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Old Posted May 24, 2013, 4:02 PM
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I take your point Harley, but note that I said "full and competitive", not "viable," there's a big difference when you're talking about 747/A380-sized planes, and the disproportionate contribution the last few passengers make to the profitability to any given run.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2013, 5:24 PM
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I, along with numerous others, refuse to bus 2 hours back and forth to YUL. Heck, sometimes Air France/KLM is cheaper and I still pay more for the Air Canada FRA flight just to land home in Ottawa after a long return flight. I think Air France /KLM would be surprised by how many more passengers they could get if they would scrap those 3-4 buses daily for one direct flight from YOW to CDG.
Here's a perfect example of how KL/AF could align with Porter or WJ (with their new DH400) to provide air service from YOW to YUL and onwards with their respective flights to CDG and AMS.

Air Transat offered YOW-Paris (can't remember if it was ORY or CDG??) for one season. It didn't return the next season. Is this a reflection of; A-inefficient publicity or B-low demand? Either way, an established charter airline saw no real benefit to the flight. Does this mean there isn't the demand or does it mean that those who fly into Paris wish to remain loyal to any one airline alliance? I think it's a mix of both.

I think we'll know when this is going to happen when either AC or AF start a seasonal YOW-CDG flight first to test the waters. AC is going to be VERY cautious about this. They really want to protect their LHR and FRA flights. Granted, CDG isn't a big player for connections with regards to Star Alliance.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2013, 5:37 PM
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... waiting on the 787s.


Rouge might also be a way we'd see AC experiment with direct Ottawa-Paris service, "niche point-to-point" is their target for the line, Edinburgh is the only announced example I know of off-hand.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2013, 5:42 PM
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Feel lucky you have two routes to Europe. Edmonton with many more passengers passing through is still fighting for a second European hub.
Luck has nothing to do with it. Full-fare bookings, especially for "executive" class travel, has everything to do with it.

For a long-haul route to be viable an airline must be able to achieve healthy yields up front*. At 7.5-8 hrs block time, the FRA route meets most organizations' travel policy for "executive" class bookings ... including the most prominent "organization" in this town, government.

*An exception is sometimes cargo. An airline can show surprising resilience on a route (read: fly almost empty) if there is a lucrative business for what goes in the belly of its aircraft. That's definitely not the driving factor in Ottawa, though.

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Old Posted May 24, 2013, 6:58 PM
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This is true for my extended family and friends as well (many of whom are frequent travellers).
It's true for me and my family too. I think Air France/KLM executives need to personally experience that bus ride to get a sense of how painful it is, especially on the journey back home.

Like YowItaliano, we also prefer to pay the extra $100-150 to land at YOW when flying to and from Europe.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2013, 7:05 PM
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I dunno, I find the AF/KLM coach compares favourably to transfering via YUL's Aeroquay and a Dash-8-100, which the most commonly available alternative (disclosure, I do generally fly AC transatlantic).

Keep in mind, most air travellers are extremely price sensitive, and while they'll complain about discomfort during and after the fact, they'll still prioritize price over comfort and convenience to a great extent when they buy their next tickets. (if they didn't, far fewer Canadians would drive across a border to fly Allegiant)

So the important question is: are there 250 people just like you, who would pay that extra price, every day, to fly YOW-CDG/AMS/etc. directly? AF/KLM are betting that there isn't.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2013, 7:37 PM
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Groove-e

A first for any Canadian airport.

http://ottawa-airport.ca/corporate/about-us/newsroom

Fresh from it's new resurfacing, 07/25 will undergo modifications to implement grooves on the runway surface.

I'm sure Trans States Airlines (United Express) will be happy to hear this!!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2013, 3:08 AM
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... waiting on the 787s.
ditto. that plane is a game changer for small market point-to-point transit. the whole selling point of the 787 is to eliminate the need for feeders and hubs and open up cities like ottawa to the world!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2013, 1:15 PM
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the trouble i see is, even if/when the 787 gets over these birthing/teething pains (pick your metaphor) there's still a limited supply of them. AC has plans for some new longer-distance routes that weren't possible until now, as well as existing 767's that they want to replace to reduce operating costs, so it might be a long time before there are enough 787s in their fleet for AC to even consider offering a route like YOW-CDG, even if the market were already there, because they just won't have the birds to fly it.

