separated from the community.

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I cannot take credit for it. More likely a combination of the mid-summer doldrums in the newsroom, and some Citizen or CBC reporter (forget who had the story first) passing by seeing and hearing what a state Lansdowne and its surroundings are in, thinking they could fill a bit of news space.

Unfortunately, neither I, nor anyone else on the Lansdowne critics' side had anything like the PR resources that OSMUG and the City were able to marshal to promote their scheme. I suppose now that it's all said and done, it's safe again to let the people most directly harmed by Lansdowne to speak their little pieces.

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I had suspected the Citizen article was you rolling out the next phase of your communications plan.

Now we have confirmation!
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No, no dispute. Merely observing neighbouring residents to Lansdowne have had to, and are still, and will for many more months have to persevere.

And that it would be much easier if we felt the process had been fair, and the outcome desirable. But it wasn't, and it won't be. And although people will of course shop there, I think OSMUG underestimates the degree of animosity that still exists in Lansdowne's most immediate market.

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No one disputes that construction is unpleasant.
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Nonetheless, when I look at the final design of Lansdowne, despite OSMUG's claims to the contrary, I still see a fundamentally homogenous, suburban-style development, with nothing to do with the surrounding community.
You're complaining about a children's playground. The city held a design competition for the entire front lawn portion well after it had decided to go with the OSEG plan which, at the time, included little more than a grass field. The city didn't have to do that, and tack on another $20-something million, just to be crapped on further.

You don't want any sort of olive branch extended. You'll play the victim no matter what the city does and no matter how many judges confirm that it was within its rights to proceed as it did.
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I cannot take credit for it. More likely a combination of the mid-summer doldrums in the newsroom, and some Citizen or CBC reporter (forget who had the story first) passing by seeing and hearing what a state Lansdowne and its surroundings are in, thinking they could fill a bit of news space.

Unfortunately, neither I, nor anyone else on the Lansdowne critics' side had anything like the PR resources that OSMUG and the City were able to marshal to promote their scheme. I suppose now that it's all said and done, it's safe again to let the people most directly harmed by Lansdowne to speak their little pieces.

"Harmed"...Lol...
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