Winnipeg Construction - Page 494

Bdog · #**9861** Posted **Jul 9, 2013, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by techfreak

On Google Maps, what is being built at Avalon Rd. and St. Marys?

https://www.google.ca/maps?ll=49.828365,...005284&sll=49.885702,-97.152152&t=h&z=18

It's a strip-mall with Original Joes, Popeyes Supplements, and a Global Pet Foods. There's also a Wendy's Drive-thru to the south. Looks like the north-east corner of the property will be developed soon too.

DancingDuck · #**9862** Posted **Jul 9, 2013, 10:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by techfreak

On Google Maps, what is being built at Avalon Rd. and St. Marys?

A small (mostly completed) strip mall that has a Wendy's, original joes, and a couple other stores I can't think of...

wags_in_the_peg · #**9863** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 12:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by DancingDuck

A small (mostly completed) strip mall that has a Wendy's, original joes, and a couple other stores I can't think of...

Assiniboine Credit Union will also be building a stand alone building to replace current St.Mary's Rd and Meadowood branches.

ctochico · #**9864** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 1:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by h0twired

Cool. However I would have more confidence in its success if someone other than Ernie Walter was behind the development.

is this the project?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/our-little-italy-going-upscale-214868441.html

DancingDuck · #**9865** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 3:44 PM**

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busines...ect-in-city-ready-to-roll-214868611.html
Nice to see they are finally doing something with that space, but surely they could have laid the site out better to avoid that massive parking lot... And the traffic around there is going to be horrible... especially at Harrow @ Taylor

chrisallard5454 · #**9866** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by DancingDuck

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busines...ect-in-city-ready-to-roll-214868611.html
Nice to see they are finally doing something with that space, but surely they could have laid the site out better to avoid that massive parking lot... And the traffic around there is going to be horrible... especially at Harrow @ Taylor

What a waste... So much potential thrown out the window for more sprawl and big box.

Bdog · #**9867** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 4:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by chrisallard5454

What a waste... So much potential thrown out the window for more sprawl and big box.

Not sure how this would be considered sprawl, but yes, definitely business as usually under the guise of "mixed-use"...

Mininari · #**9868** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 4:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bdog

Not sure how this would be considered sprawl, but yes, definitely business as usually under the guise of "mixed-use"...

Makes sense why the city decided to change the rapid transit routing... but yes, agreed, this site has way more potential than this. Looks like those Wal-mart rumours could be swirling around that "big concept retail thats not necessarily part of the deal."

Heh, the kings of Big Box opting NOT to build big concept retail??? I'm thinking not...

steveosnyder · #**9869** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 4:24 PM**

You can't take a big box development and put some condo's/rentals/retirement homes beside it and call it mixed use. I agree that this site has way more potential, but developers know this "works", so this is what they build.

It may work for the developers bottom line, but it can (and will) cause huge problems for the City. I am almost positive that within 1 year of full build-out the city traffic engineers will decide that Taylor needs to be widened. Maybe even earlier.

Edit: forgot to include Harrow -- that will need to be widened too.

Cyro · #**9870** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 4:27 PM**

As the general consensus seems to be this "mixed use infill development", could be better utilized, an area sandwiched between an active rail line. Pembina Hwy. and hydro's old building/ transmission lines, and a strip mall/retail space to the west, what is the better solution for this area? A park? Commercial buildings only? What exactly from the view of an urban planner?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busines...ect-in-city-ready-to-roll-214868611.html

bomberjet · #**9871** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 5:17 PM**

Hardly seems mixed use. They slid some residential in the back corner beside a retail development. So proximity makes it mixed use?

Cyro · #**9872** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 5:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Hardly seems mixed use. They slid some residential in the back corner beside a retail development. So proximity makes it mixed use?

I'm not sure if the comment is directed at me reg: mixed use development? Or at Shindico's quote from the article as to what they are classifying this development as.

What would you like to see developed in the space is what my post was asking?

Mininari · #**9873** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 5:46 PM**

To me, "mixed use" implies mixed use within a particular BUILDING. I.e. ground-level retail, couple levels of office, and condos above, along with other possible amenities (daycare, etc.)
Higher densities close to the rapid transit route, with a pedestrian overpass over the rail would be really attractive for the 'transit hub' village concept. Oh well, we're stuck in the 70's here, right? Especially with Shindico leading the charge.

