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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 12:08 AM
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Someone suggested it before; name both the VIA and ORT stations after someone significant (Jacque Gréber Station, William Lyon Mackenzie King Station or George McIlraith).
     
     
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It would help if our VIA train station had a more original name than "Ottawa Train Station". I'm surprised that after all these years it hasn't been renamed.
     
     
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It would help if our VIA train station had a more original name than "Ottawa Train Station". I'm surprised that after all these years it hasn't been renamed.
I know. They're always naming and renaming things, so why not the VIA station? They tried renaming Wellington, they tried renaming Robertson, MacDonald Parkway was fine because it had a pretty generic name (like the VIA station).
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 3:17 AM
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Within a few weeks, there'll be a royal baby born. The VIA and OLRT station could be named after her/him.

It really is the railway station that needs to be renamed. Just about anything other than VIA's "Ottawa Station". Heck, even "Capital Station" ("Gare de la capitale") would be better.


And for bizarro bilingual names...: "Gare Station"
     
     
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Someone suggested it before; name both the VIA and ORT stations after someone significant (Jacque Gréber Station, William Lyon Mackenzie King Station or George McIlraith).
Name. Nothing. After. Gréber.

Wipe his name off the map.
     
     
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Unfortunately you can't wipe his legacy off the map. At least if you arrive at "Gréber Station" on Tremblay by train and wonder why you're nowhere near downtown and have to take LRT to get there, the name of the station might give you a clue as to who to blame.
     
     
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Within a few weeks, there'll be a royal baby born. The VIA and OLRT station could be named after her/him.
I like this idea!

He/she would be born in the same year construction started for the Eastern LRT.
It's unlikely that his/her name will be the same as any of the other proposed station names.
And he/she will be directly in line for the throne, just like the anticipated ridership of the new LRT, so to speak.
     
     
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unfortunately you can't wipe his legacy off the map. At least if you arrive at "gréber station" on tremblay by train and wonder why you're nowhere near downtown and have to take lrt to get there, the name of the station might give you a clue as to who to blame.
     
     
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I like this idea!

He/she would be born in the same year construction started for the Eastern LRT.
It's unlikely that his/her name will be the same as any of the other proposed station names.
And he/she will be directly in line for the throne, just like the anticipated ridership of the new LRT, so to speak.
You guys are joking, right? RIGHT?!?!
     
     
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You guys are joking, right? RIGHT?!?!
Long may he or she reign!

lol..
     
     
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I'm more of a fan of naming things after people who actually did something for Ottawa, not a bunch of snooty royals.
     
     
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I'm more of a fan of naming things after people who actually did something for Ottawa, not a bunch of snooty royals.
Well if you don't like the Royals you'd best figure out if Montreal of Toronto want to be the capital. Can't keep one that was decided by some snooty royal now can we.
     
     
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I'm more of a fan of naming things after people who actually did something for Ottawa, not a bunch of snooty royals.
Says the guy who wants a station named after Jacques Greber!

At least those crumpet-eating monarchs kept their English paws off the city planning file, as opposed to screwing it up (royally, I might add), so that future generations could suffer through the process of correcting (expensive) mistakes of the past.

Oh, those damn Royals!
     
     
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I'm not a fan of Jacques Gréber, but he used a formula popular in the 50s and 60s. And apparently he didn't want to close down Union (my vote for biggest mistake), that was just the feds going over board.

Montrealers certainly don't like the Queen any more than Ottawa. And Torontonians, I'm sure, are happy as the Provincial Capital as they are well supported by the Ontario Government as opposed to Ottawa (in recent history).

As for Queen Victoria choosing Ottawa; I doubt it. Why would some snooty royal take the time to properly research the best capital and then choose some back woods, dangerous lumber town? The government of the day (MacDonald-Cartier) and the GG realized that moving the Capital every few years was inefficient and idiotic and so they picked a compromise that happened to be further away from the U.S. boarder and got the Queen to sign off so that the Liberals of the time, who were very pro-monarchy compared to the Tories (go figure) might accept the deal.
     
     
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I'm not a fan of Jacques Gréber, but he used a formula popular in the 50s and 60s. And apparently he didn't want to close down Union (my vote for biggest mistake), that was just the feds going over board.

Montrealers certainly don't like the Queen any more than Ottawa. And Torontonians, I'm sure, are happy as the Provincial Capital as they are well supported by the Ontario Government as opposed to Ottawa (in recent history).

As for Queen Victoria choosing Ottawa; I doubt it. Why would some snooty royal take the time to properly research the best capital and then choose some back woods, dangerous lumber town? The government of the day (MacDonald-Cartier) and the GG realized that moving the Capital every few years was inefficient and idiotic and so they picked a compromise that happened to be further away from the U.S. boarder and got the Queen to sign off so that the Liberals of the time, who were very pro-monarchy compared to the Tories (go figure) might accept the deal.
The rivalry between Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City and Kingston was getting so bad, that riots were arrupting at the Legislature, I believe in Montreal. No doubt distance from the U.S. border was a selling point, but an even bigger selling point was the location on boundary between Canada East and Canada West. This was to end the rivalry. It should also be noted that the Tories were the establishment and represented the class system associated with British society. Did the Liberal party even exist prior to Confederation?