On a related point, does anyone here find the prospects for AC's "low-cost" subsidiary worrisome since it will be starting off with "high-cost" planes like AC's old 767s?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2013, 2:37 PM
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...On a related point, does anyone here find the prospects for AC's "low-cost" subsidiary worrisome since it will be starting off with "high-cost" planes like AC's old 767s?
Older planes; yes. High cost; not so much. Everyone working for Air Canada Rouge has a much lower pay & cost structure than mainline Air Canada. Also, by this winter some of AC's A319s will be transferred to Rouge to fly to Sun destinations and I think by Winter 2014 Rouge will have a lot of the A319s. Unlike other discount airlines that AC has tried (Zip & Tango), I think this one has a chance of working out nicely for them. Plus, instead of flying mainline aircraft with an expensive crew to low-yielding destinations (smaller European & Caribbean markets) now they can make those routes more profitable for them using Rouge.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2013, 2:44 PM
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the trouble i see is, even if/when the 787 gets over these birthing/teething pains (pick your metaphor) there's still a limited supply of them. AC has plans for some new longer-distance routes that weren't possible until now, as well as existing 767's that they want to replace to reduce operating costs, so it might be a long time before there are enough 787s in their fleet for AC to even consider offering a route like YOW-CDG, even if the market were already there, because they just won't have the birds to fly it.
AC has other ideas on their mind with their 787s before any YOW-Europe route. A few routes come to mind that AC would want to implement first:
Montreal - Beirut
Vancouver - Frankfurt (only Lufthansa is on this route)
Calgary - Beijing
Toronto - Seoul / Istanbul / Rio / Buenos Aires

They may even consider a Edmonton - FRA (4 wkly) or Winnipeg - FRA (3 wkly) route too.

Yes, the 787 will open up new markets for AC due to lower costs, but like I've said before the best chance for YOW to get any more international service will be on a carrier other than AC. Specifically AF/KLM.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2013, 9:01 PM
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Here's some information with regards to current and future fleet plans. From the horses' mouth, as it were....

No mention of YOW, YEG, YWG. Not even with Rouge.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/presentations/documents/investor_day_2013.pdf
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 12:44 AM
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This is a bit off a side bar, but does anyone know why a service like Ryanair or Easy Jet hasn't been implemented in Canada? (specifically between Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto).
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 12:56 AM
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This is a bit off a side bar, but does anyone know why a service like Ryanair or Easy Jet hasn't been implemented in Canada? (specifically between Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto).
To a degree, Porter does offer service, except YOW-YUL. I can't imagine many people would look at a service to YUL from YOW. By the time you factor in the time one has to pass security, hang around a bit then fly, one could drive or take the bus/train and arrive downtown..and for a cheaper price. Air Canada flies YOW-YUL, but the vast majority of fliers are transiting to other AC or other airline flights out of YUL.

Low cost airlines exist due to low wages, flying to alternate and less expensive airports and packing as many seats as possible. Low cost has been tried before in Canada (GoJet, CanJet etc) WestJet was touted as a low cost carrier, but even their costs have risen. Plus they are now looking at adding economy plus sections to some or all of their aircraft.

There just isn't the density plus vacation spots within Canada that can justify a full low cost airline. While a single low cost flight may be of interest to some business travelers, there would have to be a lot of frequency to satisfy their travel patterns.

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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 5:22 PM
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I loved flying around Europe with RyanAir and EasyJet for so cheap... went to Milan, Venice, Morocco, Greece, London, Barcelona, Paris etc...
My cheapest ticket was a return flight from Milan, IT to Paris, FR for 18 euros (including taxes and fees)! And my most expensive was a return flight from Milan, IT to Marrakech, Morocco for 90 euros (including taxes and fees). INCREDIBLE!