A real lost opportunity for true "mixed use" that would have worked just fine is at the Bison Pointe Apartments on Bison Drive, which in their built form, have ground-level apartments fronting the superstore parking lot (yuck!). What a lost opportunity for some ground-level units for some commercial such as hair salons, restaurants, coffee shop, dry cleaners, dentist, doctor. Things that the residents of Bisone Point would use, along with other residents in the area.

Cyro · #**9874** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mininari

To me, "mixed use" implies mixed use within a particular BUILDING. I.e. ground-level retail, couple levels of office, and condos above, along with other possible amenities (daycare, etc.)
Higher densities close to the rapid transit route, with a pedestrian overpass over the rail would be really attractive for the 'transit hub' village concept. Oh well, we're stuck in the 70's here, right? Especially with Shindico leading the charge.

A real lost opportunity for true "mixed use" that would have worked just fine is at the Bison Pointe Apartments on Bison Drive, which in their built form, have ground-level apartments fronting the superstore parking lot (yuck!). What a lost opportunity for some ground-level units for some commercial such as hair salons, restaurants, coffee shop, dry cleaners, dentist, doctor. Things that the residents of Bisone Point would use, along with other residents in the area.

Well put. This is what I was asking posters to clarify with thier disdain for the project. What would you do? Although it's in such an early stage of development do we actually know what will be done for certain?

bomberjet · #**9875** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cyrodill

I'm not sure if the comment is directed at me reg: mixed use development? Or at Shindico's quote from the article as to what they are classifying this development as.

What would you like to see developed in the space is what my post was asking?

My apologies. I was referring to Shindico saying this is a mixed use development. Sure there's stores and housing. But I agree with Mininari that mixed use to me refers to a certain building. Not just putting up a Wal-Mart, then building some apartments nearby and call it mixed use. The entire city is mixed use by that standard.

The Superstore on Bison Drive is a good example. New apartments plopped down in front of a bank and a grocery store. Good for the residents with nearby shopping. But just doesn't seem very inviting to live. Basically living in the Superstore parking lot...

Cyro · #**9876** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 6:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

My apologies. I was referring to Shindico saying this is a mixed use development. Sure there's stores and housing. But I agree with Mininari that mixed use to me refers to a certain building. Not just putting up a Wal-Mart, then building some apartments nearby and call it mixed use. The entire city is mixed use by that standard.

The Superstore on Bison Drive is a good example. New apartments plopped down in front of a bank and a grocery store. Good for the residents with nearby shopping. But just doesn't seem very inviting to live. Basically living in the Superstore parking lot...

I agree with you. Although the article is far from specific on what "will" happen over 10 years.

Partial Quote:

John Pearson, the Shindico developer in charge of the $200-million project, said mixed-use zoning for the sprawling property has all sorts of flexibility built in so the configuration of multi-family and seniors homes, retail and office components will depend on what the market demands.

"Our zoning gives us that flexibility to meet the demands of the marketplace," Pearson said. "As you proceed into the future, markets for certain categories change."

Pearson would not be pinned down on specifics of the 500,000-square-foot-plus project, which will be the largest mixed-use development in the city.

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At this point, with the time frame involved, we really don't know? Hopefully it will contain elements/planning that will not have a "Big Box" store parking lot fronting residential units, etc.

The press release is very vague and open to much interpretation with the zoning variance they have recieved.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busines...ect-in-city-ready-to-roll-214868611.html

steveosnyder · #**9877** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cyrodill

Well put. This is what I was asking posters to clarify with thier disdain for the project. What would you do? Although it's in such an early stage of development do we actually know what will be done for certain?

If I had some sort of graphics software at work I would do a mock-up of what I would do, but I would have to do it in MS Paint...

Maybe when I get home I could do something.

bomberjet · #**9878** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 7:25 PM**

Maybe we are over analysing the term mixed use here.

esquire · #**9879** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Maybe we are over analysing the term mixed use here.

I agree. The proposed site plan is probably a better indication of things to come than the words “mixed use”.

drew · #**9880** Posted **Jul 10, 2013, 8:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bdog

It's a strip-mall with Original Joes, Popeyes Supplements, and a Global Pet Foods. There's also a Wendy's Drive-thru to the south. Looks like the north-east corner of the property will be developed soon too.

New ACU Branch.