As far as whether Jacques Gréber wanted to move the rail station out of downtown, he actually wanted it further out of town. The original choice for the location of the new passenger rail station was at Walkley Road and Conroy Road. The land was expropriated right away and that is why the Ottawa Business Park is located there today.
     
     
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Suffice it to say that the role of the Monarchy in Canada and whether Liberals or Tories did this and that 150 years ago has little to do with the naming a future LRT system in 21st Century Ottawa.

(Or any city planning issue!)
     
     
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The rivalry between Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City and Kingston was getting so bad, that riots were arrupting at the Legislature, I believe in Montreal. No doubt distance from the U.S. border was a selling point, but an even bigger selling point was the location on boundary between Canada East and Canada West. This was to end the rivalry. It should also be noted that the Tories were the establishment and represented the class system associated with British society. Did the Liberal party even exist prior to Confederation?

As far as whether Jacques Gréber wanted to move the rail station out of downtown, he actually wanted it further out of town. The original choice for the location of the new passenger rail station was at Walkley Road and Conroy Road. The land was expropriated right away and that is why the Ottawa Business Park is located there today.
I knew about the myth of Victoria choosing Ottawa as the capital and the reasons behind it. The Liberals/Conservative thing is based on the CBC movie Sir John A. MacDonald and Cartier were Conservatives and George Brown was Liberal. The issues all seemed upside down when comparing them to the modern day parties.

As for Gréber wanting to keep Union, I read that somewhere on SSP Forum sometime a while back. I (and the other guy) might have been wrong.
     
     
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As for Gréber wanting to keep Union, I read that somewhere on SSP Forum sometime a while back. I (and the other guy) might have been wrong.
It might have been me. From my recollection, Gréber's pre-war plan envisaged moving the station to just north of Laurier, where DNDHQ is right now.

His more famous post-war plan had it located out near what is now the Walkley rail yards, basically on the north side of the yards.

The current location was something of an opportunistic land sale by Canadian Pacific but it clearly had enough support from the NCC to go through.
     
     
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The Alta Vista Parkway corridor was expropriated originally to connect the new rail station to downtown. Station Boulevard in Riverview was the first phase of that road. Then the plans changed.
     
     
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City prepares for tunnelling under downtown

Construction for the next month will be loud, says city


By Derek Spalding, OTTAWA CITIZEN July 10, 2013 4:06 PM

OTTAWA — Crews began building one of the entrances to the underground portion of the city’s light-rail transit line this week in what is expected to be a noisy project for the next month.

The boring machine that will eventually drill east through rock beneath Queen Street is not expected to be operating until August, but a temporary wall is being built to support the ground around the future tunnel, according to a release issued by the city.

The notice cautions that preparation work, which started at the intersection of Albert and Commissioner streets, will be loud with long, steel beams being driven into the ground, creating “intermittent and repetitive banging noises.” Work will start before 6 p.m. on weekdays and will last about a month until the boring machines arrive.

Preparation work at the east entrance of the tunnel, just south of Laurier Avenue, is a few weeks behind because crews had to redesign two small stretches of road in order to clear the area. The contractor expanded a portion of Nicholas Street by two lanes, which allowed OC Transpo to redirect buses off of the transitway near Waller Street. Buses now detour around the future tunnel entrance by continuing on Nicholas, then turning onto Laurier before reconnecting with the transitway.

Digging under the downtown to create the 2.5-kilometre tunnel is anticipated to be the largest undertaking in the building of the $2.13-billion Confederation Line, but plenty of other LRT construction sites started this summer.

Some projects that kicked off in May have changed how people navigate through the city with the ongoing and new work expected to cause varying degrees of disruption during the next five years.

Expansion of Highway 417 between Blair Road and Nicholas began in June and was strategically linked to LRT construction in order to provide new bus lanes while the transitway is converted to a light-rail line. Construction of two new outside lanes, one in each direction, will be completed in 2015 and will cause minimal traffic disruption.

OC Transpo will then use the dedicated lanes until 2018 when the trains are running, the buses are removed and the road can be turned over to regular vehicle traffic.

Also related to both these projects, the city is in the middle of fixing the split where Highway 174 connects to the 417. Crews eliminated one lane of traffic on a short stretch of 174 just west of Blair Road. Barriers will eventually be put in place to stop traffic from criss-crossing with 417 traffic once construction wraps up in late August.

Other work also not expected to cause traffic disruption includes demolition of buildings at the Maintenance and Storage facility on Belfast Road to eventually make way for a train maintenance building, storage and some administration offices.

Some of the old buildings on the site are being torn down, but new construction will not be completed for a couple of more years.

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