They should have it in Canada and the US at least.. kinda like with JetBlue in the states.. They say it's because they can't guarantee the volume but I say if the price was right the planes would always be full. Can you imagine like YOW-JFK return for 70$? or YYZ-MIA for 90$ or YVR-LAS for 50$?
Even if the flights (there and back with taxes) were to be from 50-199$ in price range, I'm sure a lot of people would travel by plane!

Not like with our rediculous prices right now where a regular flight from YOW to Winnipeg for example is 800$ -_____-
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 5:40 PM
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I loved flying around Europe with RyanAir and EasyJet for so cheap... went to Milan, Venice, Morocco, Greece, London, Barcelona, Paris etc...
My cheapest ticket was a return flight from Milan, IT to Paris, FR for 18 euros (including taxes and fees)! And my most expensive was a return flight from Milan, IT to Marrakech, Morocco for 90 euros (including taxes and fees). INCREDIBLE!

They should have it in Canada and the US at least.. kinda like with JetBlue in the states.. They say it's because they can't guarantee the volume but I say if the price was right the planes would always be full. Can you imagine like YOW-JFK return for 70$? or YYZ-MIA for 90$ or YVR-LAS for 50$?
Even if the flights (there and back with taxes) were to be from 50-199$ in price range, I'm sure a lot of people would travel by plane!

Not like with our rediculous prices right now where a regular flight from YOW to Winnipeg for example is 800$ -_____-
You are assuming qualified and experienced people will work for peanuts.

You may have indeed been able to fly to those cities, but exactly which airports did you fly in and out from? Ones that were desirable, or ones much further out requiring more expensive transit into the city of choice?

Landing fees at YYZ are still (I think) the most expensive in North America and one of the most expensive in the world. In order to provide those types of prices, any flights in/out of the GTA would have to be from a secondary airport. YHM perhaps? West Jet tried that years ago, setting up their hub at YHM...look at them now...they're at YYZ with the higher fees. Even with cheaper fares than AC, they couldn't make a go of it.

JetsGo. Bankrupt. CanJet, folded to re-launch as a charter carrier. Greyhound Air. Gone. Canada 3000, bankrupt.

Cheap prices exist where cheap labour can be found. Cheap prices exist where there are available cheaper airports and terminals. Cheap prices exist where there is the density.

While AC might charge $800.00 YOW-YWG return, their profit margins are minimal at best. Often at a loss.

Sir Richard Branson, founder of the Virgin Group empire, has a great anecdote for how to become a millionaire: “I’ve always said the easiest way to become a millionaire is to start out as a billionaire and then go into the airline business”.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2013, 9:49 PM
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New Sunwing flight shows confidence in the capital: airport official

Published on August 20, 2013
Elizabeth Howell

Sunwing’s decision to include Ottawa among its new direct flights to Grand Bahama is a sign of confidence in the national capital’s market, airport officials say.

Ottawa International Airport negotiations typically proceed with the officials showing market demand for a particular destination.

The data was not available in this case because this was a new route, said Michael Crockatt, the airport’s vice-president of business development and marketing.

“This one [happened] because Sunwing saw the opportunity here to put together something more than just Ottawa,” Mr. Crockatt said.

Weekly service will be available in Ottawa as well as Montreal, Winnipeg, Halifax and Edmonton starting Jan. 16 and continuing through the winter. Year-round weekly service will also be implemented in Toronto.

Grand Bahama is one of a growing list of sun destinations with direct flights to and from Ottawa. Other destinations include spots in Cuba, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Turks and Caicos and Florida, among other locations.

These flights are from a mix of carriers, Mr. Crockatt said, including Air Canada, WestJet, Air Transat, Sunwing and CanJet.

While the airport always has its eye out for more direct flight opportunities, growth in Ottawa’s passenger flights has been off the pace this year compared to 2012.

Amid flat passenger growth year-over-year in July, the airport’s year-to-date numbers of 2.69 million passengers is three per cent less than that of last year.

“Right now it’s preparing to make sure we’re watching the trends and maintaining those relationships with the airlines,” Mr. Crockatt said. “When the growth is back and strong, we can jump on together with the airlines.”

One possible factor in the slowing passenger growth could be Canadian federal government restrictions on travel amid budgetary concerns, Mr. Crockatt said.

