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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 8:26 PM
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You are such a punkass I guess I shouldn't be surprised by what you post but this is bad even for you. WTF are you talking about?

Let me connect the dots for you, moron: Hilary is a virulent left-winger. Left-wingers all oppose Nova Center. Hilary produces a trumped-up story blaming the Nova Center construction for some old buildings doing what comes naturally to them. Other left-wing sources pick up the story. That is not journalism. That is the kind of mud-slinging you do. I can see why you like her.
You misunderstand.

I did not mean to convey that I am a Hilary Beaumont fan. You do have to admit, though, that even though you may completely dismiss her attempts at journalism by stereotyping her, her attempts at journalism go far beyond your nonsensical rants as you exaggerate and invent fictional details about historical redevelopments, as you describe about how the library's glass appears to be a specific type of fecal matter, as you express views lumping *all* left-wingers together, as you concurrently make accusations of trolling while engaged in it yourself.

Calm your ass down.
Hilary hasn't the need to beg for an audience, at least that badly.

(And if it means that much to you: yes, I have read a relatively small volume of Hilary's work, and she has made some good points. This isn't to say I couldn't disagree with a fraction of them.)
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 9:28 PM
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I think the case can be made that AllNS has its own bias. But anyway, the Beaumont story didn't concluded that the damage was structural. It left the matter an open question—the damage to date appears to be cosmetic, but more investigation is needed, and even a small crack in a building's foundation can become serious over time.

Too bad it included yet another Pacey quote. Please, journalists, go to someone else to talk about this stuff.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 10:28 PM
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Key points in this article:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/...ack-at-province-house-linked-to-blasting

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AMG Claims, a local independent adjustment company, and provincial engineers have taken videos, photos and notes of damage in the buildings. According to their findings, the cracks are superficial and don’t affect the structural integrity of the buildings.
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On Jan. 9, K&M Inspection Consultants Ltd. of Halifax sent out notification of blasting at the Nova Centre site. But the province did not conduct any pre-blast surveys, Menchenton said.
Heck yes, it's quite possible that blasting has caused some cracks in the old buildings - shock travels through bedrock very well thank you.

However, no pre-blast surveys (which surprises me as the City of Dartmouth used to survey residents' basements prior to construction many years ago - I thought it would be standard practice), and superficial damage make this a non-story to me.

Carry on...
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 11:08 PM
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Is blasting still going on?

I'm not skeptical of damage, but at the same time, this is another sabotage attempt regardless.

It will be built, its not a waste of taxpayer dollars, and for christ's sake... give up opponents. You don't know what you are talking about and you don't really contribute to the tax base in the first place!!!
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 11:11 PM
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I think the case can be made that AllNS has its own bias. But anyway, the Beaumont story didn't concluded that the damage was structural. It left the matter an open question—the damage to date appears to be cosmetic, but more investigation is needed, and even a small crack in a building's foundation can become serious over time.

Too bad it included yet another Pacey quote. Please, journalists, go to someone else to talk about this stuff.
That's the sad part. This guy deserves no air time. What is Pacey's exact background? Is he from Halifax?
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 11:25 PM
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That's the sad part. This guy deserves no air time. What is Pacey's exact background? Is he from Halifax?
Oh yeah. To be fair, he and the Heritage Trust did a lot of good work in the past (key to preserving the Historic Properties, etc.) He just seems to have become sort of the uber-NIMBY in recent years.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 11:27 PM
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According to AllNS, a spokesperson for the government has said that they do notice cracks, however it is unclear whether this is because of the blasting or just because the building is old. He did specifically note however that any cracks that they have found are superficial, and not an issue. Sounds to me like someone at this media co-op is trying to create a story where there is none. I have no idea who this reporter is and so I can't judge how good they are, but I am always suspicious when "news" is written from an activist perspective (whether from the right or the left), because activist news by definition is an opinion piece not a news piece.
I dont trust this "media co-op" thing. I read the story on the blasting, then I made the mistake of reading some of their "articles" on hydraulic fracking. What a rabbit hole that was
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 12:55 AM
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I dont trust this "media co-op" thing. I read the story on the blasting, then I made the mistake of reading some of their "articles" on hydraulic fracking. What a rabbit hole that was
There ya go...
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 5:36 AM
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Left-wingers all oppose Nova Center.
And I support holes in the ground. Yep, I and all the other lefties are the reason for all the parking lots and abandoned buildings. Oh, and the demise of Barrington. As we all know from reading the CH, that's been dying for decades.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 10:29 AM
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Is blasting still going on?

