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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 5:20 AM
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Alright I found it. Nice rendering.


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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 5:21 AM
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^ That's it! Awesome job.

I'm starting to drool over this project. Hard not to when you also have the DTLA Streetcar and My Figueroa road diet project.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 5:24 AM
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I'd definitely prefer the height over more efficient land use. That entire block is getting gobbled up by the project so whether its two taller towers or five smaller ones, my guess is that it'll make little difference in terms of how it'll activate the area or create good pedestrian zones. It looks like the area will be teeming with people and mirroring what ones on at LA Live regardless.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 6:16 AM
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As I contemplated the move, I started to discover that most of my friends, and girlfriend, in other parts of the city (I've been on the westside for about 8 years) balked at basically ever coming to visit.

The lack of grocery stores really hurts. I have an Erewhon across the street from my place, with Trader Joe's and the Farmers' Market at the Grove a five minute walk. I love the Grand Central Market but I don't see stocking my kitchen there every week.

Downtown also doesn't always feel particularly safe, and I've also never been there without being harassed for change by at least one homeless guy, or stepping over somebody's piss. Until that problem starts to actually get addressed, I am always going to think twice.

And Fairfax has more than double the population density of DTLA (not counting the Downtown commuters, who I'd never be around to see anyway). I've never walked around at night out here, and felt alone. That's added to by the fact that the street life is contiguous -- whereas a lot of Downtown is broken up by parking structures and surface lots.

As more of these projects fill in those gaping lots; more residential density gets added; hopefully the streetcar and the regional connecter; plus all the planned retail, restaurants, etc.; I'm sure all of it will change. But as is, I didn't feel ready for it, and it didn't feel ready for me. Yet.
I imagine your POV is alot more common than the opinion of those ppl who are unhappy with dt cuz its newer bldgs are too short or don't have the snazziest of architectural design. I wish dt's biggest problems were based on those things instead of weaknesses that are more noticeable & troubling.

I wonder if the ppl who are so fixated on the height of bldgs in dt, & feel if new projs are too short, really spend much or any time in the hood? That's cuz when one is actually in dtla....or at least when I'm there....the last thing that makes me go or is cuz of a lack of more super big skyscrapers. maybe a fascination with greater height is a guy thing, or a "fanboy" type of thing....or sort of like the proverbial [nick name for "Richard"] measuring competition.

but I'm picky or demanding in my own way. I was in dt this afternoon & the effect of one gap being filled in somehow making neighboring gaps even more glaring & noticeable is what stood out to me. for instance in little tokyo at 2nd & san Pedro st, where a new apt proj was supposed to have finally broken ground by now. as of today, it's still a parking lot. So a gnawing sense of incompleteness is what stands out to me, far, far more than whether LA's skyline is comparable to that of some city in Illinois.

My impatience at change still being too slow is another reaction I notice when I'm actually in dtla, & not any unhappiness I might have cuz a new proj is 7 floors instead of 30, or doesn't fit a perfect urban ideal.

another thing: there is something very amiss about the clark hotel....it seems the exterior clean up work is being done on an overly modest budget. Although the first floor isn't the very filthy & rundown disgrace that it used to be, it now looks like only a simple whitewash paint job is what the owners are willing to do, or can afford to do at this time. they've gotta be a money laundering outfit.

What is nice about dt today compared with yrs ago is that there are now more ppl strolling about....who aren't desperate & poor....some of them also walking their dogs in open areas & creating more of a community feel. dtla is one of the few parts of LA where a person can walk around & not feel like a....put one's finger shaped like an 'L' on the forehead.

I'm not sure if that walkability is as true of the fairfax area, which to me has a street life that's more linear....one major commercial street like wilshire or La Brea surrounded by mainly quiet residential areas....and in its own way is just as non contiguous...or even more incomplete.....than dt is.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 7:23 AM
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I love how residential the back side looks compared to the front. Almost like an entirely different project.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 3:56 PM
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^ It's hidden under this one. The rendering is from the corner of 11th/Flower and the towers are a silverish hue. If you find it, be sure to click on the zoom button in the upper right corner.
I thought this project was on hold. Is it moving forward now? The website doesn't make that point clear.

BTW I think its one of the best designed projects to hit this cycle.