He added the numbers are usually more an indication of general economic confidence among passengers and, in the case of business travel, the entities funding the plane tickets.
http://www.obj.ca/Local/Tourism/2013-08-...nce-in-the-capital%3A-airport-official/1
     
     
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Here's an article from Airport World about our airport. Except for one or two points, it doesn't really say anything new, but it's nice to see our airport getting some press.

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Listening and learning

Written by Evra Taylor

New CEO, Mark Laroche, talks to Evra Taylor about the challenges and opportunities aheadfor Ottawa International Airport.

When most people think of Ottawa, they conjure up images of throngs of happy tourists gazing at row after row of tulips dancing in the wind at the Canadian Tulip Festival and the glide and flow of skaters swishing up and down the Rideau Canal.

But Canada’s Capital Region, long ago granted the grey-tone moniker ‘government town’, is much more than all that.

It is home to Ottawa International Airport, which singles itself out as a major employer and service provider, a hub of domestic and international activity that distinguishes itself in its progressiveness and responsiveness to the expressed needs of its consumers.

In this age of rapid-fire, real-time news and the global sharing of information – which, some say, have in themselves become the goal, rather than the means to an end – many people are asking the question, “Is anybody out there really listening?”

And, just as importantly, “Does customer service still exist?” When it comes to Ottawa International Airport – or to give the gateway its official but seldom used name Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport – the answer is a resounding ‘Yes!’

In March of this year, Mark Laroche took over as CEO from long-serving Paul Benoit, whom Laroche describes as “A high-performance CEO with a high-performance team”.

With big shoes to fill and a long legacy of success at the helm, was Laroche intimidated by the prospect? Not at all, he explains, as he puts a justifiably positive spin on it.

“I’m glad to walk into a situation with a long-term CEO and a mature organisation. Our challenge will be to drive efficiency in an environmentin which our revenues are shrinking, partly as the result of greater diminishing passenger growth than what was anticipated in their long-term planning.”

In parallel with the economic situation of North America in general,Ottawa International Airport (YOW) hasn’t grown this year – somethingthat has not occurred often. Laroche explains: “The federal governmentis Ottawa’s major employer and it’s spending less on travel andother initiatives.”

Less passenger travel overall, increased competition and a reductionin the number of flights, combine to paint a not-so-rosy picture, resultingin two to four percent negative growth for the first six months of 2013.

All that being said, however, Laroche views this with a “throwing downthe gauntlet” attitude, seeing the negativity as an incentive to create a uniquely high-tech yet comfortable airport environment.

“We’re planning for the installation and deployment of a new, state-of-the-art baggage handling system and an updated public address system. We’re also lining up the next phases of airport expansion,” enthuses Laroche.

What all of these measures share in common is their focus on optimising the travel experience, from arrival at the airport through to departure.

“Our automated announcements will now be fully bilingual with previously absent uniformity in terms of quality,” he adds.

Now in the early planning phases of a C$500 million expansion project, part of the airport’s capital development plan is to enlarge and upgrade the facilities, including the addition of seven new gates.

In the most recent expansion of the airport terminal in December 2008, 12 new gates were added, bringing the total to 27.

Ottawa’s airfield has also undergone pioneering reconstruction and enhancement, its newly grooved and improved Runway 07/25 re-openingon August 15.

It is in fact the first major airport in Canada to introduce grooving, which enhances airfield safety by increasing friction for aircraft landing in Ottawa during all types of weather conditions. The initiative – which has been warmly welcomed by pilots – follows a major revamp of Runway 07/25 in 2012, which included the installation of new ILS technology, runway lighting, recontouring and the addition of new Runway End Safety Areas (RESA) that conform to ICAO and FAA standards.

Runway 14/32 will be upgraded next summer. The airport is also renewing its aircraft de-icing pad and introducing a number of other measures for increased safety features on its runways that exceed the Canadian industry standards.

In terms of route development, in the past five years YOW has added numerous new services as a reaction to improving market conditions and demand. They include the addition of a non-stop flight to Frankfurt.

