YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[whatnext]

Anyone know why YVR has closed the planespotters park and ripped out the trees they planted just a couple years ago (ka-ching!)? Is it to support the roadwork on Russ Baker Way?

[itinerant]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Anyone know why YVR has closed the planespotters park and ripped out the trees they planted just a couple years ago (ka-ching!)? Is it to support the roadwork on Russ Baker Way?

You may be interested in reading this entry in YVR's blog from last March:
http://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/posts/A_vision_for_Flight_Path_Park_takes_shape.aspx.


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[Johnny Aussie]

Well since all the Chinese airlines have finally announced all their huge capacity increases for YVR for the winter...

... now for something really exciting!!

Sunwing is launching 1 weekly YVR-ZIH for the winter season.

[Johnny Aussie]

I hate reading about unsubstantiated rumours, but I am on post surgery meds and feeling rather fine so I am going to break my own rule to help pass some time today.

Just starting to get some murmurs of Philippine Airlines dropping YYZ.

IF this happens, I am guessing they misjudged the YYZ market.

IF this happens, perhaps another city would be added as I seriously doubt YVR could support YVR-MNL daily on its own. Unless, of course, they just drop to a few days per week anyway.

IF this happens, San Diego was always mentioned as a possible alternative. I seriously doubt they would have another crack at Viva Las Vegas.

Edit: forgot to put a "?" in the heading! ooops.

Edit 2: airlineroute.net now showing YYZ as cancelled and YVR maintained as daily (for now I guess)

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/17/pr-yyz-sep13/. That sure didn't last long!

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I hate reading about unsubstantiated rumours, but I am on post surgery meds and feeling rather fine so I am going to break my own rule to help pass some time today.

Just starting to get some murmurs of Philippine Airlines dropping YYZ.

IF this happens, I am guessing they misjudged the YYZ market.

IF this happens, perhaps another city would be added as I seriously doubt YVR could support YVR-MNL daily on its own. Unless, of course, they just drop to a few days per week anyway.

IF this happens, San Diego was always mentioned as a possible alternative. I seriously doubt they would have another crack at Viva Las Vegas.

Edit: forgot to put a "?" in the heading! ooops.

Edit 2: airlineroute.net now showing YYZ as cancelled and YVR maintained as daily (for now I guess)

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/17/pr-yyz-sep13/. That sure didn't last long!

I think PR's yields were too low to maintain YYZ. For a 17 hour flight, if first class isn't full, the route's not going to last. This was always the concern from the beginning - that most of the traffic would be VFR, which is low-yield. PR also didn't have any alliances in Canada or NA for that matter to allow for connecting pax.

[SpongeG]

they could add edmonton or calgary, there are so many filipinos working in alberta, they all have to go via vancouver to get home - 4 people i work with all flew edmonton-yvr-phillipines in the last few months and all kinda hated the layover

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Well since all the Chinese airlines have finally announced all their huge capacity increases for YVR for the winter...

... now for something really exciting!!

Sunwing is launching 1 weekly YVR-ZIH for the winter season.

That is cool! Another new destination from YVR. Have there ever been flights to ZIH before?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Denscity

That is cool! Another new destination from YVR. Have there ever been flights to ZIH before?

It looks like Air Canada and Air Transat have previously had some flights there from YVR.

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

they could add edmonton or calgary, there are so many filipinos working in alberta, they all have to go via vancouver to get home - 4 people i work with all flew edmonton-yvr-phillipines in the last few months and all kinda hated the layover

It's unlikely that YYC or YEG will work if the city with the largest Filipino community in Canada didn't work.

[Johnny Aussie]

^ Had a look at the latest census data from 2011 for visible minorities.

It appears the fastest growing biggest groups of visible minorities in pure numbers are Filipino and South Asian in the period 2006-2011. The numbers include immigrants, non-immigrants and non-permanent residents.

As at 2011, the following are the populations by CMA.

Filipino:
Toronto - 230,075
Vancouver - 112,090
Winnipeg - 56,670
Calgary - 49,250
Edmonton - 39,945
Montreal - 30,210
Ottawa - 10,975

South Asian:
Toronto - 833,080
Vancouver - 252,405
Calgary - 84,870
Montreal - 79,540
Edmonton - 61,135
Ottawa - 34,790
Winnipeg - 23,180

And to show where the Chinese population is in Canada:
Toronto - 531,635
Vancouver - 411,470
Calgary - 75,470
Montreal - 74,375
Edmonton - 51,675
Ottawa - 37,140
Winnipeg - 15,165

These stats should "help" explain why certain routes exist while others do not. By help I by no means imply this is the ONLY variable involved in plotting new routes.

I think sometimes people have a perception at how large a particular ethnic community is in a particular city. This does not equate to having the volume of air traffic required to make a route viable.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

That is cool! Another new destination from YVR. Have there ever been flights to ZIH before?

Air Canada still flies this route seasonally in the winter and has for quite a few years now.

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ Had a look at the latest census data from 2011 for visible minorities.