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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 4:26 PM
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I saw that too on the website. It's just another option for the land, but I don't believe there are any entitlements for it or anything (not that I know very well how that whole process works).
I believe that this site is fully entitled, hence the incredible value of the property as it is. The renderings are based upon Moinian's original plans, and they are now a "suggestion" of what can be. I like the design (was it done by RTKL?) My sense is that the buyer will be truly serious about investing. Buying, holding, and reselling property may be wise up to a point, but when maximum value is obtained it is time to act. This project would be a billion dollar plus investment (including land), and I think that it will be another catalyst for the South Park/Downtown Los Angeles resurgence. Oddly, in one of the renderings you will notice a small white building in the lower right corner of the site. This property is owned by Onni development. I can guarantee you the the company is now making plans for that site, and it won't be a "crap stucco box" either. Because of LA live, and the success it has brought to the area, this will be very high end retail and residential development. Also, as envisioned, this project will further the eastward infilling of South Park. Eastward, block by block, there will be development, and eventually meeting up with the gentrifying development on lower Broadway. If you think of the city core as being like an organism, its growth and revitalization is dependent upon proper nutrients and the right growing conditions. Once critical mass is achieved (interest, money, political will, and good guidance) growth can be exponential. I've witnessed this before in other cities. Think of downtown San Diego, South of Market in San Francisco, downtown Boston and the waterfront, etc. Mojeda is right on when he says that south park will be unrecognizable by 2020. And by the way, a downtown population of 100,000 by 2020 is not to be laughed at, it could very well happen.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 4:31 PM
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Moinian put the project on hold years back because the recession made it impossible to find financing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-21...or-downtown-los-angeles-real-estate.html

They recently decided to put the land/entitlements for LA Central on the market in order to "focus on New York real estate." Supposedly they've already got 10 potential buyers, with the bids averaging $180 million. The sales process is supposed to be completed by fall, with groundbreaking 4-6 months later at the earliest.

So I don't suppose this officially means it's "back," but I can't imagine anyone spending that much money just to own a parking lot.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 5:16 PM
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Moinian put the project on hold years back because the recession made it impossible to find financing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-21...or-downtown-los-angeles-real-estate.html

They recently decided to put the land/entitlements for LA Central on the market in order to "focus on New York real estate." Supposedly they've already got 10 potential buyers, with the bids averaging $180 million. The sales process is supposed to be completed by fall, with groundbreaking 4-6 months later at the earliest..
Thanks. I keep getting this project mixed up with the Korean project at Fig and Wilshire. I hope whomever buys the land goes forward with the renderings posted today. It would be an impressive addition to South Park.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 5:37 PM
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LA Central has long been my favorite project. It's not the tallest, but it's tall in an area (LA Live) that really needs height. It eliminates one of the largest and most visible parking lots downtown. It will have a hotel, which we really seem to need*. It will have housing, which is in demand. And it will have retail, which is missing from LA Live.

* Anyone know how the hotel occupancy rates are doing downtown? I would assume that they are through the roof ever since the Wilshire Grand closed.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 5:43 PM
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Thanks. I keep getting this project mixed up with the Korean project at Fig and Wilshire. I hope whomever buys the land goes forward with the renderings posted today. It would be an impressive addition to South Park.
I don't know how it will look, but I assume that the building sizes would remain similar given that this project was approved and entitled. I'm sure that many of us recall that it came so close to breaking ground that construction fencing was installed.
     
     
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I love how residential the back side looks compared to the front. Almost like an entirely different project.
That's a good observation and I agree with you too. It gives it a unique look from the Flower Street side.
     
     
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And by the way, a downtown population of 100,000 by 2020 is not to be laughed at, it could very well happen.
I agree. If history is of any evidence the amount of investment downtown has grown and we are seeing exponential benefits building. I don't think it's unreasonable that by 2020 Downtown will have 100k people. By 2030 it wouldn't be unreasonable to see 200k+ people if the momentum continues to build.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2013, 8:20 PM
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Mojeda is right on when he says that south park will be unrecognizable by 2020. And by the way, a downtown population of 100,000 by 2020 is not to be laughed at, it could very well happen.
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I agree. If history is of any evidence the amount of investment downtown has grown and we are seeing exponential benefits building. I don't think it's unreasonable that by 2020 Downtown will have 100k people. By 2030 it wouldn't be unreasonable to see 200k+ people if the momentum continues to build.
That wasn't the comment that most of us took issue with. DTLA is definitely changing. South Park could very well have another 10 decently sized towers by 2020 and the population will reflect that as well. Suggesting that DTLA will have one of the worlds greatest skylines in a few decades though is impossibly naive.
     