Laroche views route development as a long-term prospect. In addition to maintaining a constant dialogue with the airlines, YOW’s route development staff collaborate with Ottawa Tourism and various Chambers of Commerce to explore possible new destinations. Indeed, studies are currently being done on a possible Ottawa-Asia route.

In 2012, the airport reported impressive rankings in ACI’s Airport Service Quality (ASQ) customer satisfaction programme.

“To get consistently high ASQ scores you have to have the entire airport community working hard to achieve the result, and making customer service a priority has to be within the DNA of the airport.

“We know that it will be a challenge to maintain our high ranking every year,” comments Laroche. “As new airports come on line and as our rankings shift as a result, my focus will remain on improving the customer experience at our airport. We participate in the ASQ because there is value in having something measured.”

Laroche is writing a new story, a new narrative. The end-user – theairport consumer – has always had his attention. Maybe it’s that this isa relatively small facility in a city characterised by its “small-feel”government timbre; maybe it’s the history he was fortunate to inheritfrom his predecessor.

But, it seems most likely that it’s in Laroche’s business nature and sensibilities to react and act concerning needed initiatives, which travellers have vocalised, as well as those he and his staff have dreamt up on their own.

Like the introduction last year of a Starbucks kiosk and an iPad boutique, both in response to an ongoing programme of customer surveys to determine consumers’ needs and wish lists. In fact, if you’re a fan of java, the airport boasts Second Cup and Tim Horton’s franchises, as well.

In addition, a team working under YOW’s vice president for marketing looks at what’s trending in other airports and follows suit where applicable.

“Within reason, we do what customers ask for,” notes Laroche. “We’re never going to be the size of Toronto Pearson as we only handle 4.5 to 5 million passengers per annum, but our retailers have to turn a profit. We have a good balance of business.”

A wine bar and a series of lounges are attractive offerings in the works, reflecting the artier high-end taste of a baby boomer demographic that doesn’t mind shelling out for a bit of atmosphere while moving from here to there.

“Do it with style!” seems to be their retail cry, and Laroche appears more than happy to oblige.

But it’s not just a matter of tricking out the airport. These folks aren’t just in it for themselves. They take the concept of community action to heart, and wear their hearts on their sleeve when it comes to proving their sincerity.

The Plane Pull Challenge and Project Clear Skies are examples of themany charities the Ottawa International Airport supports and, most importantly, Laroche pointed out that even with recent low passenger numbers they have not reduced their financial contribution to the community.

“We’re there in the good time and the bad. We walk the talk,” he says.

From an environmental point of view, the airport has undertaken measures to “green up” its ten-year-old terminal, through reduced lighting, reduced heat during off-periods, and continual energy monitoring.

Laroche reports signs of progress as being the first airport in North America to undertake an innovative glycol management programme that turns glycol into vinegar, proving that glycol can be managed in situ withno impact on waterways.

In fact, this environmental breakthrough has been recognised by ACI-NA in Washington.

Ottawa International Airport has a well-rounded and holistic view of airport management and development that combines the needs and wantsof both regulators and travellers.

The result? An impressive ability to make the statement that even in leaner economic times, positivity reigns supreme and those who wish totake flight to and from the nation’s capital can look forward to, well, just about anything.
http://www.airport-world.com/publications/all-online-articles/item/2967-listening-and-learning
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2013, 3:31 AM
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"Indeed, studies are currently being done on a possible Ottawa-Asia route."

Highly doubt that, I think the best we can do is another European destination with the introduction of the 787's next year or the year after!

We are still losing tons of passenger traffic to YUL, especially on the YUL-CDG route because of the 3 daily flights per day. Air France is so much cheaper compare to Air Canada due to those 3 daily flights to Europe by Air France! Also Air Canada has a daily flight too CDG from YUL!
     
     
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An Ottawa-Asia route is inevitable at some point, I expect it in approximately 5 years. Hong Kong, Shanghai or Beijing served by a 787. That's the whole point of the 787...it reduces the need for a hub-spoke network (Ottawa-Montreal-World or Ottawa-Toronto-World) and makes it economical to serve smaller markets with direct flights. Each of these cities are well within the range of the 787.
     
     
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