It appears the fastest growing biggest groups of visible minorities in pure numbers are Filipino and South Asian in the period 2006-2011. The numbers include immigrants, non-immigrants and non-permanent residents.

As at 2011, the following are the populations by CMA.

Filipino:
Toronto - 230,075
Vancouver - 112,090
Winnipeg - 56,670
Calgary - 49,250
Edmonton - 39,945
Montreal - 30,210
Ottawa - 10,975

South Asian:
Toronto - 833,080
Vancouver - 252,405
Calgary - 84,870
Montreal - 79,540
Edmonton - 61,135
Ottawa - 34,790
Winnipeg - 23,180

And to show where the Chinese population is in Canada:
Toronto - 531,635
Vancouver - 411,470
Calgary - 75,470
Montreal - 74,375
Edmonton - 61,135
Ottawa - 37,140
Winnipeg - 15,165

These stats should "help" explain why certain routes exist while others do not. By help I by no means imply this is the ONLY variable involved in plotting new routes.

I think sometimes people have a perception at how large a particular ethnic community is in a particular city. This does not equate to having the volume of air traffic required to make a route viable.

Thanks for posting that. I agree, this is not the only variable. Business and transfer actually tend to be much larger factors. Which is even more of a reason PR is unlikely to start YYC or YEG.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Anyone know why YVR has closed the planespotters park and ripped out the trees they planted just a couple years ago (ka-ching!)? Is it to support the roadwork on Russ Baker Way?

Its called Flight Path Park

And yes what an absolute joke. After the city of Richmond sunk how many thousands into planting a ton of new trees there, they all get ripped up and a private contractor gets hired to redo the park. Why do tax payers stand for this crap

[Johnny Aussie]

Continuing from earlier here are other significant Asian visible minority populations according to the 2011 Census in the 4 largest Western Canadian cities.

Again, this information is not the only criteria used to fly a route, but it does give some explanation, for example, why say Korean Air only flies to YVR in Western Canada.

Korean:
Vancouver - 48,425
Calgary - 8,515
Edmonton - 4,800
Winnipeg - 2,715

South-East Asian (main group being Vietnamese):
Vancouver - 44,225
Calgary - 21,730
Edmonton - 16,295
Winnipeg - 7,065

West Asian (main group being Iranian):
Vancouver - 37,030
Calgary - 8,525
Edmonton - 6,785
Winnipeg - 1,975

Japanese
Vancouver - 28,345
Calgary - 5,360
Edmonton - 2,660
Winnipeg - 1,485

[ACT7]

Some of that data looks like it's from the 2006 census, if I remember correctly. In fact, in the 2006 census, the Chinese population of Toronto was 537,060. It's unlikely that has shrunk. Vancouver's was 402,000, so also unlikely that it only grew by 9,000.

Regardless, I see your point.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by ACT7

Some of that data looks like it's from the 2006 census, if I remember correctly. In fact, in the 2006 census, the Chinese population of Toronto was 537,060. It's unlikely that has shrunk. Vancouver's was 402,000, so also unlikely that it only grew by 9,000.

Regardless, I see your point.

All of this info was extracted from the 2011 NHS from the 2011 Census. A quick dump into tabular format and a quick cut and paste and voila! I realise data can never be 100% accurate. But like you said, regardless, even given margins of error, the perception exists in certain places that seeing a lot of Filipino people on the streets of City W in Province M = logical to have a flight to Manila.

In addition, Vancouver added even more visible minority population than any other city, other than Toronto of course, between 2006 and 2011.

Again, I am not saying these are the ONLY reasons, but the geographic location of Vancouver and these population stats help explain why the vast majority of flights to Asia from Western Canada are from Vancouver.

[spaceprobe]

has this been posted on the board before?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asi...les+flights+Vancouver/8682807/story.html

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by spaceprobe

has this been posted on the board before?

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asi...les+flights+Vancouver/8682807/story.html

Not this exact story. Thanks for posting.

But if you flip back through this thread you would see all my updated postings about YVR - China service increases. What is really impressive is a lot of these additions are becoming year-round (ie not just summer seasonal increases).

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Not this exact story. Thanks for posting.

But if you flip back through this thread you would see all my updated postings about YVR - China service increases. What is really impressive is a lot of these additions are becoming year-round (ie not just summer seasonal increases).

I just gotta say keep up the good work with the constant updating on this thread Johnny. Without you there would only be speculation and question posts. This thread should be a lot busier than it is compared to the YYC thread which seems to be added to many times a day. Well done Johnny!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

I just gotta say keep up the good work with the constant updating on this thread Johnny. Without you there would only be speculation and question posts. This thread should be a lot busier than it is compared to the YYC thread which seems to be added to many times a day. Well done Johnny!

Thanks for that. I'll try and keep up.

Well in a strange set of flip flops.

1) PR was dropping YYZ... then...
2) PR was dropping YVR to 4 flights per week... now...
3) PR is now no longer dropping YYZ... and...
4) PR will maintain YVR daily