     
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just read in the LA business journal that the Whole Foods to 8th and Grand is all but wrapped up. total retail space at project is 36,000 square feet while a typical whole foods is 38,000
someone with an online subscription to LABJ forwarded me a snippet of what you read, which is sort of a good news, bad news type of thing. The good news is that, short of an actual public announcement, it seems that whole foods really has committed to opening a new store in the apt proj going up next to the brockman bldg. The bad news is that a possibility WF also would have their local offices in dtla has been overridden by WF's desire to instead go to boring burban glendale.

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Whole Foods Market Inc. is in the final stages of negotiations to open its first downtown L.A. location—again.

After years of searching for the right location, the Austin, Texas-based high-end grocery chain plans to open at a proposed mixed-use, 700-apartment development at Eighth Street and Grand Avenue, sources told the Business Journal.

It’s not clear how much space the grocer would occupy in San Francisco developer Carmel Partners’ project, which includes about 36,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space. Whole Foods’ stores average about 35,000 square feet.

Whole Foods has been searching for tens of thousands of square feet of downtown space since at least 2010. It was in negotiations to take the entire 31,000-square-foot first floor at 845 S. Figueroa St. for a store and to lease office space there as well. But the deal unraveled in 2011 when John Mackey, its chief executive, felt it was premature to open a store in the still-developing neighborhood.

Though it is planning to open a retail location, Whole Foods no longer appears to be looking for office space in the downtown area. Last year, it signed a lease for 45,000 square feet on Goode Avenue in Glendale; the company will shift its local offices there from Sherman Oaks.

Michael Soto, a research manager at brokerage Transwester downtown, said that Whole Foods would be a welcome addition to the neighborhood. “While there has been a lot of speculation about them opening a store in downtown for at least a few years now, it could be they realized that with other well-known names such as Target, Smart & Final and Zara recently coming to downtown, now might be the time to pull the trigger,” he said.
     
     
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^ That's kind of a bummer on the Whole Foods store, though I'm tickled pink that it's coming. While 38,000 ft. might be the "typical" Whole Foods store size, it's not indicative of some of the larger stores they built recently (and the ones I frequent most often, as they have the largest selection and fewest cart collisions). The one in Pasadena is 77,000 square feet, and the one in El Segundo could shelter a small town.
the problem with the WF in pasadena is that it's on 2 floors, so it's kind of a nuisance to meander from one level to the other. it also creates lots of pockets of overly quiet space....where customers tend not to browse around....which may be more risky for a store in dt. DT still doesn't have the huge nearby population that a store in the San Gabriel valley can take advantage of. But I do recall worrying that before the new ralphs on 9th st opened, that it might end up hurting for customers unless lots of ppl from nearby Mcarthur park & Boyle Heights dropped by.

if the new WF in dtla is half the size of the one on arroyo seco, that means it would be like only one floor of the pasadena store....which otoh does seem kind of small. but a cozier layout may serve dt better than something larger & more in need of attracting large crowds.

It will be interesting to see how the exiting ralphs is affected....or not...by the opening of other nearby grocery stores. One good thing for shoppers in dt is that greater competition probably will cause each store to be more price sensitive....& I'm looking at you, Whole foods, since their nickname is "whole paycheck".
     
     
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I don't know how it will look, but I assume that the building sizes would remain similar given that this project was approved and entitled. I'm sure that many of us recall that it came so close to breaking ground that construction fencing was installed.
I really like the design......like ID said......the back looks different from the front........its like DT is getting two projects for the price of one. I am less concerned with the height......a cluster of talls is developing around LA Live and I am sure this will contribute.

Last I checked....a few months ago.......hotel occupancy DT was in the high 60s. Ten-fifteen years ago..........it typically was in the 50s. An occupany rate over 65% tends to lead to new construction.
     
     
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Just some cool art going up on Spring that the DTLA facebook page posted. It's the little things that make downtown a better place.
     
     
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a couple small updates...
Figaro has added awnings and some more plants.
The Rialto is boarded up and i think work has started on the Urban Outfitters.
The retail portion of Jia is actually pretty decent in person.
The Velvet Turtle in Chinatown has had green fencing around the site for a couple weeks now. Anyone have an idea of whats planned for that site?
8th and Grand is pretty much done digging. They had 3 straight days of heavy excavation and removal of dirt and it looks like a majority of the site is now as low as its gonna get. I think we will see some concrete in the next couple weeks.

Also, downtown LA new had an article regarding the sports chalet and also mentioned that the 7th street mall is about 70% leased now with new retail leases to be announced in the next couple weeks that will bump occupancy to 85%. Lets see who else is coming!
     
     
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I think you mean Figat7th. "7th Street mall" makes it sound like Macy's Plaza.
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