I'm not skeptical of damage, but at the same time, this is another sabotage attempt regardless.

It will be built, its not a waste of taxpayer dollars, and for christ's sake... give up opponents. You don't know what you are talking about and you don't really contribute to the tax base in the first place!!!
I think blasting is pretty much done. Based on the webcam it looks as though the excavators have been loading the blasting mats on trucks on Argyle over the last couple days.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 10:41 AM
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Oh yeah. To be fair, he and the Heritage Trust did a lot of good work in the past (key to preserving the Historic Properties, etc.) He just seems to have become sort of the uber-NIMBY in recent years.
the heritage trust, and especially the ones that are active these days, were not key to saving historic properties. That's inaccurate.

Pacey shouldn't have been given the air time, he's a chemist not an engineer.

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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 11:59 AM
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the heritage trust, and especially the ones that are active these days, were not key to saving historic properties. That's inaccurate.

Pacey shouldn't have been given the air time, he's a chemist not an engineer.
I was at a meeting a couple of years ago in which Pacey got up and claimed credit for stopping Harbour Drive and saving the old warehouses now known as Historic Properties. He went on to claim that since he knew it all back then he knows it all now and we should listen to him or we would ruin our city.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Home » Opinions » Opinion » Has Nova Centre site become a hole too big to fail?
Has Nova Centre site become a hole too big to fail?

Last week, a small drama played out at City Hall. HRM staff had drafted a July 15 report in response to a July 3 letter from Joseph Ramia of Argyle Developments Inc. Mr. Ramia was seeking help since he had not yet applied for, nor received, any of the necessary approvals or a building permit for the proposed Nova Centre. Yet he wanted to continue straight on into construction as soon as the excavation was done at the end of July.

Staff suggested that council approve making a request to the provincial government for something dubbed “a Statement of Provincial Interest” to facilitate the creation of an Interim Planning Area wherein all the requirements for permits, or administrative approvals, would be waived for at least eight months.

This ploy would then allow construction work to continue upwards from the bedrock with first the footings, then two levels of underground parking and the lowest floor of the convention centre, before any of the mandatory municipal permits are debated, approved by, and issued by HRM.

In the Interim Planning Area, all requirements for the usual permits will be waived.

The province can declare a Provincial Interest itself. In this case, the council motion will allow the province to act out the charade and say, “We are only responding to a request from the municipality. Non peccavimus (we have not sinned).”

Such a power, while deeply buried away in the Municipal Government Act, has never been used in Nova Scotia. Such a tactic to assist a single developer has never been used in Atlantic Canada. The provision exists to allow the province to act in extreme cases where a municipality is unable to, or refuses, to act.

A good example faces Alberta at present in the community of High River, where the recent disastrous floods have left the town paralyzed. It is in need of a total rethink and replanning, at least along the river. This may be a prime candidate for provincial intervention by way of an Interim Planning Area that may comprise 1,000 to 2,000 hectares in size.

Nova Scotia will most certainly eventually face a similar situation in Truro when an 1865 Saxby Gale-type storm surge reoccurs. In Truro, an Interim Planning Area of over 1,000 hectares will be needed.

In Halifax, council and the mayor will tell us that a $500-million project is in jeopardy on a two-block area of downtown that is barely 1.1 hectares in size. One councillor gushed, “This is the biggest project that HRM has ever had.”

It is not HRM’s biggest project ever. If you convert Scotia Square (1964) into today’s dollars, it was bigger and I will wager that the Imperoyl Refinery in 1916-1917 was bigger.

The only part of the $500 million that has its funding in place is the $375 million proposed convention centre that Argyle Developments is to build with mainly our money from the three levels of government. The oft-mooted 4.5-star hotel and the business tower have drawn only silence in the last year.

There is no urgency vis-à-vis five modest-sized 2016 conventions that have been booked. The real issue is that HRM and the province are playing favourites, which is absolutely unfair to other developers.

There are a number of projects underway, or planned, by proponents who are playing by the normal rules. Faced with high downtown vacancy rates, the competition for tenants is fierce; the development community must feel betrayed.

To HRM council, after all, this is “a hole too big to fail.” This developer is very experienced and he well understands what the rules are. Perhaps that is exactly why he waited until the last moment to seek the help of this never-before-used provision in the Municipal Government Act. He, too, knows that he has “a hole too big to fail.”

The provincial imposition of an Interim Planning Area will give HRM the welcome result that, to use the words of the staff report, “No community engagement will occur pursuant to the establishment of the Statement of Provincial Interest and Interim Planning Order. Further, there is no appeal possible. Citizens, and for that matter, the opinions of other developers who abide by the rules, do not count.

Curiously, there appears to be no proposed provincial supervision, or involvement, in the proposed tiny Interim Planning Area. If the Municipal Affairs minister, in this case John MacDonell, “... is satisfied that there are necessary and compelling reasons to establish an interim planning area to protect the Provincial Interest,” and that he has no other recourse but to use the draconian measure of imposing an Interim Planning Area, he surely should insist that the province play a significant role. But perhaps the province, with a critical election looming, also realizes that it too is sitting on the edge of a hole too deep to fail?

Alan Ruffman lives in Halifax.


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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 1:07 PM
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And I support holes in the ground. Yep, I and all the other lefties are the reason for all the parking lots and abandoned buildings. Oh, and the demise of Barrington. As we all know from reading the CH, that's been dying for decades.
I remember when they were building the current WTC, I was peeking through the hoarding at the hole in the ground and noticed that someone has scrawled, "Uniters of the world work". I might be a leftie, but i do have a sense of humour.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 1:49 PM
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Giving Alan Ruffman op-ed space to write about development is like giving Thomas Mulcair space to write about Stephen Harper. You're just wasting ink.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 2:13 PM
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the heritage trust, and especially the ones that are active these days, were not key to saving historic properties. That's inaccurate.

Pacey shouldn't have been given the air time, he's a chemist not an engineer.
Oh yeah? In that case I'm mistaken. I knew he was a Dal prof though; thought he had been involved with the Harbour Drive stuff...
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 2:17 PM
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Exactly. And lately a lot of "journalism" is exactly like that - everything in the Coast, plus a large amount of what appears in the CBC and Herald.
Yes I think you could throw a significant amount of journalism from many major dailies on that pile as well... it is almost amusing some days to read nominally the exact same news story in the Toronto Star and the National Post, and see that they report it like it was two completely different things, because in fact what they are actually reporting is their bias from either the left or the right. I have almost given up looking for true unbiased journalism, and have resigned myself to simply reading articles with eye to how they are biased so that I can filter what they are saying through that lens.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 4:49 PM
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Pacey shouldn't have been given the air time, he's a chemist not an engineer.
During the hearings on the United Gulf proposal for the former TexPark site on Sackville St. (the Twisted Sisters, not the ones with the balls in the lobby), I saw him stand up in front of council and the public and announce that he was an "optical expert" as reason his opinion should be valued above others'.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 6:01 PM
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During the hearings on the United Gulf proposal for the former TexPark site on Sackville St. (the Twisted Sisters, not the ones with the balls in the lobby), I saw him stand up in front of council and the public and announce that he was an "optical expert" as reason his opinion should be valued above others'.
"Trust me, I'm an expert" is a good cue to stop listening to somebody. If he really were an expert, he'd be able to present compelling arguments that stood up on their own merits and he wouldn't need to make that kind of appeal to authority.

The deeper problem with the Pacey and Ruffman types is that their focus is almost entirely negative (oppose the biggest development of the day), and it is based on the narrow perspective of a tiny peer group. There is no evidence that they ever actually listen to anybody who isn't exactly like them, or that they have a workable vision for what the city should be 5, 10, or 30 years in the future. They get way too much airtime.

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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 6:39 PM
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Somebody needs to start memes for these folks, will destroy their credibility with very few words.

"Studies chemistry, becomes expert on urban planning"

Ben McCrea, a developer, was responsible for saving Historic Properties if I'm not mistaken.

These folks all have an agenda... many of them likely own heritage properties and try to disguise self interest as concern.

They are a joke.
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